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If you are in the UK be aware!!!

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/4609378.stm

Re: If you are in the UK be aware!!!

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Originally posted by Diginerd http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/4609378.stm

Wow, that's pretty hard core!

wat a bunch of twat.

they expect us to pay for our digital downloads (which is fair obviously) then expect us to pay an additional fee to play it live.. thats the whole point why we bought the damn music - to play it live!

isnt it sad that you cant even play music out to a crowd of people even though you have paid for it?? the way this world works today

this was in mixmag recently. i read further into it, and it gets so bad that not only do you have to pay for this, then you need to register all of your tracks on their database thingy and you can only download tracks from there.

also - your not allowed to save recordings of when these tunes have been mixed together. meaning - no mix cd's

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Originally posted by Basstard wat a bunch of twat. they expect us to pay for our digital downloads (which is fair obviously) then expect us to pay an additional fee to play it live.. thats the whole point why we bought the damn music - to play it live!

Yeah and on top of that the venue also needs an entertainments licence and a licence to play original copyrighted materials. Both also from PPL

money money money

that's terrible... those starving pieces of shit are double dipping.

they want you to pay to buy the track, then pay to play it... i don't get it.

i don't know how it is in england, but here in the US. electronic music HAS ALWAYS BEEN DJ MUSIC, it was always meant to be played in clubs by dj's. all these sites that offer tracks like beatport, djdownload, etc advertise themselves to dj's. for the most part we're their only customers... both beatport and dancetracks specifically state that when you download from them, you have the same rights you would have if you bought the actual record. what they are doing over there is absolutely rediculous.

this whole digital file swapping, illegal this, illegal that, piracy argument is old hat. they really need to come up w/new shit, because they are just using the same argument time and time again. when the first tape deck w/a record button came out, they cried bloody murder... people can make copies of vinyl, all people will do is steal, steal, steal, we will loose zillions of dollars, along w/our houses, our yahts, our cars, and our drugs to piracy.

they said the same thing w/vcr's came out w/a record button came out.

they said the same thing when the first stand alone cd recorder came out.

they fucked up consumer dats because of this.

they said the same thing about cd/dvd burners.

of course piracy is a problem. it's part of cost of doing business. you just can't squeeze revenue out of every potential constomer. if you can't handle the cost of doing business (precieved or actual), then you should consder getting out of this one, and into another that has less risk involved (precieved or actual), and more money.

maybe those crybabies should go into the auto industry. i don't see anyone selling bootleg ford festivas, much less bootleg m3s, and slk's. they wouldn't have to tell people what they can or can cannot do w/their cars. they can spend less time crying, and more time making money. sell car, make money. why are they still here, i don't know.


i say we all go on strike to show solidarity for our brit comrades.

we should all cancell our gigs this weekend, and not buy music for a little bit. let's see if the can world turn w/out us.

i don't see the logic behind double dipping, and screwing your customer base. -the ones who do their part in keeping the circle of trust alive by putting money in your pocket in the first place.

I may be wrong, but:

If you get this PPL license, does this give you permission to play downloaded mp3's that you didn't purchase?

If the government had its way their would be no drinking, no speeding, no internet, no music etc

Edit: that goes for anyones government (not criticizing my mates in the UK love you guys [non chavs]

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Originally posted by sr126 maybe those crybabies should go into the auto industry. i don't see anyone selling bootleg ford festivas,

Actually there is a car that has been manufactured in China which is an exact copy of an American car (chevy I think). It is so exaact that the doors off one will fit perfectly onto the other.
Bootleg cars.... who'd of thought

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Originally posted by spike_boy69 also - your not allowed to save recordings of when these tunes have been mixed together. meaning - no mix cd's

now thats proper fucked up. So that means no handing out mix cds?!

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Originally posted by skot_e Actually there is a car that has been manufactured in China which is an exact copy of an American car (chevy I think). It is so exaact that the doors off one will fit perfectly onto the other. Bootleg cars.... who'd of thought

some jap company copies honda bikes exactly. you can use honda parts because all the fittings/bolt sizes etc are the same!

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Originally posted by trancecadet now thats proper fucked up. So that means no handing out mix cds?!

But that's always been the law!!

As it's always been illegal to make a digital copy of a track, which is what this license is all about... actually allowing DJs to do these things... And remember the license is about what you're allowed to COPY, not what you're allowed to play out (although anything you play out has to have been copied legally)

Don't get me wrong, I think the system they're using is absolutely ridiculous, but THEY HAVEN'T MADE ANYTHING ILLEGAL THAT WASN'T ALREADY.

And most digital download sites say that you can make one CD copy of the track, which is then legal to play out (but it varies so check T&Cs)... so really you're only getting stung if you play off a laptop or the site you got your tunes from doesn't allow a CD copy to be made.

Here's a quote taken straight from the Beatport T&Cs stating that it IS legal to play their tracks out from CD adn the new license doesn't change this:

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Can I DJ with files purchased from Beatport? This can only be answered on a territorial basis. In the United States and UK, the Answer is YES, buying a track from Beatport is just like buying a record from the record store. The same legal implications are in effect. However, certain Territories have different restrictions regarding the legality of playing Digital Music files. We suggest you visit the website of your local publishing / mechanicals service to get a more detailed answer. We also recommend that you keep a copy of your order receipts with your music to prove that you have purchased your music legally. Beatport has taken the time to create agreements with all labels involved with our site and provide you with digital, legal alternatives to the music you may have purchased on record previously.

Trackitdown, however, have this in their T&Cs:

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Limitations of Usage & Copyright. This service is for personal use only. You may not copy, reproduce, modify, rent, lease, broadcast, download, transmit, distribute or otherwise disseminate any content contained on the Site except for your own personal, non commercial use.

which suggests that the opposite is true for them (although with a digital DJ licence you WOULD be able to)... although Audiojelly also says this but also states that you can burn a CD copy, which under a venue's public performance license you WOULD be able to play out - this is kinda along the same lines as "unauthorised public performance prohibited" being written on vinyl records even though the license the venue has authorises it (thus making it legal).

It says in that article that if we just use vinyl then we don't have to pay the �200 right? But it also says on a lot of my vinyl "The public performance of this record is prohibited"... so... what? Its illegal to play downloaded files in a club, unless you pay �200, and its illegal to play vinyl... but you don't have to pay the �200...

The whole system is f**ked, especially because everyone I know who's ever mixed at a club has only been payed in drinks during the night... hardly enough to warrant forking out �200 pa.

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Originally posted by nrjizer I may be wrong, but: If you get this PPL license, does this give you permission to play downloaded mp3's that you didn't purchase?

no it doesnt give a green light to illegal downloading.

As i understand it this only affects people that play there tracks of their laptop if u play tracks on cd u dont need the license

I want to ask that too about the vinyl warning? Why is that displayed on so many vinyls, does it actually mean anything???

I first noticed it on an ID&T Vinyl in bold letters but ive checked and quite a few say that about playing it at live "public performances" WTF

pretty much all recorded music that is sold has this legal stuff printed on it.

the artist/label pretty much reserves the right to enforce that clause.

kind like at some stores/restaurants will have a sign that says "we reserve the right to refuse service to anyone." -just because they say they can doesn't mean they will.

it's there to provide the artist/label leverage in court if some sort of dispute went down. it does't mean that they are going to screw you every chance they get, or that should watch your back or anything.

it's no sceret that edm is printed on vinyl for dj's to play at parties. that's the reason why print vinyl in the first place. to be played out in public, to expose the music.

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Originally posted by Stu Cox But that's always been the law!! As it's always been illegal to make a digital copy of a track, which is what this license is all about... actually allowing DJs to do these things... And remember the license is about what you're allowed to COPY, not what you're allowed to play out (although anything you play out has to have been copied legally) Don't get me wrong, I think the system they're using is absolutely ridiculous, but THEY HAVEN'T MADE ANYTHING ILLEGAL THAT WASN'T ALREADY. And most digital download sites say that you can make one CD copy of the track, which is then legal to play out (but it varies so check T&Cs)... so really you're only getting stung if you play off a laptop or the site you got your tunes from doesn't allow a CD copy to be made. Here's a quote taken straight from the Beatport T&Cs stating that it IS legal to play their tracks out from CD adn the new license doesn't change this: Trackitdown, however, have this in their T&Cs: which suggests that the opposite is true for them (although with a digital DJ licence you WOULD be able to)... although Audiojelly also says this but also states that you can burn a CD copy, which under a venue's public performance license you WOULD be able to play out - this is kinda along the same lines as "unauthorised public performance prohibited" being written on vinyl records even though the license the venue has authorises it (thus making it legal).

It may be illegal to make a copy of a track (it isn't in the US because of fair use, and i believe fair use type ammendments to copyright law were just passed in Australia) but if you purchase something from beatport i would hardly view that as copying, and i doubt if tested in a court of law they would rule it copying either.

So basically whats stopping you using beatport or a simmilar service and avoiding this license alltogether? if you arent copying anything you arent breaking the law, nightclubs have a license that allows them to perform copyright works, surely this covers music in any format.

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