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Which CD decks + mixer

I'm planning to get 2 CD players and a mixer in the coming months, and plan to spend no more than �500 for the lot.

I've never trying Dj'ing/mixing before, so I'm a total newbie.

Can anyone give me advice as to the best combination for �500? Preferably less if possible as I'm on a tight budget.

I've heard that the decks where you get two players and a mixer all in one are crap. Is this true?


Cheers.

Anyone?

I`d go for TT`z if I where u.. with ttz its much more eazy to mix.. and there are many more advantages of spinnin` with vinyl

Greetz,

DJ Mantis

CD's are a lot easier to mix with than TT's.. you dont have to play with the CD like you do to vinyl for cueing up

goto www.djstore.co.uk

if cd decks where better.. why is everybody spinnin with TT`z then??
hehe.. oh yeah.. forgot about that

greetz,

DJ Mantis

everyone's spinning with tt's because of better sound quality...

and coz it much more simple to manually do all the things.. u can put more feeling to it.. not that its done by the cd-decks...

So is it true that the decks where you get a mixer and 2 CD players all in one unit are crap?

I've decided to go for CD decks since CDs are cheaper than vinyl (cos you can get a compilation of over 40 songs for 20 quid). And since I am a student without a job, I have to go with what I can afford.

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Originally posted by evil_bastard So is it true that the decks where you get a mixer and 2 CD players all in one unit are crap?

No, it's not true, there are some expensive packages that offer you quality CD players and a good mixer, they just cost more

I could probably recommend the package called Gemini Disc-o-Mix 3.0 which offers 2 Gemini CDJ-10 players, Gemini PMX-40 mixer, and cables. It's a pretty good package, especially for the beginner.

The only problem is the mixer; the mixer I think is really really basic, it doesn't even offer you much EQ control.

So, to answer your question, investigate this package issue some more, I don't think all packages are necessarily crap.

I am kinda in the same boat... When I get back to Canada after this tour, I'm planning on buying two CD Decks and a mixer as well... then maybe with some time I'll plug in a couple TT's afterwards... but I'm havin' a bit of trouble sorting through everythin' without knowing what is quality material and what is not... but also not overdoin' anythin' as I am jes' startin' out...

Lates...

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Originally posted by mantisnl if cd decks where better.. why is everybody spinnin with TT`z then?? hehe.. oh yeah.. forgot about that greetz, DJ Mantis

Well obviously you havent tried CD units out. They are easier to cue because they hold your cue point(s). Of course vinyls feels better, but its harder to cue on them than CD's. CD units also have digital pitch display.

CD units just came in just over 5 years ago and the population of them is growing, DJ TT's have been around for 25yrs+ and its the original thing to mix with

I also spin vinyl BTW

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Originally posted by TranceGeek everyone's spinning with tt's because of better sound quality...

are you kidding me? there is no proof what soever that vinyl have better quality sound than cds, vinyls are analog and cds are digital, digital is better than analog. so yea, vinyls are not better sound quality than cds. maybe the crowd likes vinyls better because it sounds more live, with all the pops and cracks and whatever. i think most djs havent switched to using cdjs though because the record companies continue to press out new vinyl instead of putting it on cd, i think if they put it on cd, it would be better for people who dont have record players, so they can buy the music too. i know some stuff is on cd, but i never seen fire and ice on a cd single.

I've used a few different cd players at different clubs and these are my views:

Denon - Expensive but very good, the best I've ever used.
Tascam - Expensive and pretty crap, pitch fader is in accurate and not very precise.
Numark - Now these are about �400 to buy and are bloody good, a lot better than the Tascams. I'd go for these, that leaves you with about �100 to buy a mixer.

Hope this helps.

Barry

I read in some letter to a magazine (think it might have been mixmag) where someone said Oakenfold and Mauro Picotto both use CD decks.

Is that true???

A lot of the big names do use CD decks as well as turntables. CD decks are just another tool available to the DJ. If people won't use them because it's not 'cool' then there DJing for the wrong reasons. I use both, and both have there advantages and disadvantages.

Barry

i would also say, if you can afford to get both, then go for it, cuz with tt's, you can get tracks that might never have been ripped before or mp3s that you couldnt find, and also with cdjs, you can get promos that release groups put out that you normally wouldnt get on vinyl, it is all up to you, you could probably be best of starting with cdjs though, since you have a big resource of mp3s and dont have to pay for them, jeez, i sound so illegal, haha, but i have turntables and vinyls, so yea, if you are gonna do that, should support the artist too, maybe buy a cdm..

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Originally posted by liquidxxd are you kidding me? there is no proof what soever that vinyl have better quality sound than cds, vinyls are analog and cds are digital, digital is better than analog. so yea, vinyls are not better sound quality than cds. maybe the crowd likes vinyls better because it sounds more live, with all the pops and cracks and whatever. i think most djs havent switched to using cdjs though because the record companies continue to press out new vinyl instead of putting it on cd, i think if they put it on cd, it would be better for people who dont have record players, so they can buy the music too. i know some stuff is on cd, but i never seen fire and ice on a cd single.

excuse my being blunt. BUT WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT!?!!?!?

everyone knows that vinyll has better sound quality. but there to hear that sound quality it requires decient needles and well taken care of records.. sure cd quality will be better than a greasy dirty record w/ a 5 year old needle. but when taken care of record kicks the shit out of cds.. where did that comment come from you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about?

digital better then analog?? maybe in computers, but certainly NOT in music!! have you ever compared a track you had on both media?? I did it, and the bass at vinyl LIVES, and the high tones are more clear. So for a better sound (read music sound, not pops or cracks) you should choose vinyl. But if you want to use cd's thats also good for mixing (i use both, i am in the lucky position of a denon 2600F and 2 sl1210's). I can't helpp you with your decesion, you should better check a few local suppliers to see wich cd player works the best for your desired price. Please take care with the start time of a cd-player (the time between pushing the play button and the actual starting of the music, the better players have instant start).

Greetz Maarten

wow liquidxxd, talk about arguing about a subject you've got no clue about! i don't wanna get all technical on you and explain you the difference in music between analogue and digital, but lets just say vinyl is WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY better than cd... hehe, so there

The reason I chose turntables, as opposed to CD decks, is because the only stuff that's released on CD's are commercial top-40 hits. You won't find the majority of Trance tunes released as CD singles. Everything is released on vinyl.

Of course, you can burn MP3's and spin "MP3 CD's" for the most part, but then you're sacrificing quality, and who would take seriously a DJ who compromises quality?!

yah vinyll sounds better, has a broader range of releases, and hey man finding vinyll is like a game! Its challenging and a bitch but when you get those records they mean soo much more. and it puts you in check so your collection can only grow soo fast (ie you get to learn records)

paying for them is a different story =)
now that part i admit sucks..

but hey, whatr you going to do.

dazzed

Better Vinyl quality

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wow liquidxxd, talk about arguing about a subject you've got no clue about! i don't wanna get all technical on you and explain you the difference in music between analogue and digital, but lets just say vinyl is WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY better than cd... hehe, so there

Hi,

If you don't mind me asking, now I really got curious why vinyl is so much better than cd? Is it because like mp3, the cd cuts off a part of the music that goes beyond 20k herts or anything like this. Please help my head rest calmly during the night.

OK guys, I've whittledm it down to 2 particular CD players (though I may still change my mind).

The CDJ-30
http://www.123dj.com/cd/gemini/cdj30.html
$229

or the

Pioneer CDJ-100S
http://www.123dj.com/cd/pioneer/cdj100.htm
$299

Obviously, since its an extra 70 dollars for the Pioneer, I imagine it's better. But how much better? Both links show their qualities, but I don't understand what half of it means

Can anyone tell me if it's REALLY worth paying an extra $140 for a pair of the more expensive ones? Or would I be better off going for the CDJ-30 and using the money I saved to get a better mixer?

Loop and Re-Loop

One more question about CD-Decks. Does the Loop and Re-loop functions are really important. Cause I don't know if this feature is strictly a cd thing or if you can do it with regular TT (not CD-DECKS), well if I am to feel like a DJ do I really need that?
I am asking this because the CdJ-100s doesn't have the loop funtion much less re-loop, so I am thinking that maybe it is worth saving a little more for a 500A Pioneer CDJ???

Comments please

Re: Loop and Re-Loop

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Originally posted by gho If you don't mind me asking, now I really got curious why vinyl is so much better than cd? Is it because like mp3, the cd cuts off a part of the music that goes beyond 20k herts or anything like this. Please help my head rest calmly during the night.

Well ok, here goes... you know how sound travels in waves, now that analogue wave represents the clearest sound you're ever gonna hear... ok so lets say we take one sine wave, i can't draw it so i'm gonna assume you know what it looks like, and to transfer that wave into digital (ie. cd, mp3...) we have to convert it to 0's and 1's... so to do that we split that one wave into sections, and you go step by step, one section by another, and if let's say one section has a part of a wave that is on a downward slope, you say it's a 0, and an upward slope, you say it's a 1, and so on and so on till you convert it all... so there you go, now you have one wave in sets of 0's and 1's... now this is where the loss occurs, in this conversion of sections, cuz you can't never ever never ever never (NEVER ) have a digital sound as clear as crisp as good as analogue... ok i hope this essay hasn't confused anyone, if it has, leave a post if you want me to go over anything again...

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One more question about CD-Decks. Does the Loop and Re-loop functions are really important. Cause I don't know if this feature is strictly a cd thing or if you can do it with regular TT (not CD-DECKS), well if I am to feel like a DJ do I really need that? I am asking this because the CdJ-100s doesn't have the loop funtion much less re-loop, so I am thinking that maybe it is worth saving a little more for a 500A Pioneer CDJ???

well that loop can come in really handy! if for example you're the openning dj, and the club is really empty, and don't want to start spinin just yet, you select a loop and let it run for a whiles... this is just one example... there's a million others... and you can do it on tt's too, well not on tt's but on the mixer... my mixer has a sampler and a loop function, so i can do the same thing with my tt's... is it worth saving up for? meh, dunno... maybe it is

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