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Posted by Angx on Feb-03-2006 14:17:

Hamas - Post article

A friend of mine forwarded me this. Thoughts?


What Hamas Is Seeking

By Mousa Abu Marzook

Tuesday, January 31, 2006; Page A17

DAMASCUS, Syria -- A new era in the struggle for Palestinian liberation is upon us. Through historic fair and free elections, the Palestinian people have spoken.

Accordingly, America's long-standing tradition of supporting the oppressed's rights to self-determination should not waver. The United States, the European Union and the rest of the world should welcome the unfolding of the democratic process, and the commitment to aid should not falter. Last week's victory of the Change and Reform Party in the Palestinian legislative elections signals a new hope for an occupied people.

The results of these elections reflect a need for change from the corruption and intransigence of the past government. Since its creation 10 years ago, the Palestinian Legislative Council has been unsuccessful in addressing the needs of the people. As the occupation solidified its grip under the auspices of "peace agreements," quality of life deteriorated for Palestinians in the occupied territories. Poverty levels soared, unemployment rates reached uncharted heights and the lack of basic security approached unbearable depths. A grass-roots alternative grew out of the urgency of this situation. Through its legacy of social work and involvement in the needs of the Palestinian people, the Islamic Resistance Movement (Hamas) flourished as a positive social force striving for the welfare of all Palestinians. Alleviating the debilitative conditions of occupation, and not an Islamic state, is at the heart of our mandate (with reform and change as its lifeblood).

Despite the pressures of occupation and corrupt self-rule, Palestinian civil society has demonstrated its resilience in the face of repressive conditions. Social institutions can now be given new life under a reformed government that embraces the empowerment of the people, facilitates freedoms and protects civil rights.

Our society has always celebrated pluralism in keeping with the unique history and traditions of the Holy Land. In recognizing Judeo-Christian traditions, Muslims nobly vie for and have the greatest incentive and stake in preserving the Holy Land for all three Abrahamic faiths. In addition, fair governance demands that the Palestinian nation be represented in a pluralistic environment. A new breed of Islamic leadership is ready to put into practice faith-based principles in a setting of tolerance and unity.

In that vein, Hamas has pledged transparency in government. Honest leadership will result from the accountability of its public servants. Hamas has elected 15 female legislators poised to play a significant role in public life. The movement has forged genuine and lasting relationships with Christian candidates.

As we embark on a new phase in the struggle to liberate Palestine, we recognize the recent elections as a vote against the failures of the current process. A new "road map" is needed to lead us away from the path of checkpoints and walls and onto the path of freedom and justice. The past decade's "peace process" has led to a dramatic rise in the expansion of illegal settlements and land confiscation. The realities of occupation include humiliating checkpoints, home demolitions, open-ended administrative detentions, extrajudicial killings and thousands of dead civilians.

The Islamic Resistance Movement was elected to protect the Palestinians from the abuses of occupation, based on its history of sacrifice for the cause of liberty. It would be a mistake to view the collective will of the Palestinian people in electing Hamas in fair and free elections under occupation as a threat. For meaningful dialogue to occur there should be no prejudgments or preconditions. And we do desire dialogue. The terms of the dialogue should be premised on justice, mutual respect and integrity of the parties.

As the Israelis value their own security, Palestinians are entitled to their fundamental rights to live in dignity and security. We ask them to reflect on the peace that our peoples once enjoyed and the protection that Muslims gave the Jewish community worldwide. We will exert good-faith efforts to remove the bitterness that Israel's occupation has succeeded in creating, alienating a generation of Palestinians. We call on them not to condemn posterity to endless bloodshed and a conflict in which dominance is illusory. There must come a day when we will live together, side by side once again.

The failed policies of the U.S. administration are the result of the inherent contradiction in its position as Israel's strongest ally and an "honest broker" in the conflict. World nations have condemned the brutal Israeli occupation. For the sake of peace, the United States must abandon its position of isolation and join the rest of the world in calling for an end to the occupation, assuring the Palestinians their right to self-determination.

We appeal to the American people's sense of fairness to judge this conflict in light of the great thoughts, principles and ideals you hold dear in the Declaration of Independence, the Constitution and the democracy you have built. It is not unreasonable to expect America to practice abroad what it preaches at home. We can but sincerely hope that you use your honest judgment and the blessings of ascendancy God has given you to demand an end to the occupation. Meaningful democracy cannot flourish as long as an external force maintains the balance of power. It is the right of all people to pursue their own destiny.

The writer is deputy political bureau chief of the Islamic Resistance Movement (Hamas). He has a U.S. doctorate in engineering and was indicted in the United States in 2004 as a co-conspirator on racketeering and money-laundering charges in connection with activities on behalf of Hamas dating to the early 1990s, before the organization was placed on the list of terrorist groups. He was deported to Jordan in 1997.


Posted by emc^2 on Feb-03-2006 17:09:

What is a Paliestine???? Oh, you mean that peice of land that belongs to Israel and was unlawfully occupied by bunch of Jordanians, Iranians, Egyptians, Syrians, and other arabs that were otherwise arabian gypsies and called themselves "Palestinians"???

http://www.sullivan-county.com/id2/palestine.htm
quote:

The Palestinian people does not exist. The creation of a Palestinian state is only a means for continuing our struggle against the state of Israel for our Arab unity. In reality today there is no difference between Jordanians, Palestinians, Syrians and Lebanese. Only for political and tactical reasons do we speak today about the existence of a Palestinian people, since Arab national interests demand that we posit the existence of a distinct 'Palestinian people' to oppose Zionism.
"For tactical reasons, Jordan, which is a sovereign state with defined borders, cannot raise claims to Haifa and Jaffa. While as a Palestinian, I can undoubtedly demand Haifa, Jaffa, Beer-Sheva and Jerusalem. However, the moment we reclaim our right to all of Palestine, we will not wait even a minute to unite Palestine and Jordan." (PLO executive committee member Zahir Muhsein, March 31, 1977, interview with the Dutch newspaper Trouw.)


This will probably end up in Israel/Palestine thread but anyway. My head is about to explode reading this trashy crap. It is full of lies, blatant bullshit and dressing up a smelly coyote in sheep's skin. Hamas is a terrrorist organization with its primary purpose being the destruction of the state of Israel. Everything else they do is within the confines of "means to the end" - including all the political and humanitarian activities. You cannot win support without doing these things. Once you have the support you can proceed with your agenda, having the mass behind you.

Make no mistake about it - the #1 goal of Hamas is not welfare of its people. It is welfare of its people on Israeli soil with all jews gone. All the trite drivel about acceptance of other religions can only be demonstrated by examining other Arab nations. Please name a single Arab nation where you can find a Sinagogue or Church.

Here's a so-called moderate country (Saudi Arabia) example for you:
quote:
Five East Africans arrested and detained for a month for leading a private Christian worship service in Riyadh

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1430851/posts


Posted by Angx on Feb-03-2006 18:38:

quote:
Originally posted by emc^2
What is a Paliestine???? Oh, you mean that peice of land that belongs to Israel and was unlawfully occupied by bunch of Jordanians, Iranians, Egyptians, Syrians, and other arabs that were otherwise arabian gypsies and called themselves "Palestinians"???

http://www.sullivan-county.com/id2/palestine.htm


This will probably end up in Israel/Palestine thread but anyway. My head is about to explode reading this trashy crap. It is full of lies, blatant bullshit and dressing up a smelly coyote in sheep's skin. Hamas is a terrrorist organization with its primary purpose being the destruction of the state of Israel. Everything else they do is within the confines of "means to the end" - including all the political and humanitarian activities. You cannot win support without doing these things. Once you have the support you can proceed with your agenda, having the mass behind you.

Make no mistake about it - the #1 goal of Hamas is not welfare of its people. It is welfare of its people on Israeli soil with all jews gone. All the trite drivel about acceptance of other religions can only be demonstrated by examining other Arab nations. Please name a single Arab nation where you can find a Sinagogue or Church.

Here's a so-called moderate country (Saudi Arabia) example for you:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1430851/posts



uhhhhhhhhhh there are Churches in Arab nations...Ever heard of a religion Orthodox...I know of so many Palestinian Orthodox people

Anyhow I do not agree with this Article I am just posting to see what people thought of it


Posted by emc^2 on Feb-03-2006 19:25:

quote:
Originally posted by Clublifexxx
uhhhhhhhhhh there are Churches in Arab nations...Ever heard of a religion Orthodox...I know of so many Palestinian Orthodox people

Anyhow I do not agree with this Article I am just posting to see what people thought of it


Ok, I stand corrected - you are right on churches. There's also Egyptian Latas (I think?)


Posted by Lepanto on Feb-04-2006 17:38:

quote:
Originally posted by Clublifexxx
uhhhhhhhhhh there are Churches in Arab nations...Ever heard of a religion Orthodox...I know of so many Palestinian Orthodox people


So what if there are churches? Arabs are A PEOPLE not a religion and if you honestly believe christians or jews would be safe in those arab countries you're sadly mistaken. i've used this argument alot, people could stand in the middle of NYC and protest against our government but go ahead and try this in Iran and see how you get away with it.

Tehran, Oct. 2 - Violent clashes erupted between local residents and the security forces in the city of Isfahan, central Iran. Among the casualties is a 14 year-old schoolboy who was reportedly was shot and seriously wounded.

On Thursday, eye-witnesses in nearby Shahin Shahr reported clashes between local people and armed Bassij Forces through the early hours of the day. Residents said that the majority of those who fought against the Bassij Forces were teenagers. One of the Bassij militia has been reportedly taken to hospital after severe injuries.

Sporadic street-battles continued well into the night and in the early hours of Friday morning a government-owned oil storage was set alight along with juggernaut tires in Seyedi Shomali street.

In the past week there have been deadly clashes between angry youths and State Security Forces in the cities of Bandar Abbas and Miandoab and the Nour-Abad region of Mamasani, with seven fatalities.

Analysts say rising discontent and frustration among youth over government-imposed restrictions and widespread unemployment are the main reason for the growing number of public protests across the country.


Posted by RebeL9 on Feb-04-2006 23:36:

quote:
Originally posted by emc^2


Make no mistake about it - the #1 goal of Hamas is not welfare of its people. It is welfare of its people on Israeli soil with all jews gone.


Isn't that Israels goal as well? to get rid of all arabs, steal their soil to build settlements?
Don't be so narrowminded.

you obviously don't have much clue do you?
you can find churches (and often mosques) in every single muslim country in the world. in fact the coptic church in Egypt have the largest coptic community in the world.


Posted by Lepanto on Feb-05-2006 03:21:

quote:
Originally posted by RebeL9
Isn't that Israels goal as well? to get rid of all arabs, steal their soil to build settlements?


really? base your arguments on something? show me how israel doesn't just want to E X I S T.


Posted by RebeL9 on Feb-05-2006 06:16:

quote:
Originally posted by Lepanto
really? base your arguments on something? show me how israel doesn't just want to E X I S T.


the fact that Israel have stolen most of palestinian soil, built settlements there, built a wall on their territorium, forbidden palestinians to travel to their works etc.
what more do you need?


Posted by tathi on Feb-05-2006 06:26:

quote:
Originally posted by RebeL9
Isn't that Israels goal as well? to get rid of all arabs, steal their soil to build settlements?
Don't be so narrowminded.

you obviously don't have much clue do you?
you can find churches (and often mosques) in every single muslim country in the world. in fact the coptic church in Egypt have the largest coptic community in the world.

Agree. You can't only accuse Hamas of terrorism while remaining blindly ignorant of Israels countless acts of "State Sponsored terrorism" over the decades.


Posted by Lepanto on Feb-05-2006 16:49:

quote:
Originally posted by RebeL9
the fact that Israel have stolen most of palestinian soil, built settlements there, built a wall on their territorium, forbidden palestinians to travel to their works etc.
what more do you need?


Wasn't it established that there are no such things as palestinians already lol?

wait so if it took back their own land and built a wall to PROTECT themselves that equals their willing destruction of the arab race? wow.


Posted by RebeL9 on Feb-06-2006 05:21:

quote:
Originally posted by Lepanto
Wasn't it established that there are no such things as palestinians already lol?

wait so if it took back their own land and built a wall to PROTECT themselves that equals their willing destruction of the arab race? wow.


if it only stopped there but it doesnt. israel is constantly violating humanitarian laws by bombing civilians and children. Tanks against stones. Militaries against kids.
what more is left to do?


Posted by Lepanto on Feb-06-2006 11:14:

quote:
Originally posted by RebeL9
if it only stopped there but it doesnt. israel is constantly violating humanitarian laws by bombing civilians and children. Tanks against stones. Militaries against kids.
what more is left to do?


they don't go around for NO REASON and kill people. more than could be said for hamas. What's more left to do? FUCK OFF there are plenty of countries there for "palestinians" to rot in. And what i mean is that they lived there for God knows how long and have done shit with the country, in a few years the Jews turned that desert into a beautiful and modern country but yeah they so don't deserve their own land if you're refering to Sharon's helicotper bombings against terrorist leaders then sure you're right...all civilians and kids. if none of them would touch the Israelis they wouldn't be doing shit either. Nice and simple enough, i hope.


Posted by emc^2 on Feb-06-2006 20:27:

quote:
Originally posted by RebeL9
Isn't that Israels goal as well? to get rid of all arabs, steal their soil to build settlements?
Don't be so narrowminded.

you obviously don't have much clue do you?
you can find churches (and often mosques) in every single muslim country in the world. in fact the coptic church in Egypt have the largest coptic community in the world.


Yeah, but there's one thing that coptis share with islamists - mutual hate of Israel. Enemy of my enemy....

P.S. "Their soil"? Talk about not having a fucking clue.


Posted by FuzzyGreen on Feb-06-2006 22:17:

quote:
Originally posted by RebeL9
the fact that Israel have stolen most of palestinian soil, built settlements there, built a wall on their territorium, forbidden palestinians to travel to their works etc.
what more do you need?


Isreal didn't steal palestinian soil, it was given it at the end of WW2. Mistake or not, that is in the past. Maybe Isrealis wouldn't have to build walls and forbid palestinian travel if the palestinians didn't send their women and children to blow up Isreali school buses with suicide bombs.



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