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Posted by mylespower on Mar-24-2006 03:21:

getting fitted for earplugs tomorrow

hey guys... im finally going for it

after reading freak's thread last year ive been meaning to do this for some time now

anyway... the person on the phone insisted that i go for the er-25's for nightclub use


anyone here use the er-25's.....?

anyone have any issues with the er-15's being to mild?



please reply quick.. im going tomorrow lol


Posted by nrjizer on Mar-24-2006 04:59:

Can't you buy separate filters for your custom fit earplugs, and swap them as necessary? (The filters are what lower the sound, meaning you can change from 15db to 25db whenever you want).

I can only speculate here, but it seems to me like the average club wouldn't normally top 110dB (I could be completely wrong). 15dB reduction would leave you at around 95dB, which is apparantly safe for up to 4 hours before any real damage can begin. So if you're planning to be in the club all night long, every weekend, you might want more.

The only thing I can really tell you from experience is how my ER-20's worked for me (those are the one-size-fits-all cheap ones). They have a reduction level of around 16dB. I wore them at WMC last year. I could go into Space (LOUD) and get punched in the ribs with bass for 10-12 hours a night, and come out the next morning with nearly fresh ears. They felt a little bit worn out (a common feeling), but I had no ringing, no pain, no difficulty hearing common sounds, and within 30-60 minutes my ears felt as good as new. I could hardly stand to take them out, the shrill highs were just screaming in my ear. Without them, I'd have been fucking deaf by morning.


Posted by mylespower on Mar-24-2006 05:00:

no clue.... if i did... i would have to pay more money for new filters

these plugs are for club use only... and djing... thats it


Posted by nrjizer on Mar-24-2006 05:21:

I added a few more thoughts to my above post, in case you might have missed it...

Are you going to get a mold taken tomorrow, or are you actually going to purchase the earplugs tomorrow? If you're just getting the mold, I'm sure you could wait a few days before having it sent, or call the company and ask them to wait a few days before making your earplugs.

If you can get a few days time, order some ER-20's overnight and wear them to a club ($20). They are worth 16dB of reduction. If they're good enough, get the 15s. If not, get the 25s.

I wish they would offer us a fitted plug that's worth 20db!


Posted by mylespower on Mar-24-2006 06:54:

yeah im going to be using them for djing too... those monitors can be so harsh



and yeah... the shrill of the highs can be unbearable


Posted by Alekos on Mar-24-2006 08:23:

How much did u pay for them and where did u get them?


Posted by mylespower on Mar-24-2006 08:24:

http://www.protectear.com/ca2.se1.html


$185 cdn


i think thats a good price.... way less than i figured


Posted by skot_e on Mar-24-2006 08:27:

I'd imagine they are a moulded piece, ie not interchangable, but not sure. Getting fitted for mine within next month or so. 25dB for me.


Posted by mylespower on Mar-24-2006 08:28:

the guy was saying that 4-6 hours or more in a high volume nightclub environment has been proven to be equivalent in terms of hearing damage to a person working in a manufacturing facility for 6 years

don't hold me to that... just a fact he blurted out


Posted by mzvirbulis on Mar-24-2006 11:00:

gee its not only going out to clubs but honestly sometimes i make some bloody ear-piercing sounds when producing. got to get some!


Posted by nutsan on Mar-24-2006 11:51:

jesus man! thats a hell of a lot to pay! ive used er-20 for over a year, for DJing and clubbing. only cost about $15. very cool if u have a group of friends wearing them, u cantake to each other in a normal voice, while standing next to a blaring speaker.


Posted by Freak on Mar-24-2006 11:55:

personally i would get the 25s, but i like it as quiet as possible- each ot their own i suppose.

have been using the 15s for a long while now, and they are good. very good.


Posted by nutsan on Mar-24-2006 11:58:

its the difference of $160 tho.


Posted by mylespower on Mar-24-2006 12:14:

quote:
Originally posted by Freak
personally i would get the 25s, but i like it as quiet as possible- each ot their own i suppose.

have been using the 15s for a long while now, and they are good. very good.



have there been any issues with your eqing etc? meaning, it sounded good to you with the earplugs, but not so good to the people on the floor?

or any other issues?


Posted by skot_e on Mar-24-2006 13:03:

quote:
Originally posted by mzvirbulis
gee its not only going out to clubs but honestly sometimes i make some bloody ear-piercing sounds when producing. got to get some!

Level when making tunes should be at about 85-90 dB. Only turn it up to have a listen occasionally.
Your ears are your tools if you make music - look after them.


Posted by skot_e on Mar-24-2006 13:07:

quote:
Originally posted by mylespower
have there been any issues with your eqing etc? meaning, it sounded good to you with the earplugs, but not so good to the people on the floor?

or any other issues?

I'd be interested to hear this too. I know that the molded plugs reduce all the levels equally across the spectrum.


Posted by Lunar Phase 7 on Mar-24-2006 13:08:

Etymotic ER20's are ace.

Mine cost 10 quid and I keep them on my keyring always.

They aint always super easy to DJ with but they are workable.

Music kills ears, the tragic irony, lol.


Posted by Lunar Phase 7 on Mar-24-2006 13:11:

quote:
Originally posted by skot_e
I'd be interested to hear this too. I know that the molded plugs reduce all the levels equally across the spectrum.


They aint exactly flat. The graphs they use are clever, and they cut more high than low. Which is good in terms of your hearing, but when buggering about with that filter in a seriously loud club, you may not notice the resonace highs are stripping paint of the walls.

In general though, if it sounds good through your phones and monitors. It's gonne be right on the floor. Most club systems are shit anyways, so blame them!


Posted by richg101 on Mar-24-2006 13:23:

congratulations!

good choice in spending some money on securing your hearing. we will be the deaf generation imo..

anyways.. the er25's will be better than the er15's. 15db is a good ammount of cut but i think 25 is better.

remember that the 15db ones knock off 15db in the perfect situation.. but in reality will take off about 7db..

the 25's should end up knocking off about 15db.


with regards to the 4-6 hours in a club being like working in manufacturing for 6 years... that is very close to reality..

just have a look on google for 'hearing protection' and 'safe levels of noise'

with earplugs like the 25's you will suffer the same damage to your hearing in six hours as you would from a quarter of an hour without protection..

deafness and tinnitus isnt the only thing to worry about..

'hyperacusis' is a hypersensitivity to loud noise that can be brought on from prolonged hearing damage and can be associated with tinnitus. - i have it. imagine a fire engine coming past you and having to cover your ears because they dont stop ringing for half an hour after hearing the bloody thing! its hell. i use er 20's. non moulded but they work a treat! my ears never ring after djing anymore but i have to admit, in shitter clubs with not as good monitors i end up taking them out during the transition..


Posted by n3lly on Mar-24-2006 16:14:

Usually they should change the filters for you for free.

The place i got them done in (in ireland) said i could just drop in whenever i wanted to and they'd change them for me free of charge. My price was a bit more expensive though at 250euro.

Well worth the price though, i don't use them enough at the moment though, haven't been mixing enough. Getting them fitted is a weird sensation, having all that gewy (i dunno what it actually is)..

but they mix two rubber/gel/putty's together. Only when they're mixed together do they harden. After a while ofcourse. But you're sitting there for a few minutes and you can't hear jack shit!

Anywho, congrats wait till the morning after! It's savage when your ears aren't bleeding (not literally of course) and ringing from the night before!

let us know what you think when you get them.

nelly


Posted by mylespower on Mar-25-2006 21:21:

so i went in to get the impression of my ears taken.

they put a small cotton ball with a string attached to it and gently push it way down in your ear and then get out this little gun that looks like a caulking gun and inject this cool putty type stuff in your ear... you need to hold your jaw relaxed for the entire 5-8 minutes... and do not bite down at all.

it is a weird but relatively pleasurable sensation... i would do it again... LOL

the guy said it would take about 3 weeks


video of what the above looks like

http://www.protectear.com/videos/Implementation_high.wmv


Posted by Freak on Mar-26-2006 13:31:

I loved the sensation of the moulding.... not as good as having your ears syringed though



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