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Posted by Khayat on Mar-16-2006 11:11:

Confused best Software

Hey guys i was looking forward to spend some money on buying some softwares so i was asking wut do u guys propose for me to buy.I am using a windows based computer not a mac.I'm looking for something powerful and easy not confusing
-Emagic logic 5.5
-Cubase
-Sonar
or wut do u think???
Thanks for the help


Posted by richg101 on Mar-16-2006 11:18:

no sonar.. less use it so its harder to ask advise on it here.

i use cubase and whenever i need help people here know the answer..


Posted by Low Profile on Mar-16-2006 14:32:

Powerful and not confusing don't go together in a sentence
Cubase is most powerful IMO, that's why I use it. It's got the most features and I use many of them. If you need something simpler I suggest FL Studio or Reason (although Reason is a different kind of "confusing" ). I've never used Sonar, but Logic is maybe not your best option since it's no longer supported for PC (now it's mac only, and they've release 2 new versions since 5.5, if I'm not mistaken...)


Posted by Aquascape on Mar-16-2006 14:44:

Re: best Software

Yeah, Low Profile is correct - Logic is now exclusively Mac based and has been for some time.

Cubase and Sonar are both widely used and well regarded.

Also consider Ableton Live, FL Studio and Reason.

Download demos and see what you like the best. If you make a purchase based on what someone else recommends you'll probably get the wrong thing.



Steinberg.net
Cakewalk.com (Sonar)
Ableton.com
FLStudio.com
Propellerheads.se (Reason)


Posted by Storyteller on Mar-16-2006 16:47:

none of the above mentioned programs is better or even the best. What matters is the user interface. Does it work for you personally? Do you like the workflow? does the interface inspire you to experiment? etc. etc.

These kind questions have no answer. It is up to every individual for himself to decide which is best. Good luck trying to find your best tool.


Posted by djlogik on Mar-16-2006 17:05:

Go ahead and download the demos and see which fancies you most ;P You'l figure out which one you enjoy more. Post which one you feel you enjoy the most and we'll give you some feedback on all the features or something. Good luck!


Posted by funkysouls on Mar-16-2006 18:18:

Fruity loops is the easiest of all to start with.

u can later switch on to Reason,Cubase etc


Posted by Liran-A on Mar-16-2006 18:55:

quote:
Originally posted by funkysouls
Fruity loops is the easiest of all to start with.

u can later switch on to Reason,Cubase etc


Right
Start with a simple program and after a while you can switch on to a professional one.


Posted by staticblue on Mar-16-2006 19:05:

quote:
Originally posted by Liran-A
Right
Start with a simple program and after a while you can switch on to a professional one.



I hope you didn't mean FL isn't a profesionnal program


* starts a 13 page long flamewar *


Posted by Liran-A on Mar-16-2006 19:28:

quote:
Originally posted by staticblue
I hope you didn't mean FL isn't a profesionnal program


* starts a 13 page long flamewar *


I know, many people are about to say that it's not the program, but the person who's doing the job

But I still in a mind that a professional producer (like Armin, Marco V) have to work with a more powerful program like Logic\Cubase

Don't you agree with me?


Posted by thoughtlessjex on Mar-16-2006 19:33:

quote:
Originally posted by Liran-A
Right
Start with a simple program and after a while you can switch on to a professional one.

This isn't necessarily the case. If someone begins with FL Studio, then in many cases, the learning curve for switching to Cubase goes through the roof, because the two programs are so different. It goes the other way, too; many Cubase users find Floops to be confusing as hell. It's best to find the program that works for you and stick with it.

And please, try to put a little thought into your post before you even imply that Floops is less "professional" (Whatever the hell that means) than Cubase.

quote:
Originally posted by Liran-A
But I still in a mind that a professional producer (like Armin, Marco V) have to work with a more powerful program like Logic\Cubase

Don't you agree with me?

And BT uses Reason. Flutlicht uses FL Studio, as does Mike Oldfield.


Posted by djglacial on Mar-16-2006 20:45:

FL should be renamed to "Professional Audio Production Environment Pro - Ultimate Pro Trance Producer Edition"

, and then it might be regarded in a better light.

It would probably improve sound quality too.


Posted by Mr.Mystery on Mar-16-2006 20:57:

eJay.


Posted by staticblue on Mar-16-2006 21:06:

quote:
Originally posted by Liran-A

But I still in a mind that a professional producer (like Armin, Marco V) have to work with a more powerful program like Logic\Cubase

Don't you agree with me?


Well, they dont HAVE to, but it seems like Armin and Marco V chose the program they prefered and it was a good choice for them since they have made some great stuff with it

That doesn't mean it has to be a reference program for the next 40 years though, there are other great pieces of software out there


Posted by Aquascape on Mar-16-2006 21:19:

I'm a FL user and it's definitely a very good app, capable of producing excellent, very professional results. However it does have limits and I believe for most people, fully fledged sequencers like Cubase and Sonar offer more possibilities if they intend to go totally 100% 'Ferry Corsten' professional. However the argument as to whether FL can exist in a professional setup rests with the producer in question and if it suits their way of working.

I don't see the point in upgrading from FL Studio to Reason tbh. They are both software studios and although Reason is more expensive, I think this is because Reason comes with better instruments and effects initially. FL Studio is VST compatible (Reason isn't) and after purchasing it you can look to third party companies for better quality stuff if you want it. So they're very much on par.


Posted by Storyteller on Mar-16-2006 21:27:

quote:
Originally posted by thoughtlessjex

And BT uses Reason.


Try not to forget all the other stuff. Like tons of VST's as well.


Posted by djglacial on Mar-16-2006 21:28:

quote:
Originally posted by Aquascape
I'm a FL user and it's definitely a very good app, capable of producing excellent, very professional results. However it does have limits and I believe for most people, fully fledged sequencers like Cubase and Sonar offer more possibilities if they intend to go totally 100% 'Ferry Corsten' professional. However the argument as to whether FL can exist in a professional setup rests with the producer in question and if it suits their way of working.


What does cubase have over FL?

You say fully-fledged sequencers... so far the only thing I don't like about FL is the inability to reset the playlist grid to follow a measure that has been moved ahead or behind by a bar or a beat... and the inability to cut patterns in half. Other than that, I can't see anything for want.

Routing could be improved, but I can't see it happenning. The infrastructure's not there. There could be workarounds, but I think the creators are ... stubborn.

[edit]

And I'm not trying to be contrary, I know I improve with every new working environment. New interfaces help you become more resourceful.


Posted by WiKKid sKiLLz on Mar-16-2006 21:44:

cubase looks very tasty to me...

i think i might buy it in about a month


Posted by ronk on Mar-16-2006 21:53:

quote:
Originally posted by Mr.Mystery
eJay.

+1

great features, supports vsts, professional interface, great sound engine etc..the best software out there.


Posted by WiKKid sKiLLz on Mar-16-2006 21:57:

Rave eJay is better than eJay by far


it has 192k sampling over infinite virtual tracks, AND it runs on LINUX


Posted by Mr.Mystery on Mar-16-2006 22:13:

quote:
Originally posted by WiKKid sKiLLz
Rave eJay is better than eJay by far


it has 192k sampling over infinite virtual tracks, AND it runs on LINUX

Er... Rave eJay is eJay...


Posted by WiKKid sKiLLz on Mar-16-2006 22:20:

rave ejay is an ejay software, but it is not the newer ejay program


Posted by Mr.Mystery on Mar-16-2006 22:27:

Okay then.


Posted by WiKKid sKiLLz on Mar-16-2006 22:34:

i know because i used it when i was bored, back in '98 :x


how embarassing!


the jungle loops are pretty satisfying though


Posted by slyfoxark on Mar-17-2006 00:43:

I'm gonna give Cubase a try now. I've been using FL Studio for the past approx 2.5 years and i'm ready to try to move on to something new. Lately i've been getting kind of frustrated with the limits of the program. (My most recent annoyance was not finding the "Smart disable for all" option in the mixer of V6... wtf?) The automation clips were nice when I had 1 or 2 of them, but now that I'm using upwards toward 10, it gets really confusing and annoying. Plus I'm told there are many advantages to Cubase by many of the producers i'm in contact with. Anyway, no doubt FL Studio can get the ball rolling on production. I just dont know if its truly up to par with these other programs. (I mean, it can get up to where the other programs are with 3rd party plugins, but on its own no way) I'd like to remain neutral in the sequencer wars, so dont flame me... I left my flame retardant pajamas upstairs.

- Adam


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