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new dance music website : writers & editors needed

Im hoping to launch a news dance music website by the end of next week. This site aims to be the ultimate portal between all genres of dance music.

Content is the definitive requirement for any website and thats where we want you to come in.

If you fancy being a news writer, contributing articles, moderating a forum or adding links to our dance music directory please get in touch.

At the moment i cannot offer any cash rewards but im sure there will eventually be benefits for this and those who contribute will of course be the first to be rewarded.

If you have an interest in any of the foloowing genres (or feel there should be another included in this list, please sontact me)

ACID
HARDCORE
HOUSE
JUNGLE
TECHNO
TRANCE

Thanks

Jon

What do you have envisioned for this website exactly? I guess I'm curious exactly what you mean by "definitive portal between multiple genres".

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Originally posted by IntegraR0064 What do you have envisioned for this website exactly?

Not much, I think, if he's searching for staff a week before it goes online...

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Originally posted by Mr.Mystery Not much, I think, if he's searching for staff a week before it goes online...

Well, I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt in that the staff he's looking for aren't necessary for the website to function.

The site is coming along quicker than expected. It certainly wont be "finished" within a week, but i hope it will be at a stage when people can start visiting, joining up, starting discussions and generally contributing to the site.

So far i have been pleased with the interest shown and hopefully this time next week i can start trying to get members.

I work as a professional web designer and this is just a hobby i have started up as i cant find anything like it.

What sort of articles would you be interested in for the site?


give us writers a breakdown on what you have in mind.

You know, your opening post describes everything that TranceCritic is expanding towards. You should talk to my boss, it sounds like you have the same ambitions. Hell, his name is Jon too.

Your website will not get off the ground and will be abandoned within two years time.

Kent brough this thread to my attention. I'm surprized that you didn't really lay out exactly what you wanted to do in more detail and kinda just "winged it".

I did a little digging and I the found the original thread post at DI that I posted to start recruiting for a similiar idea. Nothing is as it as it seems and your no better then the talented people you can bring on board. I was lucky enough, and still am lucky, to have a great bunch of people on my staff.

Here is my original post @ DI in May of 2004.

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Hello everyone. Let me introduce myself, my name is Jon M and I live in NJ, USA. The reason for this post is that I want to start something along the lines of a Trance/Techno review website. I�m looking for people to help me make this happen and I�m hoping a few will come out from the crowd to volunteer their efforts to create something new.

I would like to say that I hope no one takes this as some sort of spam; I like to listen to DI.FM all the time and I�m a big fan of Trance in general, obviously.

My ideas runs along the lines of writing reviews about new releases in trance all over the world and log them in an archive which can be searched by our visitors later. In doing so we will be able to give our viewers a wealth of information about artists, songs, and some history of this kind of music.

I would also like to provide News about special events around the world and on the world wide web, such as a guest appearance by a big shot DJ on DI.FM, or something as DJ Dean releasing another installment of his popular Tunnel Trance Force albums.

I would like to establish that I currently own the domain www.***************** and am willing to fund the hosting payments each month. As this website builds up traffic and generates revenue, I have a few plans on that, staff will get some money on a first come first serve basis. Eventually I would like to turn this endeavor into a small internet business if possible.

As of right now these are the kind of people I am looking for:

Writers - Clever with words and are able to express a song without words into words.

News Men/Women - Able to come by and report special events, album releases, and any other type of news that may be of interest to the Trance community in a concise manner.

Webmasters - Able to construct a website that is able to suit the needs of our visitors and staff. Also able to archive any articles in an organized fashion. Must work well with Graphic Artists.

Graphic Artists - Use your imagination to create images of TranceCritic and any other type of "department" of the TranceCritic website. Must work well with Webmasters.

So far this is what I can think of, if anyone has any input then please by all means, express yourself.

I'm hoping at least a few people are willing to go on this journey and possibly create something that will push the limits of this music in time. Anyone interested please e-mail me at [email protected] and type TranceCritic in the subject line.

Thank you for your time,
Jon M

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Ah man, just re-reading that is bringing back memories and also makes me appreciate how far i've come, personally, in that time. As a whole we've also made some great strides to do what we originally set out to do. To be honest we still haven't made much money so noone has been "compensated". Jon, not me but the guy who started this post, I would rethink about starting from scratch in trying to create yet another EDM related website. The market is saturated as it is and Ishkur was right when he said you would not survive 2 years. I thought he was being generious. I'm not downplaying that you have the skill to make it happen, i'm just saying that with no money and no talented staff on board it is going to be extremely difficult to be successful.

I guess I can type up a little something on how things have changed over the last 2 years or so. Reviews are still our bread and butter, but now we are looking into getting into other areas besides solely reviews. In this day and age a website will have a hard time surviving if it just did one thing, even one thing very well. Therefore you can expect TranceCritic.com to start to shift over into articles, news, artist interviews, and a few other tricks that i'm not going to devulge into at this time.

One thing i've learned is that things never ever work out how you want them to. Plans always get fucked up and people try to fuck you. Theres a lot of fucking going on so make sure you can handle it, no not that kind of fucking.

If your interested I do have a proposal for you. You seem to have entrepreneurial tendencies about you, and I like that. As strange as it may seem you need more then just one entrepreneur in a company, or in our case a small website, to keep things fresh and keep certain segments in order. You said you specifically are looking into news, I am looking for a Lead News Editor, seems like a good match. Let me list some of the responsabilities of the position for you to understand whats required.

Management.

Your going to have to be able to manage a small team of reports to cover a series of news topics. You may also have to work with other 'departments', like the writing team for example, or maybe you'll need a graphic from the web team to compliment one of the articles. You are also responsable for recruiting your own team members.

Content.

Obviously your going to need to know what your talking about. You can't have the lead news guy going on and on about something that he does not know anything about. You are also going to want to be able to over see the submissions of other reporters and make sure their content is legit.

Being able to conduct team meetings and grow your team is essential to the long term development of the website as a whole. Also being able to provide different types of content will throw in the variety needed to be a pleasent place to get your EDM news.

Thats just a quick 1-2-3 of what it takes, I dont want to waste my time going into more detail if your not at all interested anyway. Well, i've been rambling but I wish you the best of luck in whatever path you decide to take.

-Jon

Something i've just picked up now. You said you are a professional web designer, does that include programing like php?

yes this includes php and a little asp along with sql and the usual markup languages

im not sure if that comment was about my site (which clearly nobody has seen yet or the site mentioned above)

if it was regarding my proposal then i can happily ignore that comment.

just imagine, trance addict forum + active content / reviews / polls / links / dance music directory and most importantly, one click away from the house / acid / harcore / techno / jungle alternatove versions.

plus hopefully a member run radio station.

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Originally posted by Nou lol competition eh...

Not competition, because I don't care. No one does any of the stuff I do. And besides, I bury all comers anyway.

99% of the sites listed here don't exist anymore. And the rest haven't been updated in so long they might as well not exist.

I remember getting into a gigantic email fight with the owner of ravernews.com over it. I told him he'll be defunct in under a year. He said he had too much enthusiasm to give it up. That's all fine and dandy, but enthusiasm alone doesn't run websites.

The average lifespan of any website is about 2 years. At that point they've either gotten over the novelty of publishing stuff on the web or they're not getting the attention/returns they thought they would (or think they deserve), and so they give up.

Without a concrete, working project plan and business model like what Jon just sketched out above, your site will go nowhere, will be visited by no one, and in a year's time you won't care about it anymore.

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Originally posted by DreamTitan As of right now these are the kind of people I am looking for: Writers - Clever with words and are able to express a song without words into words.

Jon- Actually, I'm very impressed with the amount of thought and planning that you're putting into trancecritic.com. Most people don't take things that seriously and/or plan out their site in that sort of way (A.K.A. the starter of this thread, it seems).

Are you still looking for reviewers? I checked out your website, and it seems great, but a bit sparse in the reviews. If you are still looking, I'd like to throw a sample review together for you.

Let me know.

-Jon (P.S. there are way too many Jons in this thread )

i agree with ^^^, this is a brain dead plan if ever i heard one, what makes you think your site will be better than established sites like progsounds??

i can predict a half-hearted effort with shitty grapics. the site wont be updated after the first month

Oh, and pay your writers. I don't care if you don't have a budget or you spent it on hooker and blow, PAY THEM. Even if it's a pittance. Every writer that works for free is undercutting the entire profession when they do so, hurting everybody.

We're getting to the point now where anyone can produce a website, but not anyone can produce good content for a website, which is what makes websites good. You want your dream to work, hire professional writers.

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Originally posted by Ishkur Oh, and pay your writers. I don't care if you don't have a budget or you spent it on hooker and blow, PAY THEM. Even if it's a pittance. Every writer that works for free is undercutting the entire profession when they do so, hurting everybody.

Yeah.

its not as easy as you think...

look at this site...

http://www.electronica-central.com

it worked out for a lil while, prob couse of a few inteviews and cool videos & thats the only reason why anyone went there. i had to spam some videos on tranceaddict.

if people are gonna visit this site, u better spend money on staff. as for inteviews... u better get allot of them to make your site enjoyable.

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Originally posted by IntegraR0064 Jon- Actually, I'm very impressed with the amount of thought and planning that you're putting into trancecritic.com. Most people don't take things that seriously and/or plan out their site in that sort of way (A.K.A. the starter of this thread, it seems). Are you still looking for reviewers? I checked out your website, and it seems great, but a bit sparse in the reviews. If you are still looking, I'd like to throw a sample review together for you. Let me know. -Jon (P.S. there are way too many Jons in this thread )

Sure thing, Jon.

Actually, I'm not 'in charge' of recruiting new writers. Thats is in the hands of the Lead Review Editor, Sykonee. I'll refer him to this thread and you. Of course he doesn't make the decision jointly, we do it together when it comes to writers. In the meantime look at this thread.

http://www.trancecritic.com/modules...=viewtopic&t=45

To get a better idea of whats expected of reviewers, you can have a email or live chat Q & A with Sykonee and then we'll take it from there.

Oh, and btw, if your check out the homepage, http://www.TranceCritic.com you noticed that we just built a brand new server to help with operations and growth. So we can deffinitly handle a greater amount of staff on the writing team. It's like our flagship item!

-Jon M

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Originally posted by Ishkur Oh, and pay your writers. I don't care if you don't have a budget or you spent it on hooker and blow, PAY THEM. Even if it's a pittance. Every writer that works for free is undercutting the entire profession when they do so, hurting everybody.

Shut up Ishkur! I dont want a rebellion at Tc!

Even so, I know that my guys know that if we even hit it big that they will be taken cared of. I owe them all much more then that.

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Originally posted by DreamTitan Shut up Ishkur! I dont want a rebellion at Tc! Even so, I know that my guys know that if we even hit it big that they will be taken cared of. I owe them all much more then that.

Money cannot tempt me.

Short haired blondes in black latex, though...

Im not quite sure what to make of these comments. Its amazing how people can write off a project they have never seen and know so little about.

At a professional level of course it is understandable that writers should be paid but the dance music industry relies on passion for the music as much as anything else. Those who are really enthusuastic about the dance scene get enjoyment from letting others know what is going on.

Im afraid it will be a case of wait and see and hopefully next weekend i will be going live.

If you dont like what you see then, fair enough, but theres no benefit in shooting down a project that has not even taken off.

I could write out a business plan for you in this forum but i dont believe the people im after are interested in a business plan.

my offer is a simple one, if you want to get involved in an up and coming project, with what is really a no risk proposal, then Id be more than happy to let you get involved.

The site aims to help promote upcoming djs, producers, writers and anyone else involved in the dance scene.

Plans for a user run radio show only emphasise this, however it is something that simply is not possible to launch in the current situation.

Regards
Jon

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Originally posted by TranceSpeeder its not as easy as you think... look at this site... http://www.electronica-central.com it worked out for a lil while, prob couse of a few inteviews and cool videos & thats the only reason why anyone went there. i had to spam some videos on tranceaddict. if people are gonna visit this site, u better spend money on staff. as for inteviews... u better get allot of them to make your site enjoyable.

same as www.trance-inc.com for another one


Having worked for over 3 years on ivibes.nu I know the rigors that come with doing work, trying to make the content good & informative, finding good staff who're willing to work hard & so on, and it's not as easy as some people think. We've done it to a good level, but the forum is dead. Trance.nu also work well, but the fact is, the more people who try, the more watered down things become. I've had to recently stop doing my writing, and don't get me wrong, I love it to bits, but anyone who thinks running websites like this are easy really don't know what they're getting into.

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Originally posted by thesylph005 Its amazing how people can write off a project they have never seen and know so little about.

Actually, we know more about it than you do because we've already done it, and we can write off your attempts at it because experience and probability statistics largely agree with our assessment of your plan.

If you want to prove us wrong, go right ahead, but know this: it is an uphill battle, keeping and maintaining the thing is in itself a full-time job, and it will be at least 18 months before you see any kind of sizable return for your work.

It is worse than a business plan. It's not even a hobby. At least with a hobby you have something to show for it.

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Originally posted by Ishkur Your website will not get off the ground and will be abandoned within two years time.

haha, the know it all has spoken.

>JM<

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