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A fetus or a cell?

the great old abortion debate again, whats your thoughts on the new pill??

I see a long thread ahead....

I think its a great thing, and really reckon people that oppose this drug are plain out selfish. I mean what happens to all the 15 year old girls who get pregnant, do they HAVE to have the child and practically ruin their lives? They should be given the chance to build their lives up to a point when they can support their child. Where is the financing when the child is born into a family of kids, the child is practically as good as dead when it comes to protection, food etc with no outside support.

I mean ffs, they all say it's murder killing the baby when its in your stomach, first off, if it's been longer than 1 month then maybe you can bring up that statement, and still it will be false but before the first month, i mean come on.. do we have retards opposing this drug and the whole abortion case or what?

If a child is going to be born, let it be at a time when it is right!

If thats murder, i think they should go criticize all the friggin masturbators out there then, they are killing 1 million children in one hit.

all pointless & emotive "its a human being" versus "what about rape victims" arguments aside, the state shouldnt have the authority to tell a woman what to do with her body. end of debate.

I think anybody who comments in this thread should be careful not to label those who dont agree with them idiots or whatever becuase it is such a touchy thing for some.

There really is no right or wrong remember, just our opinions.

Having said that i think its a really good thing and dont feel it should be in the hands of the health minister.

To those who dont support it, you dont have to use it but i dont feel women who want to should be disallowed.

i'm gonna go with it should be up to the woman to decide if she wants to take it or not, not up to the health minister who has his own political agenda and opinions.

on a side note, do you think the partner should have much input in the descision? there was an episode of secret life of us where alex got pregnant by rex, had the abortion, then rang rex and left a message saying what she did. i dont think its fair that he wasn't involved in the decision and there was no discussion about it.

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Originally posted by Philby do you think the partner should have much input in the descision?

Of course he should, but sometimes they are totally unaware of the situation (happened to a friend of mine). I think it opens a whole new bag of worms if he doesnt know, but once again its up to the individuals morals to decide these things.

I'm all for this pill, yes it has side effects but so does every other single drug we give people.

Definite yes to this decision being taken out of the hands of any one person. Definite NO to this being turned into another argument about the pros and cons of abortion.

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Originally posted by sunrise3500 I see a long thread ahead....

There's something you might not know about me Joe Rogan, I smoke rock.

Given that the use of this drug is no more dangerous than undergoing a surgical abortion, there really isn't any legitimate reason why its availability shouldn't be controlled by the TGA as opposed to the health minister exclusively. Debate about the morality of abortion aside, the regulation of this drug should be determined by a medical body that has the knowledge to determine how safe it is, not by a health minister who most likely (most definitely in the case of Tony Abbott) does not have the qualifications to make an informed decision on the matter.

It's worth pointing out, by the way, that use of this drug is fairly rare in countries where it is freely available (only 4% of abortions in New Zealand are performed using RU486 for instance) and the abortion process isn't really any simpler or more "convenient" than those performed surgically (it's a two-step process with RU486, a one step process surgically) so I don't think that making RU486 freely available is likely to have much impact on the abortion rate one way or the other. All it does is give women a choice and it makes the process much easier and cheaper for women in more isolated areas who may not have easy access to an abortion clinic. Frankly, I can only see this as a positive.

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Originally posted by Philby on a side note, do you think the partner should have much input in the descision?

It's not the male that has to carry the fetus for nine months - why should he get any input?

(So start the big, shit-flinging abortion debate.... now!)

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Originally posted by tonydanza There's something you might not know about me Joe Rogan, I smoke rock.

hahahahahaha

and back on topic, at what point is the unborn considered as something that's actually alive, even so a chain of events had begun before then leading to it... It takes two, and if you're gonna do it, *both* should be responsible for the possibilities... although there's a lot of varying circumstances where this could be easily argued as a good option, but that's probably more so the very rare cases, so I guess there can be room for it then. But you can really argue this forever every which way... blargh blargh..

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Originally posted by Philby on a side note, do you think the partner should have much input in the descision?

yes, it's their kid too. although i suppose quite a few partners would prefer to not know, or if they did, not care... I think it'd say a lot about each person - if she just went and got the abortion and didn't say shit to the partner, or the partner being like "meh, fuck off" or whatever.. sounds very selfish.
could atleast talk about it, and say what if... really should be able to both come to support a decision together, and one that you won't later regret.

every option should be available to everyone imo

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Originally posted by Renegade It's not the male that has to carry the fetus for nine months - why should he get any input?

exactly right.

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Originally posted by Philby on a side note, do you think the partner should have much input in the descision?

I have to say no philbs. if things dont work out its easy enough for a gu8y to fvck off, not so for a girl. And yeah what the others said about being a human incubator for 9 months.

I'd like to know either way, but i would fully support any decision she made in the end, especially if it involves cooking me a meal to celebrate.

I'm not so sure about this thing because I haven't read much on it, but I'm definitely pro-choice.

I think everyone should be given access all the suitable options, but first priority should be the woman's health.

That's the problem with most teenagers these days, they shag like rabbits and don't practice safe sex then they cry abortion.
No glove, no love kids!!!!

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Originally posted by Psygnosis I mean what happens to all the 15 year old girls who get pregnant, do they HAVE to have the child and practically ruin their lives?

That was a very intelligent way of putting it Anita:P The fact that this was even debated shocked me. Of course there should be access to this drug.

Tony Abbott can suck my ass (along with George Bush)

It's a better option than having a 14 year old crack whore for a mother.

i heard a rumour they were changing the name

from now on instead of RU-486 it will be known as RU-3-4-6X-29T

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Originally posted by sunrise3500 It's a better option than having a 14 year old crack whore for a mother.

True dat.

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Originally posted by sunrise3500 It\\'s a better option than having a 14 year old crack whore for a mother.

well i for one think tathi turned out pretty well actually.

Good topic Nazicism

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If thats murder, i think they should go criticize all the friggin masturbators out there then, they are killing 1 million children in one hit.

Im sorry but that comment sounds really STUPID & UN EDUCATED!

I believe a woman should have the opportunity to decide what she wants
to do
with her life.

Although I am strongly AGAINST girls who continually have un-protected
sex &
who have many abortions! To girls who think its OK to have sex, get
pregnant
then just have an abortion without any remorse, absolutely DISGUST me!

To any girl who consents in having sex, whether it be protected or not, YOU SHOULD ALWAYS TAKE FULL RESPONSIBILTY IN KNOWING THAT THERE IS A CHANCE YOU MIGHT FALL PREGNANT!

On the otherhand I also believe that bringing a child into this fucked up world may not be in the best interests of the child.
This world is fucked!
What kind of future do we want for our kids?

Not one with war, poverty & famine, hatred, etc.

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN well i for one think tathi turned out pretty well actually.

hahah you beat me, as soon as i saw the thread title i thought 'how can i insinuate that i wished PKCs mum had aborted after that fateful night of wild monkey love we shared together'

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Originally posted by tathi hahah you beat me, as soon as i saw the thread title i thought 'how can i insinuate that i wished PKCs mum had aborted after that fateful night of wild monkey love we shared together'

thats a way less exciting way to find out who your father is than, say, vader's declaration to luke

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