anyone recon vangard limits productivity?

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Posted by richg101 on Jan-30-2006 14:30:

anyone recon vangard limits productivity?

hey guys.

what you recon about this?

i find myself sometimes using vangard and it makes my tracks sound really generic. im sure loads of synths have the same affect in making software users sound like they are trying to copy big name producers.

i have started to wonder if it is possible to make a completely new sound anymore.

what you guys think?

Posted by Chronosis on Jan-30-2006 14:49:

I'd say play around with different synthesis methods. It's difficult to make new synth sounds using subtractive synthesis, cause that's clearly most used and most easy to program. With FM/vector/wavetable -synths, you're sure to get less generic sounds. Another thing is just not to use synths so much, but acoustic samples instead.

Posted by Icone on Jan-30-2006 15:11:

I'm not really using Vanguard much myself, since I am not a really big fan of its sound(s)...

Though perhaps using different synths can help? I mean, to really 'switch' to other VSTi's for a while?

Posted by Aquascape on Jan-30-2006 16:10:

Three threads, where one would have been enough

Vanguard has a strong, if a tad amateurish sound. I also think it's 'Trancegate' function borders on gimmicky. It's okay, but I think I'll always find a better synth to spend my money on.

Posted by Icone on Jan-30-2006 23:52:

I don't think it's a synth by itself that has an amateurish sound, it doesn't make sounds by itself - it's the person behind it that makes it "sound" the way it is

Old discussion I know, though I think it's true.

Posted by armanivespucci on Jan-30-2006 23:57:

Re: anyone recon vangard limits productivity?

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Originally posted by richg101
hey guys.

what you recon about this?

i find myself sometimes using vangard and it makes my tracks sound really generic. im sure loads of synths have the same affect in making software users sound like they are trying to copy big name producers.

i have started to wonder if it is possible to make a completely new sound anymore.

what you guys think?

Of course you can make a completely new sound. There is too much that hasn't been done...

Vanguard is aimed at more classic sounds, though.

Posted by Axolotyl on Jan-31-2006 00:10:

Re: Re: anyone recon vangard limits productivity?

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Originally posted by armanivespucci

Vanguard is aimed at more classic sounds, though.

Yeah, in just the way that the TB303 was aimed at bass guitars

Posted by armanivespucci on Jan-31-2006 00:16:

Re: Re: Re: anyone recon vangard limits productivity?

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Originally posted by Axolotyl
Yeah, in just the way that the TB303 was aimed at bass guitars

Come come. It's not THAT bad. It makes a decent mid-bass.

Posted by Axolotyl on Jan-31-2006 00:24:

The Vanguard or the TB

I meant if they were trying to make it for classic sounds (analogue) then they completely missed the mark (just like the 303). It is however excellent at doing its own wierd fx style leads and lfo madness. Yes, good for mid basses too! Compress it up and it sounds really nice and pumped.

Vanguard will definately become a classic in its own right I think.

Posted by RickyM on Jan-31-2006 00:35:

Vanguard is great, fuck about with the 3 osc and you will get some pretty neat twinkly sounds, I think I've used it in nearly every production since I have aquired it. The factory presets are quite recognisable though, Ill admit that .

Posted by RickyM on Jan-31-2006 00:36:

Posted by mzvirbulis on Feb-01-2006 05:49:

i think what has to happen now is more of none of this type of repetitve sound! it needs to have synth methods that modulate the whole sound over time. the sounds need to be complex. i think sound design will be taken into more detail rather than just taking a patch. like i think a better method of sound generarion in the futre is like morphing patches into each other, or like have a sequencer just for your sound patch.

i dont know, but there will be some new innovations thats for sure!

cheers

Posted by wrzonance on Feb-01-2006 14:50:

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Originally posted by dj_palm
the vanguard is good but many people dont twist it and mostly use finished presets which ive heard many times before. caus ive used them myself. but theres something i dont like in the vanguard, especialy when making a baseline with it; it sounds abit unstabile? anyone agrees? it kinda jumps from right to left and up and down in volume a bit. sounds almost nervous like? maybe its just me but i feel that way. i used it thru ableton.

Yea, people admit to guilt with presets. But I can honestly say the only time i've used a preset is for a starting block. Then I tweaked it.

As for unstable? Yea. I would say that the filter cutoff anyway in Vanguard is particularly weak at the low spectrum at points, the 24db roll off can stress quite a lot.

For ME anyway when I make an interesting bass to mid-bass filter sweep with Vanguard i get some pops and clicks.

Oh well. Like ax said earlier, it will be a classic in it's own right.

Posted by The Drow on Feb-03-2006 10:08:

I use vangaurd in all of my tracks.
In fact it's my most used synth.
I make great sounds with it and I'm not sure what you are talking about.
I mostly don't use presets, and if I do then I tweak them a lot.

Omer.