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Posted by SafeAzFook on Mar-04-2006 22:27:

I've figured it out ....

*puts on cute flame outfit*

I just noticed that, so many producers have gone out of their way to change their sound just so that it would appeal to a particular show. Tilt was such a legendary act in the trance scene, and then they got pulled into the GBDJB thing, and did The World Doesnt Know ...that was crap. Matthew Dekay was doing real cool underground type stuff for a while, before he ever popped up on the ASOT radar, and then all of a sudden you see his style and tunes also being turned in the favor of that radio show. Do you think that they do these productions in mind with the fact that they KNOW and target them to a particular type of listener, and is in a way a marketing act. Think about it, anytime a classic artist comesback with a tune and it gets played by armin or schulz, the style is completely different, and just fits the exact style of that show. I'm beginning to think that its not even the artist changing style, because they are goind in a different direction in preference, but rather just do productions with those shows in mind in the first place. Another guy is Max Graham, classic producer from the past, and all of a sudden he comes out with thet "Gone" tune...and its appaling that he would even produce such a tune....it's so obvious thats the case, that people should stop saying well, the artists latest productions are bad...when they do it on purpose to make buck, cuz thats what sells. My bad, had to vent all that out....

Posted by XenatR on Mar-04-2006 22:34:

i think the more artists who start producing so-called 'cheese', the better

Posted by noikeee on Mar-04-2006 22:36:

the key word is 'paragraphs'

Posted by flavdave on Mar-04-2006 22:46:

Re: I've figured it out ....

quote:
Originally posted by SafeAzFook
Tilt was such a legendary act in the trance scene, and then they got pulled into the GBDJB thing, and did The World Doesnt Know ...that was crap.

I think that has more to do with the fact that John Graham left and was "replaced" by Andy Moor. If Moor had produced tracks that were equal to his earlier productions then it could've been fine, but he got all pling-plonged out and the Tilt name has suffered because of that in my opinion.

Posted by SafeAzFook on Mar-04-2006 22:58:

YEa, but don't you think those tracks are just being made JUST for those radio shows, because they know thats the sound they look for and then do the productions based on that. It seems like it because the styles of the oldschoolers that comeback with some tune never sounds quality and is always cookie cutter /bad ...with a hint of MC prog, or some crap cheese vocal like the Max Graham - Gone

Posted by eye_03 on Mar-05-2006 04:54:

GBDJB

what does that mean?

Posted by weymouth on Mar-05-2006 05:08:

I thought that when Yahel made Behind Silence and it was played on ASOT. I remember being totally excited about hearing a new Yahel tune and being drasticly disappointed. Most producers have to go where the money is though and if that is to make something comparable to a popular radio show then they have to do it.

Posted by DJ Intrigue on Mar-05-2006 05:32:

quote:
Originally posted by SafeAzFook
YEa, but don't you think those tracks are just being made JUST for those radio shows, because they know thats the sound they look for and then do the productions based on that. It seems like it because the styles of the oldschoolers that comeback with some tune never sounds quality and is always cookie cutter /bad ...with a hint of MC prog, or some crap cheese vocal like the Max Graham - Gone

Honestly, I have no idea, but I do think the radio shows have an influence on the productions in some respect, yes. The extent of this I would be interested in knowing, not to mention I'd also like to understand a bit more what some of the intentions and motivations are for making this type of sound, or why producers are suddenly switching their original style to seemingly "accomodate" this new and very amateurish sound. I think that getting increased recognition, quite possibly to different people (the pop music crowd?), or a possible cash-grab are involved as well.

This is one question I really, really wish would have been asked of Andy Moor in the interview that was posted on here not too long ago. I am dying to know what his response to this would be, considering his older work on the Baroque and Method labels are among some of my favorites in the progressive house area and are very well done, while his newer stuff (aka: Halcyon) is, well, terribly wasted potential from a more capable producer as far as I'm concerned.

Posted by flavdave on Mar-05-2006 07:49:

quote:
Originally posted by eye_03
GBDJB

what does that mean?

Global Butts DJ Broadcast

Posted by Rainborn on Mar-05-2006 10:19:

Global Bullshit DJ Broadcast
Global Bullocks DJ Broadcast
Global b00n DJ Broadcast

Oh man it can probably go on forever...

Posted by SkooB_E on Mar-05-2006 19:15:

quote:
Originally posted by Rainborn
Global Bullshit DJ Broadcast
Global Bullocks DJ Broadcast
Global b00n DJ Broadcast

Oh man it can probably go on forever...

what the hell is a b00n?!?

Posted by XenatR on Mar-05-2006 19:17:

quote:
Originally posted by SkooB_E
what the hell is a b00n?!?

b00n - n00b - noob - newb - newbie - someone new to something

Posted by SkooB_E on Mar-05-2006 19:21:

quote:
Originally posted by XenatR
b00n - n00b - noob - newb - newbie - someone new to something

well yeah, I know what a newbie is. but b00n?!? the whole thing is getting stupid

Posted by Rainborn on Mar-05-2006 19:28:

Well I'm not the inventor of the term.

Posted by SkooB_E on Mar-05-2006 19:48:

quote:
Originally posted by Rainborn
Well I'm not the inventor of the term.

didn't mean to acuse you. i'm just saying

Posted by SkooB_E on Mar-05-2006 19:52:

Anywas, back to topic. I see alot of people blaming Andy Moor for "the downfall" of Tilt, but I don't think it's all his fault. I mean there are two more members that have some input on whats produced. In that case it's as much their fault as Moor's. I don't think they would put their name on something they didn't like, I know that I sure as hell never would.

Posted by SafeAzFook on Mar-06-2006 01:33:

I dont like andy moor whenever i hear that name i think of that mcprog period from 03 ewww. Whatever happened to Probspot, and greg benz LAFfffff

Posted by Azz3D on Mar-06-2006 02:15:

Re: I've figured it out ....

quote:
Originally posted by SafeAzFook
*puts on cute flame outfit*

I just noticed that, so many producers have gone out of their way to change their sound just so that it would appeal to a particular show. Tilt was such a legendary act in the trance scene, and then they got pulled into the GBDJB thing, and did The World Doesnt Know ...that was crap

you can pretty much blame andy moor for that cause once he joined tilt they went down the shitter

Posted by miamitranceman on Mar-06-2006 02:53:

I'm sorry but TWDK is a great trance track.

Posted by SafeAzFook on Mar-06-2006 03:57:

Posted by IpLaYWiTLiGhTs on Mar-07-2006 00:50:

A friend and I were discussing this topic awile back. It was more about his spinning style though, he doesn't procuce.

I told him that his style changed ever since he got his residency at this lame mainstream trying to go "rave" club. The place is utter shit, and the people who go know nothing about EDM and just want to get shitfaced.

He used to spin this nice funky/nu-skool style of breaks which I was very fond of. You could tell he really had talent and loved what he was doing.

Recently getting his residency, he's moved to cheesy breaks, mostly mainstream tracks or EDM classics sampled into some shit remix. Now don't get me wrong, it's understandble seeing as how he wants to get paid, he needs to please the crowd. The crowd does go off, they worship him. But I told him that he's losing his original fanbase, the people who liked him for being so original.

Anyways, he gave me a mix a few nights ago and I was totally blown away like how I was when I first started listening to him. He still has his style, he said he's just "saving it for when the time permits."

What I don't get is that he doesn't play everynight like that for every crowd who goes to see him. Why waste the talent you have trying to please everyone instead of sticking to your true fans and pleasing them, the ones who care about you the most.

I believe one dedicated fan is worth more than ten random listeners .

Posted by johnson3161 on Mar-07-2006 01:46:

You can't really blame your friend for changing up his style to please the masses. Cmon, many clubbers and ravers don't even know or care about what tracks are being played.....as long as it's good enough to dance to!

You have to look at it from his perspective. If he's playing his original style and causes the dancefloor to empty out, what will that do to his residency at the club? You think promoters care about being original and unique? Heck no. They want a packed house nite in and nite out.

You said that he gave you a mix that blew you away. As long as he doesn't lose sight of what made him fall in love with music, you can't really call him out for losing his taste in music, no?

my .02 cents.