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Islam vs West...not over religion

Debate on Al Jazeera

This is a televised debate between an LA psychologist Wafa Sultan and Islamist Ahmad bin Muhammad. This is pretty one-sided since the Islamist says very little in comparison to Sultan but what she's says seems very reasonable. Most other Mosaic religions have reformed to renew their relevance to the modern world, like Unitarian-Universalism and Liberal Judaism. Seems like a similar reformation is needed but it's being held back by fundamentalist/militant wackos. Is it that a silent majority is being held hostage by a loud minority? Just thought I'd share this.

dans les dents !!!

this woman spoke with great wisdom

who lives by the coran strict rules anyways??? very few. same goes for other religions.

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Originally posted by malek who lives by the coran strict rules anyways??? very few. same goes for other religions.

very true, plus what also isn't reported that not all muslims agree that the quaraan is to be taught literally, plus there are only 9 laws in the quran, harldy a basis for a judicial code wouldn't u agree?

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Originally posted by malek who lives by the coran strict rules anyways??? very few. same goes for other religions.

I do, you kafir. Don't make me declare a jihad on your ass. Wait a sec, that came out wrong...

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Originally posted by fayraree I do, you kafir. Don't make me declare a jihad on your ass. Wait a sec, that came out wrong...

khanzir!!!

For some reason the video doesn't work for me ... anyone got a link to download ?

c'est la plus belle chose que j'ai vu de ma vie

oh shit i just saw that there was a video...


ouch that was money.

That video was extremely biased against Islam. Sultan made some good points in general, but was so vague and so general in other instances that her general condemning of Islam as a whole is a farce.

To give credit to "Christian civilization" as a whole for the modern era of science reeks of ignorance. To not recognize the enormous contributions made by the Muslim civilizations between 700-1400 in the fields of mathematics, medicine and architecture that lead to many engineering and scientific breakthroughs during the Renaissance is asinine. To place the blame about "clashes of civilizations" solely at the feet of Islam is ridiculous, considering the imperialistic Western policies that currently exist in the Middle East and that have fueled this current radicalization of Islam. To squarely state that Jews have never used violence to achieve their means is laughable and factually incorrect. Anyone with any knowledge about the birth of Israel and the Zionist movement, however biased they are, would recognize that immediately.

I could go on, but I'd rather not waste more time commenting on something that was much more propaganda than fact. And as a disclaimer, I was culturally raised as Christian, but consider myself to be anti-religious and secular to the core.

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Originally posted by Epicurus To not recognize the enormous contributions made by the Muslim civilizations between 700-1400 in the fields of mathematics, medicine and architecture that lead to many engineering and scientific breakthroughs during the Renaissance is asinine.

yes to but 700-1400 has nothing to do with muslim now !
you're right, what she says is incorrect , for jews violence and american politics...

elle fait peut-�tre une caricature (quel mauvais jeu de mot) grossi�re, mais l'essence du message fait du sens: c'est pas juste des valeurs diff�rentes et elle ne se valent pas toutes, certaines civilisations sont plus avanc�es que d'autre sur plusieurs plans

en afghanistan les femmes ont pas le droit d'aller � l'�cole, on s'entend tu que c'est retard� , c'est pas juste une question de diversit� culturelle !!!

epi, she's not denying the things that muslim did...

what she's saying is that they stayed in the middle ages while the rest of the world went on with their lives.

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Originally posted by RnakR yes to but 700-1400 has nothing to do with muslim now !

Yes it does. I've studied Muslim history and am proud of the technological advances my "brethren" were responsible for in those centuries. I also know that it was CORRUPTION, not extremism that led to the downfall of the Muslim empire.

Yes, as a modern Muslim, generations of my family chose to coexist with the modern Western life and be peaceful and hospitable people. THAT, I believe, is the Muslim of today.

So YES, the 700-1400 AD Muslims have A LOT to do with Muslims now, in terms of success and intelligence.

If you are referring to the less than 1% of the entire global Muslim population that is extreme, fanatic, and violent then use caution when you refer to "Muslim" as a general concept because other people (not me because I understand you) may find it offensive.

It's disheartening when people start thinking that the group of fanatics are greater than 1% just because of the amount of air time that Western media places on that nominal group.

From the replies I've read, there's lots of deflection of the issue, i.e. pointing fingers at the West. I don't think that weakens her example of how Jews have handled adversity, which pretty much sums up everything she says. I guess that's why she chose not to use Christianity as an example (Spanish Inquisition, Crusades, etc are not exactly high points in their history). As for the scientific progress, I think she's talking about the contribution to MODERN science, which is a flimsy argument for other reasons imho.

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