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Posted by Flash Bastard on Jan-26-2002 12:34:

Beat mixing it's hard !!

Heej guys just wanna say something about beat mixing it is so freaking hard ... if the beat matched 4 8 sec i am happy but still thats not what i wan't ... what is your record of beat mixing .. and most of all do you have some tips ?


Posted by YuVaL on Jan-26-2002 13:27:

Re: Beat mixing it's hard !!

quote:
Originally posted by Flash Bastard
Heej guys just wanna say something about beat mixing it is so freaking hard ... if the beat matched 4 8 sec i am happy but still thats not what i wan't ... what is your record of beat mixing .. and most of all do you have some tips ?


first of all
what equip do u use???

cd decks / ttz?
what mixer??

give us details


Posted by Flash Bastard on Jan-26-2002 13:42:

I use turntables gemini 500 xl II ( the vinyl things ) and a numark 3001 mixer ( just simple mixer bass,treble, mid )


Posted by nils on Jan-26-2002 14:05:

quote:
Originally posted by Flash Bastard
I use turntables gemini 500 xl II ( the vinyl things ) and a numark 3001 mixer ( just simple mixer bass,treble, mid )


R they direct drive or band?
If not direct, i can understand you. BTW, how long have you played?

Trust in Trance!


Posted by Flash Bastard on Jan-26-2002 18:25:

direct drive .. i play 4 --> 3 weeks


Posted by dazzed on Jan-26-2002 18:42:

you think beat matching is hard now?

go pick up two songs with alternating beats, such as

hooligan - hear me now
creamer and k - i love you (hybrid mix)

and try to mix those!!!
haha no well beat matching just takes practice you need to train your ears.. try closing your eyes and concentrating on the two different beats...

when i really get into a mix i kind of feel the beat internally.. so even when there isnt a beat playing cuz a song is breaking down, i can still roughly match the beats cuz i feel it. the other day i wound up subconsciously breating to the beats.. it was funny i was beat matching great but i kept getting light headed and after an hour and a half my head hurt!

haha i love music


dazzed


Posted by Flash Bastard on Jan-26-2002 22:18:

Well hehe i did something cools to day

yesterday i match one beat !! that was great

2 day i matched 3 driffent tune's and it rocked i am starting 2 get it just take your time and know your tracks

Tnx all ... we are going to rock the scene


Posted by shompton on Jan-28-2002 08:22:

I think my biggest problem in learning to beatmatch was not understanding how crucial the release of the cue'd record is, and how important it is to work in the mindset of bars of 16 or 32 beats.

Quick advise would be start your record, cue up the other track to the start of a set of beats. Hold the cued track in that position and count the beats on the record playing (1,2,3,4 etc.). While you're counting in your head, try and release the cued track just as you count 8 in your head so they hit at the same time. Then listen and if the playing tracks runs away, figure out if your cued track needs to be altered up or down in pitch and go from there and start over.


Posted by nils on Jan-28-2002 15:57:

Hehehe....

God bless!


Posted by Flash Bastard on Jan-29-2002 20:35:

Well it's going better every day .. the only hard part is what track runs faster it's sometimes diffucelt to hear


Posted by Evil Teef on Jan-30-2002 05:40:

no really u just need to practie a bit


Posted by 69 KrAzY G 69 on Jan-30-2002 06:22:

Put on both chanels at once so u can hear both chanles on ur headphones then adjust the beat thats off till u hear both beats on top of eachother threw the headphoens. Simple as taht


Posted by 69 KrAzY G 69 on Jan-30-2002 06:22:

But yes practice makes perfect


Posted by nils on Jan-30-2002 07:35:

True, Krazy. But it's apperently easier for thoose whom have a "sense of music". Like i've always, since i was small, had no problems feeling the beat. So when i first tried, it didn't take so long. Then, when you've played for a while, you almost direct can hear which beat is faster/slower.

So, Respect, Flash Bastard! Don't give up [Really no reson]


Posted by DJTJ on Jan-31-2002 15:38:

Re: Beat mixing it's hard !!

quote:
Originally posted by Flash Bastard
what is your record of beat mixing ..

Well, yesterday I matched up in about 25 seconds, maybe less... and then left it in the mix for at least 5 minutes without touching the record. How's that?

But that was a one off, I think. Normally I can usually get away with leaving it in for about 30 seconds to a minute without correction, longer if I keep correcting it. I'm a big fan of long mixes, they're rarely shorter than a minute and a half unless there is a breakdown really early in the song or really late in the previous song.

It really does just take practice, if you keep at it then sooner or later you will be able to beatmatch without thinking about it, you will get a sense of exactly where to put the pitch slider as soon as you start the record and it will all come naturally. A natural sense of rhythm does help a lot, but even without this you can become an excellent DJ with practice. All it takes is a love of the music!


Posted by DJ LIQUID on Jan-31-2002 15:45:

What did you mean as in our record for beat mixing.......like 2+ tracks playing at once or live sets??

its pretty simple once you get the hang of it.....matching 2 trakz from beginning to end i guess for me


i can & have spin whole sets (1+hours) without screwing up .....that doesnt mean i dont screw up at all... no ones perfect


>>by the way ive been spinning for about 5 years now


Posted by Flash Bastard on Jan-31-2002 16:04:

hehe kwel kwel ... well i am not going to give up i have to much fun with it .... and i see progress every day


Posted by DJ LIQUID on Feb-01-2002 03:04:

quote:
Originally posted by Flash Bastard
hehe kwel kwel ... well i am not going to give up i have to much fun with it .... and i see progress every day


remember to record your practice sessions so u can listen to them later and see what you can fix.

Also after you've been at it for a while you can hear/track your progress......although sometimes it may not seem so..you're always getting better


Posted by phatdelt on Feb-01-2002 08:48:

for me it hasn't been hard to get the basics down. but i've been throwing myself into different techniques such as pitch control beat matching, etc.

turned the game around totally, but i'm learning to stress my cue points as well, which i know will help me in the end.


Posted by hapamoto on Feb-02-2002 05:36:

quote:
Originally posted by Flash Bastard
hehe kwel kwel ... well i am not going to give up i have to much fun with it .... and i see progress every day


thats great!! your first post made it seem like you were all down about not getting the hang of it but its awesome to see that you're not gonna give up.. if everyone gave up, there'd be no dj's in the world.. getting started is the hardest part, and its cool that you can say "i see progress every day".. we all have good days AND bad days.. the key is to just hang in there, if you think you can't, you won't!


Posted by djdawn on Feb-02-2002 09:01:

Re: Re: Beat mixing it's hard !!

quote:
Originally posted by DJTJ

Well, yesterday I matched up in about 25 seconds, maybe less... and then left it in the mix for at least 5 minutes without touching the record. How's that?

that is like IMPOSSIBLE on my equipment. Actually I have NEVER had them together for 5 minutes WITHOUT touching. When you are allowed to correct the differences, no problem...but otherwise: respect!
Actually, have you tried putting 2 records with the same BPM on two technics and putting the pitch on "0", they will NOT stay together for 5 minutes in most cases.


Posted by hapamoto on Feb-03-2002 04:44:

what can you expect? all decks are not 100% equal in pitch set at 0, but its not impossible to get a song to match for 5 mins, how can you say thats impossible?


Posted by dazzed on Feb-03-2002 04:58:

impossible, no
insanely hard. yes

one would like to think all technics are the quarts controlled and don't vary at all at 0. esp the ones w/ the reset button. but who knows.. i'm gonna try that some time w/ two of the same record

dazzed


Posted by djdawn on Feb-03-2002 08:22:

Re: Re: Re: Beat mixing it's hard !!

quote:
Originally posted by djdawn

that is like IMPOSSIBLE on my equipment.


guys, note that I said "on my equipment". I have one Technics and one Sony, and the Sony seems to have so much fluctuation that it IS impossible...I didn't say that I don't believe DJTJ.
Greets,
Dawn


Posted by Flash Bastard on Feb-03-2002 20:15:

maybe he has the same vinyl .... respect !!


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