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the best way to make builds

a lot of tracks for review have these real complex builds
imo they make a track sound so much better ,just wondering the best way to start to construct my own builds

in the into,in the break down the reprise etc

im just looking for a base to start from

thanks

Dumbest thread ever.

hey, thats not nice.

Builds,

start with pads. good place to start, find a creative way to bring in your main lead from the build. remember one thing while doing this.

its a build. meaning its constantly getting bigger and bigger until it reaches its final point and morphs into your chorus.

i cant tell you exactly how to make a build, because it would stop you from infusing your style into it.

Best advice I can give to start off with basics is to just listen to tracks that you know have real good builds, and attempt to emulate it yourself.

you really do learn alot about the structure of anything that way, it gives alot of insight.

there is no best way to make builds.

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Originally posted by mysticalninja there is no best way to make builds.

I guess that's why 90% of the buildups in uplifting trance are identical.

sometimes less is more imo..

i like a break that builds a few times and then catches you off guard

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Originally posted by Mr.Mystery I guess that's why 90% of the buildups in uplifting trance are identical.

Agreed, I'm also tired of that -I'm not giving advice because it would stop you from being original- attitude. Trance is a genre with generic arrangement.

A lot of tracks have a simplified version of the melody to put in the buildup, along with pads, sweeps, snarerolls and some FX work.

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Originally posted by walterpearce Best advice I can give to start off with basics is to just listen to tracks that you know have real good builds, and attempt to emulate it yourself. you really do learn alot about the structure of anything that way, it gives alot of insight.

Agreed.

Can anyone remember back in the mid-90's then the snare-roll was the only buid up everyone used?

Now is it just me, or is this fashion making a comeback?

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Originally posted by aquila Can anyone remember back in the mid-90's then the snare-roll was the only buid up everyone used? Now is it just me, or is this fashion making a comeback?

I think acid is makign a comeback all together...now that everyone is over making things overly complex (because of such a surge of new ways to do things), people are starting to go back to the original roots...maybe? lol. less is more, anyways right?

But on that note....is it just me, or is all the new 'Tech _____', seem alot like oldschool acid house?

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Originally posted by Mr.Mystery I guess that's why 90% of the buildups in uplifting trance are identical.

Not true. Uplifting trance is uplifting by opinion anyway, it's not a genre.

The best way to write a track that builds is to ask yourself:

Does this as a 'listener' make me want to continue listening to the track?
Is this track going anywhere?

If the track doesnt build and stays the same, it will bore the listener to some degree. However keep in mind not all great tracks out there have breakdowns... You dont need to go into a breakdown to build the track into the chorus.

My final piece of advice is - Dont listen to those noobs who tell you to emulate someone elses track... You will never find your own style that way... Jump in the deep end and you will learn how to swim.

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Originally posted by mysticalninja Not true. Uplifting trance is uplifting by opinion anyway, it's not a genre.

Now you're just being plain ignorant... and you know very well what I mean by uplifting trance, so don't even play that card.

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Originally posted by ONION Jump in the deep end and you will learn how to swim.

...or drown...

When creating a build you are generally out after giving the listener that special feeling, you want to turn them crazy screaming on the dancefloor.

I can't say that there's a specific way to create builds, I've heard lots of different ways to do it.

A general way tho seems to be that you peel of all the instruments and just keep one or a few in there and then turn the others up while building. It's all about creating a dynamic sound really. A track with the same volume on everything through the whole track will become boring. Dynamic is what makes it interesting.

the best way to make builds is to surprise the listener

Builds should not be sudden. To induce trance, the best way is to build incrementally. It's all about adding the clap here, the sixteenth note run here, the acid line here, or a brief chord change to bring the energy up a step higher. Eventually, you get a feel for when to introduce these elements and mold the track's energy to your will. The best way to get this feel is listening to other tracks. Some tracks I'd suggest with excellent builds are Atmos - Klein Aber Docter, Odysee of Noises - Firedance (Sunrise) and Taylor - Xenophobe. Note how, although some of these tracks have breakdowns to help bring the energy to it's lowest, but the point after these breakdowns is not the peak of the track. Xenophobe's biggest breakdown ends nearly three minutes before the actual peak of the track. This is because after the break, Taylor just adds element after element, one element actually builds for the entire duration of those two minutes fifteen seconds.

The point: the breakdown is inherently the lowest point in the track. Don't use it to make the jump from low energy to high energy that much more apparent and powerful; use it to make the actual build even longer,

However, don't just get to your peak without telling the listener that you're there. Use a tasteful snare roll, drum fill or drop to indicate that the track is about to reach a high point. This fills a sort of expectancy. Without it, the listener reaches the peak and still expects more, so when the denoument begins, they're left somewhat unsatisfied.

Nice post Jex! A great insight into building up tension and anticipation in a track. I too have noticed that tracks used to have the breakdown, then a MASSIVE build and then everything in and here we go. Now the breakdown is built up from and to the peak, which is more of a "journey" and IMO sounds a lot better.

PC

thanks

Thanks guys i really like what thoughtlessjex and ONION
said in there posts ,you guys gave me some inspiration on how to create my builds.

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Originally posted by echosystm Dumbest thread ever.

Ur a fucking asshole. People like you make others not want to post.Your the moron who spent the time to just reply by saying its a dumb thread. Check urself moron.

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Originally posted by Biatchzxz Ur a fucking asshole. People like you make others not want to post.Your the moron who spent the time to just reply by saying its a dumb thread. Check urself moron.

AGREED.

apart from that buthead this has been a good read.

thanx

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Originally posted by aquila Can anyone remember back in the mid-90's then the snare-roll was the only buid up everyone used? Now is it just me, or is this fashion making a comeback?

Oh good lord, it's just you!

Don't do it, guys!

I hear some Snare Rolls in some tracks now.. I TOTALLY REFUSE TO USE Snare Rolls. I feel like they are played out.. I know they have some Samples to use instead of Snare period. try making a Build up with the Subsitute for Snares. What bout just Some Bongos and some Sweepy Wind.. Sounds.. ill be honest with you I feel as if i am missing the build ups and breakdowns in my tracks as well.. I will post some of my tracks up very soon and i will def want some opinions...

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