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Has everything been done?

Ive been to various tranceparties and ive listened various trancecd's and listened to dozens of tracks here..

but im getting the feeling that there's nothing new.. something really fresh to be made, (without heading to underground dnb techno'ish music [actually I constantly hear r�ally new sounds coming from technosets]) trancemusic is made with synths, and kicks.. doesnt matter how you program them.. they all have that feel that makes them feel trance..
makes you wonder if there's nothing new, something �lse to create trance with..


I know this shouldnt belong in the productionsection, but I think producers who create can give better answers to the question then crowds who just listen..

thank you for your time


(ps: everytime you lose a hair put it under your pillow and the trancefairy will come and exchange it for a trancesong)

I think there are some stuff that havent been done.. there's always something that hasnt been tried (wich is hard to believe with experimental)..

i think theres gonna be a new sound that will infect the edm scene again..soon.

otherwise we can just try for some sick synth progging or some sampling ^^

trance is trance because of this 'sound' but what makes certain new songs more appealing or stand out is that special uniqueness or melody or rythmic drive. Trance is all about uplifting, energy, and as i see it, an expression of the beauty of this world.

Yes, its all been done before, but the human ear will always crave new soundstructures, atmospheres, and stories in this kind of music; however, we as a species get comfortable with what we know, and the part of trance that we recognize as trance and will stay the same is 135-143bpm/solid yet punch synth basslines, 4 on the floor beats with builds, amazing pads and atmospheres, along with driving saw leads and melodies... but then again that stands for only one aspect of this genre we call trance. Trance as we've known it since the early 90's has come a long way and broken up into sooo many different branches, each with its own glorifying aspect...

The thing is, to create great trance you need to be in contact with your audience and your inner self. You need to be in current with all the latest trends/tracks, while steping out of the box and thinking of your own sound/melodies/rythms/story...

The way i see it you make trance for 2 different reasons:

1. for the dancefloor, where people listen to the track and it inspires their bodies to reach a euphoric trance state.

2. as art for arts sake, to express yourself through it and give the universe a sound/melody/rythm (whatever you want to call it), a piece of your creation.

So, in conclusion, when composing trance pieces don't be happy with the standard, unless your vision and idea and inspiration was to make the standard trance track. Try to compose something that will be valid and universally apealling infinately.

I bet bach, motzard, beethoveen, vivaldi, chopin, tchaikovsky, ravel, haydn and all the other classical composers thought the same thing... whats something new that there's never been done in classical music?

Music will evolve, just like everything else, and im sure trance will evolve as well, i just hope like every other composer that my productions and compositions will be remembered as something great, something that touched people.

That was nice to read iloop, really nice

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The thing is, to create great trance you need to be in contact with your audience and your inner self. You need to be in current with all the latest trends/tracks, while steping out of the box and thinking of your own sound/melodies/rythms/story...

good point

I also think Dj cola's prediction is right too about that particular sound.. Ive got that feeling too.. im getting the same feeling everyone is gonna get bored of 50cent like rnb for the coming 4, 5 years.. and you producers should go produce some shit naked chicks can shake their asses too.. no im serious..

I totally agree with Iloop about

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The way i see it you make trance for 2 different reasons: 1.** 2.**

Im never happy with the standard either.. but I get the feeling my work doesnt reach the so called "standard".. but that would bring us to "and wtf do you mean with "standard"". lets not start about that.
Nice to hear opinions..
but it still leaves us with the question, how can make something really fresh without "changing" genre

This discussion has became a clitche mate, instead to think: *Trance is too standart*, begin to change the things producing something fresh and original .
This debate it reminds me of academic music, the same discussion has been on the air during the last years *It is there something new for the music*, we have abused of the Major and minor mods, but honestly this in my opinion is crap, some of the must important and beautiful tunes ever are so simple, we have for example *yesterday* from the beatles, there's nothing new there, all is so tonal, but is considerated one of the must beautiful melodies from the last century.
In my opinion, the issue about standart it is, now anyone can be a producer, you ont need even to play piano to begin to produce, anyone can download warez and begin to produce, alot of producers have less than 17 years old, and when they begin to produce they begin wanting to sound like call it Tiesto, Armin, ATB etc, and very few begin producing with their own style, alot of them only listen to EDM, they dont have a wide musical background and maturity, so then all begins to sound the same and tends to be commercial.
Kopi =o.

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Originally posted by kopi_luwak now anyone can be a producer, you ont need even to play piano to begin to produce, anyone can download warez and begin to produce, alot of producers have less than 17 years old, and when they begin to produce they begin wanting to sound like call it Tiesto, Armin, ATB etc, and very few begin producing with their own style, alot of them only listen to EDM, they dont have a wide musical background and maturity, so then all begins to sound the same and tends to be commercial. Kopi =o.

True, there are so many new producers, but most of the product=crap because of the lack of musical background, not the fact that they want to sound like tiesto or armin or whoever. I hear so many tracks lately that have some nice elements but withought any musicality to it, which will inevitably lead the producer nowhere... it will still be those tracks with briliant melodic form, progression and well structured builds/harmony and soul that will generate a public response no matter if its from tiesto or from you.

So i say, sure- go ahead and try to sound like tiesto, but chances are you won't, and not only that, you won't be pleased with the material... but after a while you will develop that sound into something unique and unlike what you started out copying in the first place... why? because you will add 'you' to it, your heart/soul whatever and if you don't chances are that product will not stand out above the constant bleh...

yes cliche or not, sometimes its good to talk about, especially in a community that tries to build and move forward the sound.

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Originally posted by iloop True, there are so many new producers, but most of the product=crap because of the lack of musical background, not the fact that they want to sound like tiesto or armin or whoever. I hear so many tracks lately that have some nice elements but withought any musicality to it, which will inevitably lead the producer nowhere... it will still be those tracks with briliant melodic form, progression and well structured builds/harmony and soul that will generate a public response no matter if its from tiesto or from you. So i say, sure- go ahead and try to sound like tiesto, but chances are you won't, and not only that, you won't be pleased with the material... but after a while you will develop that sound into something unique and unlike what you started out copying in the first place... why? because you will add 'you' to it, your heart/soul whatever and if you don't chances are that product will not stand out above the constant bleh... yes cliche or not, sometimes its good to talk about, especially in a community that tries to build and move forward the sound.

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Dude, sorry, I cannot take your comment serious after this comment you did some weeks ago, I still remembering when you asked me over msg to send demos to the labels where I was signed of your music because you really needed to get signed soon as you told me, unfortunately, none was interested, then you made your pseudo label but since then I knew you was very hypocrital about making music for the love of music as you claim always, and with that comment in your thread then became really obvious, seriously, stop being so hypocrital, we are not eating it, besides, you just said exactly what I said but with other words Catalin.
Kopi =o.

Haha!

Now we all know kopi_luwak uses Cubase! snickers

[ducks from the random items thrown in his direction]


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Seriously though... if you feel like trance is "cramping your style" why bother posting? Just enjoy it for what you feel like it is and produce whatever other genre tickles your fancy.

As music, trance is alot like, well, sex. I've never had sex -- hell I've never even danced at ANY occasion (cries years of tears). Sex, from my virgin perspective, seems repetitive, sticks to a closed number of positions, but is still... well... very desireable. Trance is kind of like that... and trance always should have a climax (snickers).

I'm not trying to be vulgar. If this is, I apologize. Only humorous...

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Originally by kopi_luwak This debate it reminds me of academic music, the same discussion has been on the air during the last years *It is there something new for the music*, we have abused of the Major and minor mods, but honestly this in my opinion is crap, some of the must important and beautiful tunes ever are so simple, we have for example *yesterday* from the beatles, there's nothing new there, all is so tonal, but is considerated one of the must beautiful melodies from the last century.

Very true. Simplicity is easier to grab onto. Shakespear said in effect: "There are no new plays... only the actors change." That's true of books/movies... and even true of music. What makes one deny that statement is exactly why we keep on making books, movies, and yes, even trance.

Music used to be far more difficult to get initiated in. Before my parents were concieved, there was no Cubase, no FLStudio, no VSTs. Making music was all tangible, locational, and isolated... very isolated. My point is that making organized audio has become very simple to do in today's computing world. Therefore, people can take things for granted too much -- too many tools and no reflection of inner self. People like me, spending too much time babbling instead of playing their keyboard (runs away)...

PS - about my dancing comment, yes, I've never heard trance in a club.

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Originally posted by kopi_luwak then you made your pseudo label

ok here's a noob-ish question:

what is a pseudo label?

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Originally posted by R.j. ok here's a noob-ish question: what is a pseudo label?

A not serious label, now there's an invasion of digital labels, some like iloop open their own labels because no one wanted to sign them up, and others open one for the money or for to say *I have a label*, but they lack of alot of things for to be considerated a real label, good distribution, promotion, name, experience ABOVE all, but of course, there are some new labels that are serious and cool, but for every new serious label there are 9 pseudo labels.
In my opinion for to open a label, you need to be very experienced in the business, I mean, at least to have been signed to some serious labels in the past, to have a name, released alot of tunes, otherwise I consider them pseudo or wannabe labels, not offense.
Kopi =o.

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Originally posted by Four_On_Four-er Haha! Now we all know kopi_luwak uses Cubase! snickers [ducks from the random items thrown in his direction] ... Seriously though... if you feel like trance is "cramping your style" why bother posting? Just enjoy it for what you feel like it is and produce whatever other genre tickles your fancy. As music, trance is alot like, well, sex. I've never had sex -- hell I've never even danced at ANY occasion (cries years of tears). Sex, from my virgin perspective, seems repetitive, sticks to a closed number of positions, but is still... well... very desireable. Trance is kind of like that... and trance always should have a climax (snickers). I'm not trying to be vulgar. If this is, I apologize. Only humorous... Very true. Simplicity is easier to grab onto. Shakespear said in effect: "There are no new plays... only the actors change." That's true of books/movies... and even true of music. What makes one deny that statement is exactly why we keep on making books, movies, and yes, even trance. Music used to be far more difficult to get initiated in. Before my parents were concieved, there was no Cubase, no FLStudio, no VSTs. Making music was all tangible, locational, and isolated... very isolated. My point is that making organized audio has become very simple to do in today's computing world. Therefore, people can take things for granted too much -- too many tools and no reflection of inner self. People like me, spending too much time babbling instead of playing their keyboard (runs away)... PS - about my dancing comment, yes, I've never heard trance in a club.

Exactly .
Kopi =o.

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Originally posted by kopi_luwak Dude, sorry, I cannot take your comment serious after this comment you did some weeks ago, I still remembering when you asked me over msg to send demos to the labels where I was signed of your music because you really needed to get signed soon as you told me, unfortunately, none was interested, then you made your pseudo label but since then I knew you was very hypocrital about making music for the love of music as you claim always, and with that comment in your thread then became really obvious, seriously, stop being so hypocrital, we are not eating it, besides, you just said exactly what I said but with other words Catalin. Kopi =o.

DOn't take me seriously, why should i give a fuck?

Yea i did ask you to send my chillout stuff when you told me that your label was looking for some more stuff and that you would also send it to bonzai if I wanted. But i didnt REALLY need to get signed it was a spur of the moment question...

Pseudo label? Its a registered label/company... besides good music is good music, and if it takes starting your own label to expose your music cause the rest of the BIG reasonable labels that could actually gain you the same exposure is flooded with a bunch of shitty music then so be it. I happen to be in an unfortunate part of the world and cant be all in every labels face with cd demos that they actually listen to, as oposed to digital demos. Regardless, I wanted to start my own label before i got back from my eurotrip, but if i could get a big label backing me then all the better, but till some record label exec sees my stuff and goes WOW! and i actually agree to their terms and contract then why shouldt i get to the people? What? you think i haven't had label offers yet? most of them were shit... I even went to montreal to see label execs, but their demands were not my artistic view... (15% and we own your track, yey! )

About the cheeze comment, yea cheeze does sell, and maybe it was a stupid comment, but i like cheezy synth leads, so sue me if im trying to support myself from something i love doing...

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[Yea i did ask you to send my chillout stuff when you told me that your label was looking for some more stuff and that you would also send it to bonzai if I wanted. But i didnt REALLY need to get signed it was a spur of the moment question ...

Dude, seriously, you asked me, honestly I have listened to your chilled out stuff and I would never dare to offer you to send DEMOS, and you was like, I really need to get signed soon, so all that stuff about alot of labels goes wow with ur stuff is ridiculous because bonzai was not interested at all, neither the rest of the labels that got your demos, and let me tell you some people from TA have got signed to them by me ...

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I happen to be in an unfortunate part of the world and cant be all in every labels face with cd demos that they actually listen to

LOL, man I live in Mexico, too much worse than you and I am already signed to EMI UK, in a continent very far away from me or you ...

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so sue me if im trying to support myself from something i love doing ...

You missunderstood all, as you see, I am trying to support myself from music also, as alot of producers, but not producing something because sells, as you mentioned in your comment, you produce chezze because you have been told chezze sells right?, it is diferent to produce something you love because you love it, but you have mentioned you produce also chezze because sells ...

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15% and we own your track, yey!

That's ridiculous, I will give you an example, only major labels owns the copyright, and they give you about the 30% when they release a CD, more when all is only digital, so I dont know who gave you that offer because it's really bad, could you tell me the name of that label plz?.

And dude, to be registered as a company does not make any diference, you are still a pseudo label for me, you dont have the contacts, the money, the NAME, and above all the experience to be considerated a serious label, the only thing you do is to confuze amateurs producers and to waste their tunes, and to read your boards about your new releases and speaking of yourself in third person as brilliant, very talented is annoying, sorry.
Kopi =O.

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Originally posted by kopi_luwak This discussion has became a clitche mate, instead to think: *Trance is too standart*, begin to change the things producing something fresh and original . This debate it reminds me of academic music, the same discussion has been on the air during the last years *It is there something new for the music*, we have abused of the Major and minor mods, but honestly this in my opinion is crap, some of the must important and beautiful tunes ever are so simple, we have for example *yesterday* from the beatles, there's nothing new there, all is so tonal, but is considerated one of the must beautiful melodies from the last century. In my opinion, the issue about standart it is, now anyone can be a producer, you ont need even to play piano to begin to produce, anyone can download warez and begin to produce, alot of producers have less than 17 years old, and when they begin to produce they begin wanting to sound like call it Tiesto, Armin, ATB etc, and very few begin producing with their own style, alot of them only listen to EDM, they dont have a wide musical background and maturity, so then all begins to sound the same and tends to be commercial. Kopi =o.

I don't really think anyone can be a producer.
To produce you have to create something new. [check the dictionary]
Lasgo/Ejay users/cheesefest artists ect are not producers imo.
Also I try to be original with my tunes, I try to stand out, I try to be unique so pepole will notice me.
I'm 16/5 btw. So please stop generalizing. (I know you didn't do it on purpouse)

Omer

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Originally posted by Four_On_Four-er As music, trance is alot like, well, sex. Simplicity is easier to grab onto. Music used to be far more difficult to get initiated in. people can take things for granted too much -- too many tools and no reflection of inner self. People like me, spending too much time babbling instead of playing their keyboard (runs away)...

Word man...

i think its very important to stand out but its incredibly hard in trancesince everything has a standard..

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Originally posted by The Drow I don't really think anyone can be a producer. To produce you have to create something new. [check the dictionary] Lasgo/Ejay users/cheesefest artists ect are not producers imo. Also I try to be original with my tunes, I try to stand out, I try to be unique so pepole will notice me. I'm 16/5 btw. So please stop generalizing. (I know you didn't do it on purpouse) Omer

You dont have to produce something new to be a producer at all dude,

Producer definition
A person or business that makes or builds something:
assembler, builder, constructor, erector, maker, manufacturer, musician, filmaker, etc.

I can produce a 4x4 beat, with an off beat bass, nothing new at all, and I produced it, so your definition is totally wrong (Check the dictionary and try to understand it).
I have listened to your music, you are nothing original at all mate, so keep trying, and where am I generalizing?, I said ALOT of producers, never said all producers about your age, so dude, read better next time plz, ok? thanks.
Kopi =o.

damn kopi is on a flame raid here .

now hell problably assault me to for saying that ;D.

im 15... what difference does it make in the long run? XD

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Originally posted by Dj Cola damn kopi is on a flame raid here . now hell problably assault me to for saying that ;D. im 15... what difference does it make in the long run? XD

None, actually, I wish I would began at your age, I began at 22 years old, soo much time lost, I am sure pretty much all the producers about ur age over TA will be very cool, because the feedback given here is very helpful .
Kopi =o.

No, everything hasn't been done in my opinion

who are the producers nowadays?

the Virtual Studio Technology companies, Vengeance Soundbanks and samples, and other music application companies.. THOSE are making our music nowadays..

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Originally posted by Subtle who are the producers nowadays? the Virtual Studio Technology companies, Vengeance Soundbanks and samples, and other music application companies.. THOSE are making our music nowadays..

Even the most expensive synth can sound like crap.

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Originally posted by djglacial Even the most expensive synth can sound like crap.

yes, captain obvious, ofcourse

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Originally posted by kopi_luwak because the feedback given here is very helpful .

If only it was. These days people tend to be more into the ass-kissing rather than being honest. Very few tracks here get actual useful feedback.

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Originally posted by Subtle yes, captain obvious, ofcourse

Did you even read my quote?

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Originally posted by djglacial Did you even read my quote?

yes, and its quite obvious that even the most expensive synth can sound like crap..

but all synths have soundbanks which can often sound very good, and we have the vengeance banks, which helps everybody to sound just the same..

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