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Posted by Icone on Mar-18-2006 20:47:

Producing under WinXP 64bit?

Hey all,

I was wondering if it was feasible producing under a 64bit environment these days. As far as I heard, most rudimentary drivers are also available in 64bit at the moment?

Does anyone know whether the 64bit version of WinXP is (preferably a whole lot) more stable than the usual WinXP?

All in all, is it recommendable to switch to the 64bit enviroment?

Thanks!

Greetz,
Wim

Posted by echosystm on Mar-18-2006 23:28:

I dont know from personal experience, but I would say stabilitity could be a bit of a pickle (seeing as the whole 64-32bit emulation thing must complicate things somewhat). But yeah most major hardware components have 64-bit drivers now.

Give it a go! Performance would be great, and theres really nothing to lose other than time/effort

Maybe install it on a different HD?

PS. Give us some benchmarks if you do it ;P

Posted by fr0st on Mar-18-2006 23:43:

windows 64 the drivers suck for the most part. Wait till vista for a 64bit OS.

Posted by Icone on Mar-19-2006 00:00:

I read a 'review' of some kind on www.thehotfix.net about someone installing windows xp 64bit for the first time; he seemed pretty convinced about it.

fr0st - just out of curiosity - did you encounter problems yourself with winxp 64bit, or are you only a bit prejudiced?

Posted by fr0st on Mar-19-2006 00:54:

quote:
Originally posted by Icone
I read a 'review' of some kind on www.thehotfix.net about someone installing windows xp 64bit for the first time; he seemed pretty convinced about it.

fr0st - just out of curiosity - did you encounter problems yourself with winxp 64bit, or are you only a bit prejudiced?

My problems were with unsuported drivers for a NVIDIA graphics card, it takes them longer to develope them, as i said before just wait for 5 months until conroe and vista come out and all will be gravy.

I cant comment on audio drivers(as i use osx for audio), but im assuming companies will still prioritize xp over xp64

Posted by DeZmA on Mar-19-2006 13:11:

Hello Wim,
I don't think it's worth the money right now considering vista is launched in a few months (october - november). Then again, Windows is offering 120 days trial (http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/...tion/trial.mspx )so you can judge for yourself. AFAIK the 64 bit version isn't more stable, but merely gives a better performance on 64 bit programs, if you have a 64 bit processor.

Posted by thecYrus on Mar-19-2006 13:22:

the only advantage i can see now is if you want to use more thn 4 GB RAM.. other than that it wouldn't increase the performance noticable.

i don't have even drivers for a lot of my hardware (RME Multiface, TC Powercore, Access Virus TI, ..) so i won't switch to a x64 system. i'm satisified with my current setup and have more then enough performance headroom so i don't reach the maximale cpu usage with current projects.

Posted by Monkey Mouse on Mar-19-2006 13:51:

Cakewalk's Sonar 5 has a 64 bit version - which includes all the effects and plug ins in 64 bit format. Supposedly there is also a wrapper that allows you to run 32 bit plug ins in the 64 bit OS without major problems. MOTU supposedly has 64 bit drivers for its interfaces also - but if you have some other brand, you are probably out of luck until they start supporting 64 bit.

Posted by gk_nz on Mar-20-2006 08:51:

I built and use two 64 bit systems at work. They have 3.7 ghz 64 bit amd cpus with windows xp 64 bit. I have had no problems with drivers and it was easily setup... stability is fine. I've only had one major software problem and that was with norton antivirus not installing, because it doesnt allow to be installed on win xp 64.

Otherwise I've found 32bit programs run fine on win xp 64.

Posted by fr0st on Mar-20-2006 09:01:

quote:
Originally posted by gk_nz
I built and use two 64 bit systems at work. They have 3.7 ghz 64 bit amd cpus with windows xp 64 bit. I have had no problems with drivers and it was easily setup... stability is fine. I've only had one major software problem and that was with norton antivirus not installing, because it doesnt allow to be installed on win xp 64.

Otherwise I've found 32bit programs run fine on win xp 64.

but did you find any advantages?

Posted by Icone on Mar-20-2006 14:23:

I own both Win2k, WinXP and WinXP64 OEM's... What would basically be the best option to go for with music production?

I have a Dual Core AMD CPU, for which NO drivers appear come for Win2k though (only XP's)... Would that be a problem? Or do you have no need for that driver to get the best out of your PC even on Win2k?

Cheers,
Wim

Posted by fr0st on Mar-20-2006 17:43:

use windows xp pro, also dl the sp2 patch for x2 processors.

http://support.microsoft.com/?id=896256

Posted by gk_nz on Mar-21-2006 02:08:

quote:
Originally posted by fr0st
but did you find any advantages?

For programs that support 64 bit processing they are farking fast its quite noticable! 32 bit stuff runs very very fast as well due to the clock speed of the cpu itself. I haven't had a real chance to use intense audio or graphic's programs yet but basically they will see the real benefits of 64bit processing....

Posted by Miss Bliss on Mar-21-2006 05:00:

quote:
Originally posted by gk_nz
For programs that support 64 bit processing they are farking fast its quite noticable! 32 bit stuff runs very very fast as well due to the clock speed of the cpu itself. I haven't had a real chance to use intense audio or graphic's programs yet but basically they will see the real benefits of 64bit processing....

Yeah no doubt about that but as i said drivers are problematic and vista is arround the corner...

IMO wait till vista for 64bit or get a mac

Posted by hereander on Mar-21-2006 12:40:

as for the sonar-32bit-bridge... i have seen many problems with vsti's so I switched back to win32

Posted by /I\ on Mar-21-2006 19:12:

Been thinking about making the hardware move up myself, but totally switchin to 64bit OS is another story . From what I have googled so far AMD64 bit is rocksolid but some MoBos can give problems

some examples so far ...

from RME

http://www.rme-audio.com/english/te...rme_amd_tab.pdf

list of users running PoCos on dif systems with nps

http://powercore.noheaven.com/viewtopic.php?t=790

X2 and poco ... obviously ignore this one cuase its PoCo related but still a good example of some other problems

http://powercore.noheaven.com/viewtopic.php?t=1269

Posted by Icone on Mar-22-2006 10:26:

quote:
Originally posted by fr0st
use windows xp pro, also dl the sp2 patch for x2 processors.

http://support.microsoft.com/?id=896256

I have downloaded this patch from thehotfix.net, though I hardly see any improvement regarding speed or stability though?

God I hate XP

Posted by farris on Mar-23-2006 01:54:

Slighty offtopic, but someone mentioned waiting for Vista. I read it has been pushed back to early 2007 instead of late 2006. Think they found some bugs and need an extra couple of months . Seriously tho, think it has been set back a month or two.

- farris

Posted by thecYrus on Mar-23-2006 05:45:

quote:
Originally posted by farris
Slighty offtopic, but someone mentioned waiting for Vista. I read it has been pushed back to early 2007 instead of late 2006. Think they found some bugs and need an extra couple of months . Seriously tho, think it has been set back a month or two.

- farris

well, it's only pushed back for private user.. who cares.

Posted by Icone on Mar-23-2006 13:52:

Hmm... Guess I'll still have to bear using WinXP Then.

I'll give WinXP 64bit a shot later on, if I'm convinced I'll let you guys know.