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Steve Nash as repeat MVP?

i really think Nash is up for his 2nd consecutive mvp. statistically he's doing better than last year, but team-wise, without Amare, the Suns are ranked 4th overall. impressive!

last week, the Suns lost to the Spurs with Nash out, but won last night with him back in



are there any other contenders? kobe is good, but he's not as valuable to his team's success as Nash.

yes? no?

I'd say Elton Brand and D Wade have to be MVP contenders...

and Shawn Marion should get some respect, after being a stud for so many years...

Re: Steve Nash as repeat MVP?

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Originally posted by Porky i really think Nash is up for his 2nd consecutive mvp. statistically he's doing better than last year, but team-wise, without Amare, the Suns are ranked 4th overall. impressive! last week, the Suns lost to the Spurs with Nash out, but won last night with him back in are there any other contenders? kobe is good, but he's not as valuable to his team's success as Nash. yes? no?

Well you say that because the Suns are shit without Nash, just as you saw on the spurs game, but even if Nash would of played againts the spurs, they will wouldnt have a chance in the playoffs againts them, like you saw last year. You cant clearly say that Nash is an MVP every year just because he is thier best player, because you know Nash will always be good and will always win the Suns games.

Personally I like Kobe as an MVP this year..but I doubt he will win because we dont know if first he will make the playoffs or not, and the lakers record isnt too good. Now I also think Billups and Parker should win it also, because they both have played great and have carried thier teams throughout this year and when the regular season ends, these two teams will propobly stand at the top.

Dirk is on that list too..but bottom line is, I dont think Nash should get it, then again I wouldnt mind him getting it, he is a GREAT player.

Can't never underestimate Kobe hype, esp. after that 81 pt performance...

It all depends how many people have their head up their ass.

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Originally posted by Kapedan Well you say that because the Suns are shit without Nash, just as you saw on the spurs game, but even if Nash would of played againts the spurs, they will wouldnt have a chance in the playoffs againts them, like you saw last year. You cant clearly say that Nash is an MVP every year just because he is thier best player, because you know Nash will always be good and will always win the Suns games. Personally I like Kobe as an MVP this year..but I doubt he will win because we dont know if first he will make the playoffs or not, and the lakers record isnt too good. Now I also think Billups and Parker should win it also, because they both have played great and have carried thier teams throughout this year and when the regular season ends, these two teams will propobly stand at the top. Dirk is on that list too..but bottom line is, I dont think Nash should get it, then again I wouldnt mind him getting it, he is a GREAT player.

nash:
the mvp award is not about the postseason, it's about who is most valuable in the regular season. i remeber the year b4 nash came to phoenix, the suns had Amare, Marion and joe johnson.. and they failed to get into the playoffs. one year later, he accounted for a 20 or 30 win differential. now that's an mvp. this year is almost the same. they lose Amare, Joe Johnson, Qrich and they're still winning the pacific

kobe:
awesome talent, but the mvp is about team win totals, and the lakers do not have enough wins to justify kobe an mvp

billups:
awesome point guard, but the fact that the team is winning due to the other 4 players and not solely due to billups will probably work against him

parker:
he's having a great season for a point guard, shooting over 50% even but statistically he's not even in the top50. if parker wins ppl will be outraged

dirkDiggler:
same issue as Billups. also i have Diggler on one of my fantasy teams and he is not dominating, sometimes coasting and allowing his teammates to do the work

I say Nash still deserves it.
Its not like his game has dropped off since last season, and who has gotten better? Certainly not Kobe, maybe Wade or Billups has, but as point guards go Nash owns both of them in assists, and his passing skills are just dazzling.

I don't even think Dirk should be considered for MVP. I know Nash can't play defense, but Dirk's defense is so porous, and its one of the main reasons the Mavs have never advanced to the finals.

If I'm not mistaken... the LA Clippers are in 5th in the west...

yeah... ELTON BRAND MVP....lol...

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Originally posted by King Ecnal If I'm not mistaken... the LA Clippers are in 5th in the west... yeah... ELTON BRAND MVP....lol...

that was such a good move for the bulls to get rid of him.

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Originally posted by jonze234 that was such a good move for the bulls to get rid of him.

IIRC Bulls didn't get much value in return...

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Originally posted by EvilTree IIRC Bulls didn't get much value in return...

that would explain why i have the whipping guy

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Originally posted by EvilTree IIRC Bulls didn't get much value in return...

i would take brand's solid career, over chandler's potential anyday



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also imagine if the bulls never traded any of their players

brad miller
elton brand
ron artest


and still have 20milion cap space to sign a quality guard

you think they'd have problems getting into the playoffs.. or even dominating the east?

Imagine if the Wizards never traded any of their players... they'd be the Pistons.

Richard Hamilton
Ben Wallace
Rasheed Wallace

they also gave up on Chris Webber.

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Originally posted by Spartan Imagine if the Wizards never traded any of their players... they'd be the Pistons. Richard Hamilton Ben Wallace Rasheed Wallace they also gave up on Chris Webber.

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haha, imagen if many things didnt or did happend my friend

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Originally posted by Porky i would take brand's solid career, over chandler's potential anyday

Chandler is bunk. He's got talent, but he doesn't show up for many games mentally.

Keep in mind, it's most valuable to his team. Nash is definately a contender, but I like Kobe for this one, not because of the team record, but because he statistically satisfies the requirement. Without Kobe, the Lakers are the worst team in the NBA. Other then Odom, who is less then par, there isn't a player on the Lakers that would make a starting lineup anywhere else in the league. Kobe has single handedly kept his team over 50% in prolly the strongest overall division/conference. But you can't take away from Nash, he's done alot for his team. I'm about 40/60 on this one

D-Wade should win it

and I still think Shaq shoudve won it last year

and no Im not being biased....

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Originally posted by Eddie N MIAMI and I still think Shaq shoudve won it last year and no Im not being biased....

I agree. Although I don't agree w/ Charles Barkley about how it was race-related.

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Originally posted by Eddie N MIAMI D-Wade should win it and I still think Shaq shoudve won it last year and no Im not being biased....

Well Shaq could of won it, but it was Nashs year, the first year there, and they had the best record in the NBA, hands down. Nash deserved it, no doubt.

D-Wade, no way, the Heat arent such a great team this year anyways, they have had all the peices, shaq has been there to help them etc etc. Nash didnt have Amare, and he was thier best player last year, points wise, so guess what Nash did this year, points and assits and everything else. I still think Kobe should win it just because like someone said, the Lakers are shit without him, he is thier MVP more then any other player in the NBA.

Since when is MVP the most valuable to his own team? If that's the case, Allen Iverson should've won last year. Without him, the 76ers would've won 12 games.

Well of course, I maen, I can name you all the top players in the NBA that are valuable to thier teams, but why are they etc etc, I think the MVP should be the player with the best record and the most valuble to his team, like duncan was back to back and nash etc etc..hard to judge really.

I think when deciding they favor players who make the players around them better - not by just making the team better by being on it.

For example Shaq's presence opens up looks for the outside game, and Nash's ball movement helps his players get open for higher percentage shots.

Now look at a player who's not being considered like Kevin Garnett. He is a very solid player who gets points, assists, and rebounds, but does not elevate his team like Shaq or Nash. At least not this year.

What I'm kind of trying to say is... put Allen Iverson on the Suns and Steve Nash on the 76ers and I bet this thread would be titled "Allen Iverson for MVP?"

nash > iverson

Nash last year reminded me Jason Kidd on his first Nets season, but Kidd didn't get the MVP... ��

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Originally posted by Spartan Imagine if the Wizards never traded any of their players... they'd be the Pistons. Richard Hamilton Ben Wallace Rasheed Wallace they also gave up on Chris Webber.

Imagine if the Blazers drafted MJ instead of that bowie gimp

Or even if John Nash(blazers GM) was never hired,Portlandcould have had a playoff team right now.

Or the warriors kept everyone:
J-Rich
Vince Carter
Larry Hughes
Gilbert Arenas
and Baron Davis

-they could actually afford half of them being injured everytime

Anyway Iverson was the MVP last year and he is the MVP this year,he is taking a Euroleague team to the NBA playoffs for fucksakes.
I have no doubt that if Iverson had Nash's team in last years playoff he would have beaten the Pistons\Spurs.
Lebron is also a nice contender for this year's MVP title.

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