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I heard from some friends who are planning a the trip to Ibiza with me that there is a EU law that forbids foreigners to stay in the EU for more then 90 days in a 6 months period without a Visa.

does anyone know anything about this? hopefully it won't affect me, but it might and it will affect some of my friends.

any info would help..esp info on how to avoid getting caught!

thanks

that is correct Andrea.

You are only allowed to stay in any EU country for 90 days without a visa. I don't know how to get around it, but I can try to find you some of the links I have with the info on it.

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Originally posted by magikb that is correct Andrea. You are only allowed to stay in any EU country for 90 days without a visa. I don't know how to get around it, but I can try to find you some of the links I have with the info on it.

that would be awesome! if you don't leave after the 90 days..and they don't find you, can they tell when u fly out that you have been there longer then 90 days?

how would you get caught? what are the chances of getting caught?

your passport will get stamped going in and out of the country, so they will know when you have entered the country. Whether or not they will say anything to you leaving since you have stayed longer than 90 days, I don't know, but I don't know if I would want to risk that or not either.

Anyhow, link for visa's in spain..
http://www.learn4good.com/travel/es_visa.htm

and I do have info for Holland as well, but I don't know if that is in your plans with your friends or not. Let me know if you do need it later.

Good luck!


Edit: Just so that you know, I have actually gotten my Visa for the NL approved last year and it really isn't that hard to do and it was approved for 6 months where I was able to work as well. It took me about 3 months to get everything I needed and go to the Consulate General in Toronto. So if your friends and you start now, it can be done before summer!

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Originally posted by magikb your passport will get stamped going in and out of the country, so they will know when you have entered the country. Whether or not they will say anything to you leaving since you have stayed longer than 90 days, I don't know, but I don't know if I would want to risk that or not either. Anyhow, link for visa's in spain.. http://www.learn4good.com/travel/es_visa.htm and I do have info for Holland as well, but I don't know if that is in your plans with your friends or not. Let me know if you do need it later. Good luck! Edit: Just so that you know, I have actually gotten my Visa for the NL approved last year and it really isn't that hard to do and it was approved for 6 months where I was able to work as well. It took me about 3 months to get everything I needed and go to the Consulate General in Toronto. So if your friends and you start now, it can be done before summer!

what type of visa did you get? i'm getting my dutch citizenship, so if won't apply to me, but none of them are going to holland. just ibiza. they've found it difficult to get a vise. they were told they need a company there to sponser them, basically saying that they will be hired for the full time. no company will do that if they have more then enough legal, eager workers coming from the UK. and most places won't hire till you get there

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Originally posted by spitty I heard from some friends who are planning a the trip to Ibiza with me that there is a EU law that forbids foreigners to stay in the EU for more then 90 days in a 6 months period without a Visa. does anyone know anything about this? hopefully it won't affect me, but it might and it will affect some of my friends. any info would help..esp info on how to avoid getting caught! thanks

Go out of the EU (maybe UK) and come back again. After the exit stamp and re-entry, your stay gets 'reset'. Thus you have another 90 days.

You may be able to leave the country after overstaying, but it 'may' be a gamble coming back again (but I am sure there are ways around it - proper documentation / explanation). But plan ahead. Do not risk it while you are there. Nothing is worth jeopardizing your trip / vacation. Spoils the fun.

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Originally posted by 4-play Go out of the EU (maybe UK) and come back again. Your stay gets 'reset' then.

it does?? i've heard conflicting stories about that. if it does, then all our worries are over!

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Originally posted by spitty it does?? i've heard conflicting stories about that. if it does, then all our worries are over!

I always fly out of the EU to the UK (thus getting an exit stamp while leaving the EU). With this you have left the EU and you can come back to the EU and stay for another 90 days at a strech. You may want to check the formalities / procedures when travelling by other means of transport.

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Originally posted by spitty what type of visa did you get?

I got a working holiday visa. It was for the majority purpose of travelling within Holland but it also allowed me to work if I had too. You just have to check in with the police within 3 days of entering the country to get all your documentation and such.

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Originally posted by 4-play With this you have left the EU and you can come back to the EU and stay for another 90 days at a strech.

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Originally posted by spitty there is a EU law that forbids foreigners to stay in the EU for more then 90 days in a 6 months period without a Visa.

^^ So if what YOU say is true Fuad, then what the law really is is "more than 90 CONSECUATIVE DAYS in a 6 month period without a Visa." ???

Bc if not, if you leave hten come back, you're still within tthat6 month period and over 90 days in total!

Jem

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Originally posted by Jem_hadar ^^ So if what YOU say is true Fuad, then what the law really is is "more than 90 CONSECUATIVE DAYS in a 6 month period without a Visa." ??? Bc if not, if you leave hten come back, you're still within tthat6 month period and over 90 days in total! Jem

Taken from the Dutch Consulate of Toronto website:
http://www.mfa.nl/tor/general_consu...n_you_require_a

*The below guidelines are for a visit. There are different procedures for a work permit / visa. I would suggest calling any of the Schengen state consulates for more accurate / precise info.

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I want to stay in the Netherlands for longer than three months. What do I require? To stay for an uninterrupted period of more than three months, you will require a special visa called an authorisation for temporary stay (MVV). Such a visa is required by the nationals of all countries except the EU member states and a few other countries. Countries whose nationals do not need an MVV for a stay of over three months Australia Austria Belgium Canada Denmark Finland France Germany Greece Iceland Ireland Italy Japan Liechtenstein Luxembourg Monaco New Zealand Norway Portugal Spain Sweden Switzerland United Kingdom United States

if you are there past 3 months, just go across to morroco for a few days and come back. You should have your stay reset and you get to see a really cool part of the world that is not very far away from spain (just across the channel)

I don't really understand what a Visa is all about.

From what I've gathered it is acutally a Visa (like a credit card) that gives you permission to be in a certain country for a predetermined length of time for a specific reason (work/family).

What I don't understand is why "Visa"? And why a credit card?
Can you let someone borrow your visa? Like you might let someone borrow your car?

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Originally posted by Dj EndgamE I don't really understand what a Visa is all about. From what I've gathered it is acutally a Visa (like a credit card) that gives you permission to be in a certain country for a predetermined length of time for a specific reason (work/family). What I don't understand is why "Visa"? And why a credit card? Can you let someone borrow your visa? Like you might let someone borrow your car?

It's one of those sovereignty measures that a country uses.

And no, you can't transfer a visa.

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Originally posted by EvilTree It's one of those sovereignty measures that a country uses. And no, you can't transfer a visa.

I can completely understand their purpose, but why an actual like...credit card? Can you use it to buy stuff?

(me=total n00b, never been on a plane before)

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Originally posted by Dj EndgamE I can completely understand their purpose, but why an actual like...credit card? Can you use it to buy stuff? (me=total n00b, never been on a plane before)

No, it's just a piece of paper saying that you're allowed to visit a country for how many days for what purpose.

I hear there's a good hostel in Bratislava.

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Originally posted by magikb I got a working holiday visa. It was for the majority purpose of travelling within Holland but it also allowed me to work if I had too. You just have to check in with the police within 3 days of entering the country to get all your documentation and such.

That's what I would have recommended - working holiday visa. I think it's fairly easy for Canadian citizens to obtain. If you or your friends are going to work, then better to work legally and avoid risk of getting in any immigration trouble.

BTW magikb - when you were working - did you have to pay income taxes and if so, did you get them back somehow?

If you are getting Dutch citizenship before you leave, then you shouldn't have a problem staying for the summer and working.

Also I doubt you can just leave the country and re-enter to "reset" your time of stay like people are saying - if that was the case then a lot of people would do that continually and actually live in countries but claim they are just visiting. I don't htink the governments would allow that.

I'm pretty sure its 90 days (or whatever time period it is) TOTAL within the 6 months. Just like if you stay in a country (having a passport/citizenship) for more than 6 months total (not just consecutively) you are considered a resident and therefore have to pay taxes.

Good luck!

Having a Dutch citizenship gets you EU citizenship. Shouldnt be worried if you get EU citizenship. You can stay indefinitly.

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Originally posted by drgoodvibe Having a Dutch citizenship gets you EU citizenship. Shouldnt be worried if you get EU citizenship. You can stay indefinitly.

she is asking for her friends.

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Originally posted by StereoPrincess she is asking for her friends.

my bad.. ^5..

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Originally posted by spitty it does?? i've heard conflicting stories about that. if it does, then all our worries are over!

In my case I went to Ireland then a few days afterwards flew (from Dublin) to London for the day, came back and they stamped it again in Ireland with the new date stating that I was permitted to stay for 3 months from the new date. So i'm guessing what Mr Fuad is saying makes sense, however i would double check because they most likely have other blanket rules for this. Also, my passport did get checked/stamped when leaving Belgium the last 2 times.

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Originally posted by ** TigerLily ** Also I doubt you can just leave the country and re-enter to "reset" your time of stay like people are saying - if that was the case then a lot of people would do that continually and actually live in countries but claim they are just visiting. I don't htink the governments would allow that.

You can and i have done it.

I was in argentina for 4 months, they only allow 3 without a visa. A quick trip to Uruguay solved that problem. But best check the foreign embassy for the details. If it says 90 day periods with no maximums per year than you are set.

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Originally posted by loconet In my case I went to Ireland then a few days afterwards flew (from Dublin) to London for the day, came back and they stamped it again in Ireland with the new date stating that I was permitted to stay for 3 months from the new date. So i'm guessing what Mr Fuad is saying makes sense, however i would double check because they most likely have other blanket rules for this. Also, my passport did get checked/stamped when leaving Belgium the last 2 times.

most countries also have exit customs. Canada and the US do not which is why it seems so foreign to us.

You could probably get away with overstaying your visa in Canada. Not so most anywhere else.

Andrea - I will offically be in Ibiza Aug 3-14

tickets purchased
apartment booked

please hit me up if you make it over to the other side

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