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But here is the obvious question no one is asking... why are they only picking on mostly european illegals?

hmmmmmmmmmm

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Marguerida Alvez is just one of hundreds of Portuguese immigrants in Toronto being forced to return home, but like so many of them, she feels her home is right here. Alvez spent Saturday, her last full day in Canada, packing up a life she�s built over the last seven years. �I want the minister of immigration to come to the airport tomorrow and see all of us,� Alvez said. �Maybe then he�ll have a change of heart and let us stay.� When the ministry sent out deportation letters to dozens of families illegally residing in Toronto, some of them were given less than a week to leave the country. There are an estimated 15,000 illegal Portuguese immigrants currently living and working in the GTA and all are targets following a recent promise by immigration Canada to be more aggressive in getting them deported. But some say their value in Canada is being vastly underestimated. �These are people who in fact are very much contributing to the economy and growth of this city and country,� said Toronto Liberal M.P. Mario Silva. As for the Alvez family, they�re left just hoping for a last-minute miracle before they have to wake up and start anew. �It�s nothing but memories,� said Alvez�s son, Rafael. �It�s like a dream that happened and you woke up and it�s all over.� And of course their deportation will affect many in Canada who aren�t going anywhere. �To not be able to see them anymore, that�s my most emotional point,� said Melanie Desousa, an Alvez family friend

they had this story covered on Global news last night.
I am sure there are MANY others that are in Canada illegally. Why narrow it down to Europeans? Why don't they target everyone then?

Doesn't make any sense.

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Originally posted by magikb they had this story covered on Global news last night. I am sure there are MANY others that are in Canada illegally. Why narrow it down to Europeans? Why don't they target everyone then? Doesn't make any sense.

you know why?

europeans and media wont cry out "racism" at the drop of a hat. It's politically less dangerous to do it this way.

I say deport ALL illegals no matter their race. That way it's definately not racism. But to go after just the europeans is very racist indeed. And the hypocrisy is that society doesn't even see it that way.

I know too many people in this country who struggled to get in the legit way. And its a slap int he face to them when illegals are allowed to live here unabated.

same reason as to why the criteria for a European is a whole lot different than that for someone from a different part of the world.

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Originally posted by Mag1k same reason as to why the criteria for a European is a whole lot different than that for someone from a different part of the world.

its disgusting...

racist policies have to end.

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Originally posted by Jayx1 you know why? europeans and media wont cry out "racism" at the drop of a hat. It's politically less dangerous to do it this way. I say deport ALL illegals no matter their race. That way it's definately not racism. But to go after just the europeans is very racist indeed. And the hypocrisy is that society doesn't even see it that way. I know too many people in this country who struggled to get in the legit way. And its a slap int he face to them when illegals are allowed to live here unabated.

I was actually watching W5, and they did a report on this 2 weeks ago.

They were talking to the very people who set up these deportations, and they said they do it fill a quota. Meaning, they picked the people it was EASIEST to deport. They said that a lot of the violent criminals, were harder to catch and deport.

So they were strickly going after the people, who were probably holding good jobs, and trying to work for a living.

They didnt care about why there were deporting these people, they were just trying to meet the numbers. booooooooooooooooooo

If you are white, black, hispanic, indian, chineese, and you are in this great country, and shouldnt be, GET THE FUCK OUT, and stop draining our system. My mom worked her ass of to get us in this country, and you are right, it is a slap in the face.

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Originally posted by Jayx1 I say deport ALL illegals no matter their race. That way it's definately not racism. But to go after just the europeans is very racist indeed. And the hypocrisy is that society doesn't even see it that way.

you would think that would be the easiest way to do it.
then no blame to be placed at all... just everyone who isn't suppose to be here won't be here anymore.

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There are an estimated 15,000 illegal Portuguese immigrants currently living and working in the GTA and all are targets following a recent promise by immigration Canada to be more aggressive in getting them deported.

But whose gonna bricklayer the rest of the construction sites of the GTA?

640 news is all over this, bottom line Europeans are too hardworking to spend another second running around in backword beaucratic circles in Canada aswell....they are too smart to do anything other than let politicians talk until they forget the topic......I think this is more of a "it's not just non-whites who are illegal immigrants" type of BS story.

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Originally posted by Rodrico But whose gonna bricklayer the rest of the construction sites of the GTA?

My friend's dad was actually complaining about them, and how they work for a much lower rate than legal citizens. He said a lot of people are having a hard time finding work, because so many construction projects are made up of mostly Portuguese workers.

This was a year or more ago.

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Originally posted by Orko My friend's dad was actually complaining about them, and how they work for a much lower rate than legal citizens. He said a lot of people are having a hard time finding work, because so many construction projects are made up of mostly Portuguese workers. This was a year or more ago.

That and they shit anywhere they please.

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Originally posted by Jayx1 you know why? europeans and media wont cry out "racism" at the drop of a hat. It's politically less dangerous to do it this way. I say deport ALL illegals no matter their race. That way it's definately not racism. But to go after just the europeans is very racist indeed. And the hypocrisy is that society doesn't even see it that way. I know too many people in this country who struggled to get in the legit way. And its a slap int he face to them when illegals are allowed to live here unabated.

Ever been to reporting centre on 6900 missisauga rd? hundreads of people are scheduled to appear for pre removal interview every day ,mostly non european. You dont know what are you talking about Jay.

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Originally posted by Jayx1 I know too many people in this country who struggled to get in the legit way. And its a slap int he face to them when illegals are allowed to live here unabated.

I disagree somewhat. There are many people who got into Canada legit and are doing nothing but leeching off social assistance, and providing no real benefit to the economy, or society as a whole. Then there are also many people who came to Canada illegally, or have stayed here illegally, but provide a far more useful benefit to society or to the economy.

There are some people who don't have the money to come to Canada legally, and some are forced to come in other ways.

I disagree not only with the government and the media centering on europeans being deported, but also with this mass deportation without notice. The Liberals were going to grant status to some of these people, and I think that would have been a better idea. At the very least, the Conservatives should have looked at what sort of benefit these individuals are providing to the economy or to society, and if they were providing a high benefit, then they should have been given a chance for status here.

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Originally posted by Dark_Archonis I disagree not only with the government and the media centering on europeans being deported, but also with this mass deportation without notice. The Liberals were going to grant status to some of these people, and I think that would have been a better idea. At the very least, the Conservatives should have looked at what sort of benefit these individuals are providing to the economy or to society, and if they were providing a high benefit, then they should have been given a chance for status here.

Thats a good way of looking at it. Since Canada is in short supply of skilled trades men and women, some of these people may have helped the country.

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Originally posted by Jayx1 you know why? europeans and media wont cry out "racism" at the drop of a hat. It's politically less dangerous to do it this way. I say deport ALL illegals no matter their race. That way it's definately not racism. But to go after just the europeans is very racist indeed. And the hypocrisy is that society doesn't even see it that way. I know too many people in this country who struggled to get in the legit way. And its a slap int he face to them when illegals are allowed to live here unabated.

NO OFFENCE, but fuck you... my family came here from russia when i was 4 ILLEGALLY... my dad AND my mom, over the last 16 years have become a valuable part of this country... my dad is HEAD of latin american sales for one of the leading security companies in canada...and my mom works for human resources canada. both of them have masters in biochemical engeneering from mendeleve university of moscow(the TOP chemical engeneering school in the WORLD(ranked in 2004)) if we had been deported like these people now, assets in our society like my parents would be lost...

we came here illegaly because we did not have the money to pay the 1000$ to get in...

where as alot of the people who do end up sitting on their asses leaching off of wellfare, which we, the tax payers, pay into...

I am a STRONG believer in that there should be a case by case analysis in the deportation process...

MANY of the people who come to our country(yes,i say our country, because i was raised here, and woulndt want to live anywhere else) illegally, are some of the leading minds behind major project, and other things that excell our country and allow us to call ourselves a multicultural society...

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Originally posted by Orko If you are white, black, hispanic, indian, chineese, and you are in this great country, and shouldnt be, GET THE FUCK OUT, and stop draining our system. My mom worked her ass of to get us in this country, and you are right, it is a slap in the face.

There are more asians in this country than just Chinese...did you not pay attention in World studies?

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Originally posted by lopi we came here illegaly because we did not have the money to pay the 1000$ to get in...

http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNe...60104/20060104/


I guess now there's no excuse.

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Originally posted by lopi NO OFFENCE, but fuck you... my family came here from russia when i was 4 ILLEGALLY... my dad AND my mom, over the last 16 years have become a valuable part of this country... my dad is HEAD of latin american sales for one of the leading security companies in canada...and my mom works for human resources canada. both of them have masters in biochemical engeneering from mendeleve university of moscow(the TOP chemical engeneering school in the WORLD(ranked in 2004)) if we had been deported like these people now, assets in our society like my parents would be lost... we came here illegaly because we did not have the money to pay the 1000$ to get in... where as alot of the people who do end up sitting on their asses leaching off of wellfare, which we, the tax payers, pay into... I am a STRONG believer in that there should be a case by case analysis in the deportation process... MANY of the people who come to our country(yes,i say our country, because i was raised here, and woulndt want to live anywhere else) illegally, are some of the leading minds behind major project, and other things that excell our country and allow us to call ourselves a multicultural society...

This is the most real thing stated in this thread.
EVERY SINGLE one of these cases should be analyized INDIVIDUALLY!!!! Someone being here illegally, may only mean that they have "no status" because the fukin gov'n makes them pay tens of thousands of dollars to plead why they should be here, makes them wait many years (my bf is currently at 5 yrs) to decide whether or not u can stay, during this time u build a life, a home, a job, friends, all valuble aspects of life...and then they tell u u have 2 wks to leave??? Tell me WUT THE FUK DO U DO THEN??? You have no life back at the country u came from, you havent been able to save much money with the lawyer fees, mortgages, and day to day expenses so pretty much the last 5 or so years, have been a waste of time and money. A majority of "these people" don't come here to sit on their asses and live off of our taxes. They come here to get ahead in life, to work hard, support their children and be able to make a good living, because as hard as you work in MANY European countries, it is IMPOSSIBLE to get ahead in life. We shouldn't be throwing these people out, we should be thanking them for helping to build one of the most multi-culturally educated countries in the world.

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Originally posted by InfinitEuphoria This is the most real thing stated in this thread. EVERY SINGLE one of these cases should be analyized INDIVIDUALLY!!!! Someone being here illegally, may only mean that they have "no status" because the fukin gov'n makes them pay tens of thousands of dollars to plead why they should be here, makes them wait many years (my bf is currently at 5 yrs) to decide whether or not u can stay, during this time u build a life, a home, a job, friends, all valuble aspects of life...and then they tell u u have 2 wks to leave??? Tell me WUT THE FUK DO U DO THEN??? You have no life back at the country u came from, you havent been able to save much money with the lawyer fees, mortgages, and day to day expenses so pretty much the last 5 or so years, have been a waste of time and money. A majority of "these people" don't come here to sit on their asses and live off of our taxes. They come here to get ahead in life, to work hard, support their children and be able to make a good living, because as hard as you work in MANY European countries, it is IMPOSSIBLE to get ahead in life. We shouldn't be throwing these people out, we should be thanking them for helping to build one of the most multi-culturally educated countries in the world.

Do you honestly think the Canadian government wants to shell out the money to pay people to analyze each case individually? I seriously doubt that.

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Originally posted by KaiLee Do you honestly think the Canadian government wants to shell out the money to pay people to analyze each case individually? I seriously doubt that.

I think it's less an issue of want then one of feasability. The system is back logged as it is. If each case were to be judged on it's individual merits the process would gind to a near halt. Moreover, if we were to make the criteria completely subjective then the opportunities and instances of fraud/corruption would increase astronomically.... essentially anyone with enough pay off money would be allowed to enter and stay.... say hello to even more wide spread human smuggling!

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Originally posted by lopi NO OFFENCE, but fuck you... my family came here from russia when i was 4 ILLEGALLY... my dad AND my mom, over the last 16 years have become a valuable part of this country... my dad is HEAD of latin american sales for one of the leading security companies in canada...and my mom works for human resources canada. both of them have masters in biochemical engeneering from mendeleve university of moscow(the TOP chemical engeneering school in the WORLD(ranked in 2004)) if we had been deported like these people now, assets in our society like my parents would be lost... we came here illegaly because we did not have the money to pay the 1000$ to get in... where as alot of the people who do end up sitting on their asses leaching off of wellfare, which we, the tax payers, pay into... I am a STRONG believer in that there should be a case by case analysis in the deportation process... MANY of the people who come to our country(yes,i say our country, because i was raised here, and woulndt want to live anywhere else) illegally, are some of the leading minds behind major project, and other things that excell our country and allow us to call ourselves a multicultural society...

If you read what i have to say in other threads about this you will see what i said about that.

Basically I am saying that in tandem with the deportations, the government should also make it easier for the IMMIGRANTS WE WANT to enter this country.

Im happy that your family has found success here much like my family did in the 50s.

However, there is NO EXCUSE for breaking the law. Just because you disagree with it doesn't mean you should go ahead of everyone else who is doing it the right way.

What the government needs to do is this:

They need to repeal the landing fee (which they are actually in the process of doing)

They also need to make it easier for foreign credentials to be recognized

If ANY amnesty is to be offered it should be in the form of allowing illegals to apply while already in the country along with everyone else under the same rules. If they dont meet our qualifications then they should be deported.

As for jumping the queue. I dont care if you are a CEO or a hardeneed criminal, get in line.

As for multiculralism, that is a moot point. Multiculturalism doesnt rely on breaking the law. And most immigrants who contribute to multiculturalism came here the legal way.

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Originally posted by InfinitEuphoria This is the most real thing stated in this thread. EVERY SINGLE one of these cases should be analyized INDIVIDUALLY!!!! Someone being here illegally, may only mean that they have "no status" because the fukin gov'n makes them pay tens of thousands of dollars to plead why they should be here, makes them wait many years (my bf is currently at 5 yrs) to decide whether or not u can stay, during this time u build a life, a home, a job, friends, all valuble aspects of life...and then they tell u u have 2 wks to leave??? Tell me WUT THE FUK DO U DO THEN??? You have no life back at the country u came from, you havent been able to save much money with the lawyer fees, mortgages, and day to day expenses so pretty much the last 5 or so years, have been a waste of time and money. A majority of "these people" don't come here to sit on their asses and live off of our taxes. They come here to get ahead in life, to work hard, support their children and be able to make a good living, because as hard as you work in MANY European countries, it is IMPOSSIBLE to get ahead in life. We shouldn't be throwing these people out, we should be thanking them for helping to build one of the most multi-culturally educated countries in the world.

So should we give amnesty to other kinds of illegal behaviour? I feel sorry for people in these situations but the fact is that they are breaking the law. We have a system in place for a reason. Why cant the people now being deported apply the legal way?

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Originally posted by Transmotion Ever been to reporting centre on 6900 missisauga rd? hundreads of people are scheduled to appear for pre removal interview every day ,mostly non european. You dont know what are you talking about Jay.

But do they actually get deported?

There are many many people SCHEDULED to be deported that never do. Id like to see the government start with the known criminals before they go after the hard working people like they have here.

Granted, everyone here illegally needs to be kicked out and re-enter the legal way. But at the same time our immigration laws do need a severe makeover.

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Originally posted by Jayx1 So should we give amnesty to other kinds of illegal behaviour? I feel sorry for people in these situations but the fact is that they are breaking the law. We have a system in place for a reason. Why cant the people now being deported apply the legal way?

Laws only work if the majority follows them. If the masses in society disregard a law, and don't follow it for an extended period of time, then maybe that law should be examined, and such a law should not be a law for long.

I find it ironic that you, who yourself are against many laws and regulations, one who values their freedom, would be so adamant in this case of completely following the law. Quite convenient isn't it?

The Liberals wanted to give some of these people status, based on a reasonable criteria; are you going to tell me what the Liberals planned was "illegal" and "against" the system currently in place?

I hope you do realize how the system works right? The system does have a backlog as others have said, and it's a slow process. What about the thousands and thousands of people who have come here legally, but wait YEARS to gain status? What if you're waiting for status, and suddenly you are sent a notice of deportation? You don't have status, and by the current narrow definition, you would be deemed "illegal". Doesn't that seem funny to you?

Again, as stated before, *a lot* of people don't have the money to come to Canada, and to pay all the accompanying fees. A lot of people also to a lesser extent don't have enough credentials that meet Canada's ignorant immigration policy, which fails to recognize education from many world-class universities.

Economically, deporting many of these people will have a detrimental effect to Canada's economy. I think the Conservatives are doing this more to for gaining people's approval, than for any other reasons.

Stephen Harper
that is all.

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