MP3/WAV ect & playing out (in a club)

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Posted by Daniel Jay on Mar-22-2006 01:23:

MP3/WAV ect & playing out (in a club)

What is the deal with bitrates?

I know 320 is pretty much CD quality & can be played out in clubs. How bad does 192 sound when played out? What is VBR?

Can you convert a 192 bitrate MP3 to a 320 one?

I am looking to get Final Scratch 2 & using a combination of MP3 & Vinyl...

Also I use iTunes to organize my music & iVolume to try & get it all the same volume. My question is does iVolume affect the track in terms of playing it out in a club?

Posted by Mr.Mystery on Mar-22-2006 01:45:

Deja-vu anyone?

Posted by on Mar-22-2006 02:01:

See this thread to answer your question

Posted by Spirit5 on Mar-22-2006 02:13:

Re: MP3/WAV ect & playing out (in a club)

quote:
Originally posted by Daniel Jay
Can you convert a 192 bitrate MP3 to a 320 one?

Yes but I doubt you'll notice much of a difference....just like converting a 320 to a WAV, no difference really...once the info is compressed into a 320, you wont get that info back. It's only a small amount though, so really 320 Kbps is fine, 192 for that matter is fine as well, anything below that is questionable, but do try to only keep it 192 and above if you have to.

Posted by Spirit5 on Mar-22-2006 02:17:

Re: MP3/WAV ect & playing out (in a club)

quote:
Originally posted by Daniel Jay
What is VBR?

Variable Bitrate, it means that there isn't a consistent Bitrate throughout so at different points in the track, low or high, determines what the bitrate is. It goes all over from like 192 to say 256 at different points in a track. I've heard 320 kbps MP3s and 192 Kbps VBRs and there isn't much of a difference (buy the same track on beatport, one 320 Kbps CBR MP3 and the other 192 Kbps VBR MP4 and you'll see, not much of a difference). I haven't heard 320 Kbps VBR MP3s, I don't even know if they exist. I have heard that VBR does bring out some highs better in certain tracks, I don't really think that's true though, esp with a 320 Kbps MP3 encoded with LAME, that's top notch quality, the closest your going to get to a WAV on an MP3...

Posted by T-Soma on Mar-22-2006 05:08:

GiGo = Garbage in, Garbage Out.
I dont know why people ask can you convert a lower quality sample to higher quality. Its obviouse... You can not add something that is not there.

Posted by Spirit5 on Mar-22-2006 05:25:

quote:
Originally posted by DJ 00 Tommy
GiGo = Garbage in, Garbage Out.
I dont know why people ask can you convert a lower quality sample to higher quality. Its obviouse... You can not add something that is not there.

Exactly...

Posted by Aquarian on Mar-22-2006 15:14:

You could probably get away with playing lesser known songs at 192, seeing as no one really has anything to compare it to. Besides, alot of it has to do with how the track was mastered. I have 192kbps mp3s that sound MUCH better than some 320kbps or CD tracks.

Posted by Pinokio on Mar-22-2006 17:13:

quote:
Originally posted by Aquarian
You could probably get away with playing lesser known songs at 192, seeing as no one really has anything to compare it to. Besides, alot of it has to do with how the track was mastered. I have 192kbps mp3s that sound MUCH better than some 320kbps or CD tracks.

That's True.

Just Keep the quality over 192 kbps and everythign will be fine.

Posted by Pinokio on Mar-22-2006 17:17:

Re: MP3/WAV ect & playing out (in a club)

quote:
Originally posted by Daniel Jay
What is the deal with bitrates?

I know 320 is pretty much CD quality & can be played out in clubs. How bad does 192 sound when played out? What is VBR?

Can you convert a 192 bitrate MP3 to a 320 one?

I am looking to get Final Scratch 2 & using a combination of MP3 & Vinyl...

Also I use iTunes to organize my music & iVolume to try & get it all the same volume. My question is does iVolume affect the track in terms of playing it out in a club?

I don't know about Ivolume
but I use Mp3gain, and it works fine

http://mp3gain.sourceforge.net/

Posted by Daniel Jay on Mar-22-2006 17:36:

It (mp3gain) doesnt seem to be available for OS X...

Posted by wee_rooney on Mar-22-2006 18:11:

Re: Re: MP3/WAV ect & playing out (in a club)

quote:
Originally posted by Spirit5
Yes but I doubt you'll notice much of a difference....just like converting a 320 to a WAV, no difference really...

quote:
Originally posted by DJ 00 Tommy
I dont know why people ask can you convert a lower quality sample to higher quality. Its obviouse... You can not add something that is not there.

quote:
Originally posted by Spirit5
Exactly...

wtf

you just said he could

Posted by Spirit5 on Mar-22-2006 18:40:

Re: Re: Re: MP3/WAV ect & playing out (in a club)

quote:
Originally posted by wee_rooney
wtf

you just said he could

You can convert a 320 to a WAV but there will be nothing added. I've tried it...the 320s are already compressed so you cannot add something that isn't there as DJ 00 Tommy pointed out, and I agreed with him. It wasn't that you can't convert, you can...it just doesn't make any difference in sound quality when you do...

Posted by wee_rooney on Mar-22-2006 18:49:

he asked if you can convert a 192 to 320.

you said yes.

then agreed with Dj00Tommy when he said no, because you cant add anything!

make yer fuckin mind up!

Posted by Spirit5 on Mar-22-2006 18:52:

quote:
Originally posted by wee_rooney
he asked if you can convert a 192 to 320.

you said yes.

then agreed with Dj00Tommy when he said no, because you cant add anything!

make yer fuckin mind up!

Sorry misread what he said. But you can convert a 192 to a 320 as well and you wont notice much either....so either way...

Posted by Basstard on Mar-22-2006 18:56:

you wont notice ANYTHING because you are not improving the sound quality AT ALL.

Posted by Spirit5 on Mar-22-2006 18:58:

quote:
Originally posted by Basstard
you wont notice ANYTHING because you are not improving the sound quality AT ALL.

Exactly that is what I've been saying.

Posted by wee_rooney on Mar-22-2006 18:58:

no you havent

Posted by Spirit5 on Mar-22-2006 19:00:

quote:
Originally posted by wee_rooney
no you havent
'

Uh where have I said you are gaining anything? I said in my first post you wont gain from converting 320 to WAV, nor 192 to 320, there's no difference.

Posted by Spirit5 on Mar-22-2006 19:03:

Re: Re: MP3/WAV ect & playing out (in a club)

quote:
Originally posted by Spirit5
Yes but I doubt you'll notice much of a difference....just like coverting a 320 to a WAV, no difference really.... ..once the info is compressed into a 320, you wont get that info back. It's only a small amount though, so really 320 Kbps is fine, 192 for that matter is fine as well, anything below that is questionable, but do try to only keep it 192 and above if you have to.

Ok maybe I should have said "you wont notice any difference" out right but that is what I essentially said in this post. So no big deal...

Posted by on Mar-22-2006 20:08:

Ladies Ladies, we all know what was meant.. I hope.

Posted by T-Soma on Mar-23-2006 08:16:

quote:
Originally posted by J:\Digital
Ladies Ladies, we all know what was meant.. I hope.

Exactly

...

Posted by tvmann on Mar-23-2006 16:38:

Also check out a similar recent thread for more discussion of mp3/wav:
http://www.tranceaddict.com/forums/...12&pagenumber=1

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http://members.shaw.ca/adams7/Beedu...x_1_ABR_114.mp3

Posted by MERiDiAN5i2 on Mar-23-2006 20:31:

so apple has iTunes and iVolume.. whats next, iFlamer?

You might find this handy for your adventure in digital posership...
http://www.waves.com/content.asp?id=1529

Posted by Daniel Jay on Mar-23-2006 23:27:

Erm I dont think iVolume is actually from Apple...