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Any tricks to pitch bending?

I noticed the other pitch bending thread but I couldn't find an answer to what I am looking for...

Let's say that I have the pitch set at a spot where the 2 records are beatmatched for a good 10 seconds or so and then after that they begin to drift a little. Let's say, the incoming track begins to fall behind a little. Can you speed the pitch up and immediately bring it back to the original point to keep it steady with the other record? And if this is something that does work, how much do you recommend increasing the pitch for that split second before bringing it back to the original point?

Yeah, that is how a lot of people pitch bend, including myself. As for the specifics just practice.

Usually when you're live in a mix you want it to be to the point where it takes longer than 10 seconds to drift and you want to be able to just make a slight push in the opposite direction of the slip wait a little bit for the beats to align and then make a tiny push back towards the original spot. The only time you really want to "throw" the pitch and then bring it back is when you're doing the initial beatmatching. Live you shouldn't need to make such drastic adjustments.

Yeah, but there are some of those songs where I like the incoming track to play live with the curent track for a good 30 seconds or sometimes more because it sounds really good. As far as pushing, are you talking about actually pushing the record with your hand? Because live, that sounds really bad. Slamming the pitch really fast and bringing it back to the original point, most of the time can't really be heard with the original track still playing and the incoming EQ's are low on the incoming track.

thats what I do. slam the pitch quickly, and bring it back to the original spot....cant hear it, and makes fine adjustments.

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Originally posted by Soundwerks thats what I do. slam the pitch quickly, and bring it back to the original spot....cant hear it, and makes fine adjustments.

But how far up or down (depending on whether the track is lagging or too fast) do you generally slam it before bringing it back to the original point?

whatever it takes. a you shouldnt be slamming it at all if you are just correcting. it should be a slow, fluid motion. the further the songs are off the further you move the pitch. do it nice a steadily then smoothly bring it back to the correct position.

you dont bring it back to the original point.
if you had to correct it, the original point was wrong anyway.

You can do the most insane pitch riding and its not audible if you do it correctly.

Im slowing getting better at riding on the pitch. My only trouble is getting it back to the exact same spot plus a tad more when im in a panic.

you dont need to get it right the first time. if you bring it back and it's still drifting, fix it again. keep continuing until it reaches a point were u virtually only have to look at the pitch fader to move it to the correct position

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Originally posted by DOOMBOT Yeah, but there are some of those songs where I like the incoming track to play live with the curent track for a good 30 seconds or sometimes more because it sounds really good. As far as pushing, are you talking about actually pushing the record with your hand? Because live, that sounds really bad. Slamming the pitch really fast and bringing it back to the original point, most of the time can't really be heard with the original track still playing and the incoming EQ's are low on the incoming track.

No sir I never said anything about touching it with your hand.

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Originally posted by Zild No sir I never said anything about touching it with your hand.

Sorry. When people say push I usually take it as a physical push on the record.

Freak: Some songs will just drift sometimes no matter what. So I am saying that when it begins to slightly move apart from the other track what exactly is the best method. So some here are saying to slam the pitch from one extreme back to where you had it and others are saying ever so slightly move it either up or down and bring it back.

i'd say you have to push the pitch as far as the adjusment needs to be done. what i mean is, if the song has been going tight for 30 seconds, the adjusment it will need will be obviously quite different than if it was only 10 seconds. you'll lose the spot anyways and 99% of the time it's never right at first so who cares, just drift when necessary up and down "inside the beat" and no one will notice.

I hope I make sense lol

I just hate how rotten it sounds when the lows collide ever so slightly. You can still tell when the high's don't match on the songs but not as much as the lows. I am still just having trouble sometimes figuring out which track is falling behind so adjust the pitch the wrong way at times.

if your tracks are starting to drift after 10 seconds you need to work more on your actual beatmatching than riding the pitch. But like everyone has said...how much you move the pitch slider forward before you move it back real quick is all relative to how well you have the songs beatmatched. If I have two tracks that are beatmatched to the point that they are on solidly for about 45 seconds, i will only move the pitch slider about 1 tiny notch, if that. But if My tracks are only holding for 10 seconds, I need to move that slider maybe 1-2 whole %'s before I put it back down to the original spot.

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Originally posted by zizack if your tracks are starting to drift after 10 seconds you need to work more on your actual beatmatching than riding the pitch. But like everyone has said...how much you move the pitch slider forward before you move it back real quick is all relative to how well you have the songs beatmatched. If I have two tracks that are beatmatched to the point that they are on solidly for about 45 seconds, i will only move the pitch slider about 1 tiny notch, if that. But if My tracks are only holding for 10 seconds, I need to move that slider maybe 1-2 whole %'s before I put it back down to the original spot.

When you move the pitch slider to another point to correct it do you keep it there for a few seconds or just bring it there and immediately bring it back to the original spot?

It is better to move the pitch ever so slightly because then you stay in the same neighborhood. Obviously if the beats are slipping fast this isn't going to work and you'll need to throw the pitch up and them back but your mixes should be close enough to where you only need to wiggle the pitch back and forth a few millimeters to keep everything nice and smooth.

Think of it like a see saw, and you're standing in the middle trying to balance it. If it starts to slowly move to the right you don't jerk to the left then jerk back to the right you slowly shift your weight until you are centered then you slowly shift it back. I don't know maybe that didn't make any sense.

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Originally posted by DOOMBOT I just hate how rotten it sounds when the lows collide ever so slightly. You can still tell when the high's don't match on the songs but not as much as the lows. I am still just having trouble sometimes figuring out which track is falling behind so adjust the pitch the wrong way at times.

small tip: use only one track on the headphone and the other ear on the monitors and you'll start, inside the beat, understanding really well which one needs what. even when they're spot on you start understanding which one is drifting, it's scary

when u return it to the original spot, make sure you correct the pitch.

So if the track was drifting because it was too fast, make sure u correct the pitch to slightly slower than before.

And vice versa.

Hey DOOMBOT,

I have the same problems... What I do is like you said earlier, I just drag the faster record. For some reason, I can cue a billion times check it for like 30 secs a million times and then when I let it go for the real thing... It goes to crap... My record when it comes on, It is usally going faster, maybe I push too hard but idk, it could be my crap decks but anywho...

I drag my finger on the lable to slow it down then i change the pitch according to what it needs..

Well last night it was getting better for me. I was just trying to mix 2 records together that probably aren't great to be mixed together but if I could get them to work then it was good practice. I was doing 3rd Earth into Indigo. I had the beats so close but no matter what these records just drift. So I was getting a lot of practice on ever so slightly slowing the record down with my finger on the plate and such.

I think a lot of it has to do with patience too. Being able to really focus on both songs. I think I might have ADD a little so it is hard for me to really focus on what I am doing as opposed to just listening and enjoying the song.

awesome thread! was wondering the same thing myself

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Originally posted by DOOMBOT I think I might have ADD a little so it is hard for me to really focus on what I am doing as opposed to just listening and enjoying the song.

Yeah same... But yeah sometimes it works great then sometimes... like I think I'm the worst dj ever... which I don't know, maybe I am but...

I think touching the record helps a lot, for me at least...

I thought this post was asking about techniques used to get away from physically touching the record.

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Originally posted by Zild I thought this post was asking about techniques used to get away from physically touching the record.

It is, but last night I got myself into a position where the record went so far off beat that I had no choice but to physically slow it with my hand to get it back in beat in time to bring the track in. haha I panicked it was so funny. I could only imagine in front of a live audience.

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Originally posted by Zild Think of it like a see saw, and you're standing in the middle trying to balance it. If it starts to slowly move to the right you don't jerk to the left then jerk back to the right you slowly shift your weight until you are centered then you slowly shift it back. I don't know maybe that didn't make any sense.

Nice analogy.

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