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UFC 58 - USA vs. Canada

Great UFC this saturday
USA vs Canada - Go Canada


Fight Card... http://www.ufc.com/index.cfm?fa=Eve...ghtCard&eid=156

I like both Franklin and Loiseau, but Franklin will kick his ass i think.
Also im really excited about the Penn vs. St. Pierre fight. I hope Pierre will kick some serious ass, i think this will be one of the fights of the year

anyone else watching it???

I will be and i agree with you, franklin will destroy and then we'll get some redemption by watching St.Pierre shank Penn. Should be a great event to watch.

Agreed that St.Pierre will destroy Penn.

Dunno about Loiseau vs Franklin. Yeah, Franklin is awesome, but Loiseau is pretty damn good, esp. his elbows that comes out of nowhere.

Hope Mike Swick does well. He's got heart.

hell yeah.

St. Pierre should *destroy* Penn. Penn is a great fighter...but I think he beat Hughes mainly because Hughes completely dismissed and underestimated him...no excuse, Penn won...but I bet Penn doesn't even want another piece of Hughes.

Anyone watch the preview last night? I think Hughes stated that while he feels St. Pierre is definitely the better of the two, is hoping for Penn to win so that he can avenge the loss rather than fight St. Pierre again (who he beat before).

Personally, while I'd like to see Hughes avenge that loss to Penn (and I think he easily would), I think I'd rather see another Hughes/St. Pierre fight...should be a lot more competitive this time around.

I think Franklin will soundly beat Loiseau too...I like both fighters a lot, but can't see Frankling going down to him. Louiseau was embarassed by Jeremy Horn a little while back...shitty loss.

Sam Stout and Mark Hominick are both really fun to watch too...I hope they both do well. Swick/Vigneault should be a good one too!


After this...I'm looking forward to Matt Hughes thumping Royce Gracie Then it's time for some of the UFC guys (Hughes, Franklin, St. Pierre, Orlovsky, etc) get over to Pride so we can see some *real* fights

St.Peirre FTW

you bet I'm watching this!

Can't wait.

They should have put ivan salaverry in the matches though somewhere representing toronto.

K guys. these are my predictions on whos going to win.


Franklin vs Loiseau It will be (loiseau)

Georges St. Pierre vs BJ penn. you will hate me as much as I like st pierre Penns going to take this one. (BJ penn)

Joe Doerksen vs Nate Marquardt hands down (nate marquardt.)

(Mike swick) will be beating Steve Vigneault

Yves Edwardsvs vs Mark Hominick (yves) will be winning.

Tom Murphy vs Christophe Midoux (christophe midoux) will win it.

Spencer Fisher vs Sam Stout (sam stout) will win.

i will put my money on Franklin and BJ eeeeeeeeeasy!

I've trained for years and I have friends that have trained with both BJ and St. Pierre and when I carefully look at how these two match up I have to go for St. Pierre.

BJ Penn knows that to win he needs to put Georges on his back. Once there he has a good chance of passing, taking the back and submitting St. Pierre with a choke. At the very least he can neutralize him but puttin ghim on his back.

The only problem is that its going to be very difficult for BJ to do that. If he can take St. Pierre down more than once or early in a round, then he's the man and has a good chance of winning.

But I honestly see BJ not matching up well against St. Pierre's movement, sprawl, straight shots and just crazy athleticism.

This is all coming from someone who is a huge BJ FAN and who believes that he is pound for pound among the worlds top 5 for sure, if not higher.

I'm gonna risk it and pick Loiseau over Fraklin on the hunch that is going to display the better striking game tonight.

Yves will will easily..I dont really care for the rest of the card...they are not that good with the exception of Joe Doerksen vs Nate Marquardt who are very skilled.

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Originally posted by Moonshine_x I've trained for years and I have friends that have trained with both BJ and St. Pierre and when I carefully look at how these two match up I have to go for St. Pierre. BJ Penn knows that to win he needs to put Georges on his back. Once there he has a good chance of passing, taking the back and submitting St. Pierre with a choke. At the very least he can neutralize him but puttin ghim on his back. The only problem is that its going to be very difficult for BJ to do that. If he can take St. Pierre down more than once or early in a round, then he's the man and has a good chance of winning. But I honestly see BJ not matching up well against St. Pierre's movement, sprawl, straight shots and just crazy athleticism. This is all coming from someone who is a huge BJ FAN and who believes that he is pound for pound among the worlds top 5 for sure, if not higher. I'm gonna risk it and pick Loiseau over Fraklin on the hunch that is going to display the better striking game tonight. Yves will will easily..I dont really care for the rest of the card...they are not that good with the exception of Joe Doerksen vs Nate Marquardt who are very skilled.

my thoughts almost 100%. but even on his back St. Pierre is good enough to get by and can fend off rear naked chokes pretty easily. I don't see Penn as being able to deliver enough pain per pound to make st. pierre uncomfortable.

btw: only a few hours to go! weeeeee.

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Originally posted by nusty btw: only a few hours to go! weeeeee.

hell yea cant wait

also Midoux pulled out cause of injury and is being replaced by Larenas

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Originally posted by nusty but even on his back St. Pierre is good enough to get by and can fend off rear naked chokes pretty easily.

Nusty,

Georges is a purple belt in BJJ (like me). His guard is purple belt level as well and he is still prone to stupid mistakes off his back. How else can we explain his first round tap out to Matt Hughes? BJ got his blackbelt in 2001 (or was it 2000?), anyways, he is lightyears ahead of that now.

They are on two completely different levels when it comes to pure grappling. Both of these guys know this. Fortunately, St. Pierre has been training with really good guys in NYC the past 2 months so we might see a new and improved bottom game.

Anyways, BJ doesnt like playing from guard in MMA either...

Enjoy the fights!

my comment was mainly that I've seen him fight off rear chokes before and directed at the previous comment about Penn taking his back I don't see it as a real concern given St. P's athletic ability. I'm not saying that they are on the same level with grappling (I've trainned with BJJ black belts and every belt between there and white, I know the differences every step of the way) but a purple belt is still pretty capable when it comes to fighting off back attacks as st. pierre has shown in past fights. Penn will be a good challenge but I think pierre is going in confident and will keep his head if penn gets his back. now other locks are different issue, but I doubt this match is going to end in a choke.
I think both would rather play it out swinging, but their interviews seem to acknowledge that things will fought standing and on the ground almost equally.

arg! I just went to buy this on PPV and it pops up as the 1am showing! I called in saying that I want the current showing and apparently because I didn't care about watching the intro crap for the first 30 minutes I now can't get it at all until it loops over to show it the second time!
I seriously want to kill my cable company down here. ...If I want to miss 30 minutes of a PPV program that's my choice, not theirs!

keep me posted guys... I'm dying to know what's going on with this fight.

Carney slides in the UFC post.

Round two saw the fight have a finish. Yves took down Hominick early into the round and Hominick transitioned into a triangle armbar forcing the tap. Hominick upsets Yves Edwards in the return of the Lightweights to even the team score to 2-2, leaving USA and Canada tied.

Mark Hominick def. Yves Edwards via Submission (armbar) at 1:52 of Round 2.
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Marquardt vs. Doerksen
round1
Fight is still going. Round one saw Marquardt with the upper hand. Fight hit the ground early with Nate on top, but didn't stay there long. Marquardt lands a big kick in the middle of the round. The fight hits the ground again with Nate on top again. Round ends with Doerksen landing some good shots
round2
Fight is still going. Round two saw Doerksen get a takedown early. Again, doesn't stay there long. Nate gets a takedown but they both get up quickly. Doerksen drops Marquardt with a huge left hand, but Marquardt recovers and takes him down. That's how round two finished up and we'll see you again in 5 or less with what went down in the third and final round.
round3
Fight went the distance. Round opened with some big exchanges on the feet which Marquardt got the better of. Doerksen gets a takedown in the middle of the round, but Nate reverses into Doerksen's half-guard. Nate working some ground and pound. Marquardt goes for a front choke, but doesn't get it. Round ends. Judges give it to Marquardt via Unanimous Decision, giving him all three rounds despite the knockdown in round two.

New team vs. team score: USA - 3, Canada 2

Nathan Marquardt def. Joe Doerksen via Unanimous Decision (30-27, 30-27, 30-27)
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(I'm reading up online... so not the same as seeing it!)

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Originally posted by Moonshine_x Nusty, Georges is a purple belt in BJJ (like me). His guard is purple belt level as well and he is still prone to stupid mistakes off his back.

just noticed that he walked in to this fight with a black belt on.... As far as I know his only true martial art is bjj so I'm assumming that the black belt is from that. Just thought I'd make note of it here. Although I thought he was still a purple belt as well.

I know Penn got his black in only 3 years.

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