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Posted by paulc_dj on Feb-27-2006 13:27:

Fruity users help needed.

I just need to know how to turn the piano roll back into the pattern sequencer on an individual track. For some reason Fruity has decided to turn all my percs into piano roll and it is sooo frustrating!

Thx.

PC

Posted by cybernetica on Feb-27-2006 14:10:

Tried to change the skin? Its in options -> general settings.

Posted by paulc_dj on Feb-27-2006 14:36:

Nah, its not the skin, although cheers for replying. All I need to do is know how to turn back notes from being in the piano roll to being in the standard pattern sequencer, its that simple, but if you don't know it, it isn't. lol

PC

Posted by djlogik on Feb-27-2006 15:04:

If it's what I think you mean...see if there are any notes in that piano roll and if there are delete/transfer them. Once all notes are gone from the piano roll, then it should bring you back to the pattern sequencer.

Posted by paulc_dj on Feb-27-2006 17:22:

IS there no way to turn them back into the pattern sequencer then as these are percs and I would need to program the patterns again. For some reason FL6 decided to turn them into piano roll and I have no idea why!

PC

Posted by djlogik on Feb-27-2006 18:42:

It can't take THAT long to transfer them back into patterns. Just take let's say your CH and shakers and transfer them to a different pattern. Then after that, just delete the old one.

Posted by paulc_dj on Feb-27-2006 19:16:

The problem is that if I do a cut and paste, they will still be in the piano roll as they are there now. So there is no way to change back to the pattern sequencer from piano roll then?

PC

Posted by Jason_R on Feb-27-2006 19:22:

I've just had a look through the flfstudio bible and it mentions no way of doing this. Was there any reason you need to change them back?

Posted by djlogik on Feb-27-2006 21:44:

I think you should post a picture because this discussion isn't going anywhere without knowing exactly what you mean. ;P

Posted by Storyteller on Feb-27-2006 22:49:

It's easy enough for me to understand with less than 10 hours of fruity experience!

It is very easy. He used the trigger buttons on some samples(/channels) and in some strange way fruity made those channels into piano roll channels. So instead of a trigger button a note gets triggered on the piano roll (probably c4). Anyway, I've never heard of any way to transform it back, but then again I've only worked with fruity for a very limited period of time. And that was more than enough for me as well :P

Posted by paulc_dj on Feb-28-2006 00:01:

Yes, because I prefer percs being in the pattern sequencer form (buttons), rather than the piano roll, so as I can see exactly which hits are where in the groove. Heres a pic for you to see what I mean (As it is now, and how I need it to be).

Fruity Screenshots

I want to change back to the standard trigger buttons rather than the piano roll as it is right now.

PC

Posted by ASFSE on Feb-28-2006 01:59:

i didnt check the pic out, but if you're talking about what i think you're talking about...

...then you have to do what someone else mentioned above, delete whatever is in ur piano roll, that will clear it. then u'll have to manually re-enter the pattern in your step-sequencer. that's the only solution i know of.

Posted by IDarkISwordI on Mar-01-2006 16:28:

Hey. Honestly, I would recomend getting used to putting your percussion in the piano roll. It allows a much higher level of detail with the percussion. With the pattern sequencer, you are limited to sixteenth notes, and strust me, a lot of times, that not fine enough . Everyone else is correct however, the only way to switch it back into the pattern sequencer that I have seen, is to delete everything from the piano roll and place it back into the pattern sequencer.

Cheers,
Zac

Posted by djlogik on Mar-01-2006 18:49:

Like DarkSword stated, using the piano roll adds a lot more complexity to your groove. Quantizing your notes gives it a more "natural" feel compared to your typical sixteenth note groove. Changing the note velocity, placement of notes and all that other goodness drives your percussion groove in a more naturalistic approach compared to being directly on the beat. Try that out and mess around with the piano roll and quantizing and changing the note velocities for each note and you'll find that you can create some pretty neat grooves. Enjoy

Posted by SiK on Mar-02-2006 02:18:

Fruity Loops was the first music software i ever learned how to use, and Im pretty sure theres no way to change it back, mate

Although I rarely just use the sequencer, and end up putting everything in piano roll.

Im guessing if they implemented an option to change back to sequencer and you had a piano roll section with dozens and dozens of notes on,
it would create havoc on the sequencer when changed back- maybe thats why you cant do it.

~SiK