And you thought we had problems with Quebec?

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Posted by drgoodvibe on Jan-09-2006 22:10:

And you thought we had problems with Quebec?

Ahhhhhh Catalonia!!!! Any news that refers to this little region deserves attention (Wheres Emery??)

Anyways Catalonia and it's need for autonomy and belief that it has a separate culture etc (not to mention Basque region either).. reminds me a lot of Quebec here. I just found this article kind of interesting.

quote:

Spain Arrests General Over Threat Against Government (Update1)
Jan. 9 (Bloomberg) -- Spanish Defense Minister Jose Bono ordered the arrest of one of Spain's leading generals after the general suggested the army would intervene should the government grant further autonomy to the northern region of Catalonia.

Lieutenant General Jose Mena Aguado, the commander of Spain's army, was placed under house arrest for eight days from Saturday and will be fired at the next meeting of the Spanish cabinet, the Ministry of Defense said in a press release on its Web site.

Mena said in a Jan. 6 speech that a proposed law governing Catalonia's relationship with Spain would have ``serious consequences'' because it threatens the unity of Spain, newspapers including El Pais and El Mundo reported. He said that the military would be obliged to act under Article 8 of the Spanish constitution should the law be approved.

``Let's not forget that we have sworn and promised to follow the constitution and ensure that it is followed,'' El Pais reported Mena as saying. ``For soldiers, any oath or promise is a question of honor.''

Mena's views represent an isolated case within Spain's armed forces, a government survey of troops showed, El Pais reported today, citing unidentified members of the government. Mena said in his speech that his concerns were widely shared by other soldiers that he had spoken to, the paper said.

Catalan Vote

The Catalan regional government voted Sept. 30 last year in favor of a new statute which describes Catalonia as a nation and gives the region greater control over tax collection and its judiciary. The plans must be approved by the national parliament in Madrid before they become law.

Article 8 of the constitution says that the mission of the armed forces is to defend Spain's territorial integrity and constitutional order.

Officers from the Spanish military tried to unseat the government in 1981, three years after the democratic constitution was established. They held lawmakers in the Spanish Parliament at gunpoint and fired shots into the ceiling of the chamber.

The attempted coup failed after King Juan Carlos made a television address denouncing the plotters.

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?...yk&refer=europe

Posted by Pett on Jan-09-2006 22:24:

i miss spain

Posted by Beach420 on Jan-09-2006 23:26:

^^ i wanna go to spain

Posted by dEsidEL on Jan-10-2006 01:25:

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Originally posted by Pettiscool
i miss spain

+1

Posted by Truepioneer on Jan-10-2006 02:13:

I miss Spain

I miss Catalonia

Wow! did those pics come out big lol

Posted by malek on Jan-10-2006 02:17:

this not new, almost every western european country has one or many regions wanting to separate because of a different culture/beliefs.

Posted by dEsidEL on Jan-10-2006 02:20:

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Originally posted by Truepioneer
I miss Spain

I miss Catalonia

when were ur pics taken ? Parc Guell looks packed! was pretty sparsey when i was there.. i love that place, amazing if u like jogging!

Posted by drgoodvibe on Jan-10-2006 02:26:

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Originally posted by malek
this not new, almost every western european country has one or many regions wanting to separate because of a different culture/beliefs.

yes indeed! So it should be no surprise that Quebec feels need for autonomy, a great number of other countries go through the same ordeal.

Posted by drgoodvibe on Jan-10-2006 02:29:

Posted by malek on Jan-10-2006 02:31:

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Originally posted by drgoodvibe
yes indeed! So it should be no surprise that Quebec feels need for autonomy, a great number of other countries go through the same ordeal.

that would mean for english canadians to step on their pride... no can do.

its funny to know that even their mother country (England) gave almost complete autonomy to the Scotts, including their own sports teams and representation to international organizations.

Posted by drgoodvibe on Jan-10-2006 02:32:

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Originally posted by malek
that would mean for english canadians to step on their pride... no can do.

its funny to know that even their mother country (England) gave almost complete autonomy to the Scotts, including their own sports teams and representation to international organizations.

What about Northern Ireland?

Posted by dEsidEL on Jan-10-2006 02:41:

Posted by malek on Jan-10-2006 02:45:

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Originally posted by drgoodvibe
What about Northern Ireland?

all i know, is that Ireland is treating north ireland as one of its own territories. And the UK is treating it as one of its provinces... its a bit complex and i don't know much about it

Posted by Truepioneer on Jan-11-2006 01:44:

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Originally posted by dEsidEL

when were ur pics taken ? Parc Guell looks packed! was pretty sparsey when i was there.. i love that place, amazing if u like jogging!

Those pics were taken on a very humid late-July day. Right in the high peak of tourist season.

Posted by SPANIARD on Jan-11-2006 02:19:

*yawn at topic*

Sorry, it's just Spanish politics can be summed up as a never ending highway to a bottomless pit 99% of the time and too often people think the politicians views represent the attitude of the people.

Bahh, I've already said too much.