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Free upgrade for Mixed In Key (1.2) with Ableton support!

Dear All,

Mixed In Key Version 1.2 is now available! Both the free version and the full version have been updated. Both can be downloaded from http://www.mixedinkey.com

List of new features:

• Mixed In Key can now save identified keys in the ID3 tags for MP3 files!
  
• Added new menu item "Move to collection.." to improve collection management
  
• Drag-and-drop support for Ableton Live!, Traktor, Virtual DJ and most CD burning applications!
  
• Made it easier to manage collections and move files into them. You can right-click everywhere
  
• Added support for files with a 48,000Hz sample rate
  
• Added support for very large files (35Mb for MP3, 135Mb for WAV)
  
• Fixed bug where Mixed In Key did not process UPPERCASE extensions (.MP3, .WAV). It now works with all UPPERCASE and lowercase extensions

Considering your using that mix, and all those tracks to assist promotion of your product with a sales price, I hope you have clearance to use the copy. Or are paying royalties. If not, you might like to consider taking it down untill you do.

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Originally posted by skot_e Considering your using that mix, and all those tracks to assist promotion of your product with a sales price, I hope you have clearance to use the copy. Or are paying royalties. If not, you might like to consider taking it down untill you do.

oh give me a break

Now that we have programs that beatmatch for us and even match the keys for us where do we need talent anymore?

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How accurate is the algorithm? Mixed In Key's key algorithm is based on the latest version of [tONaRT] created by a wonderful German developer company called zplane.development. Their work is currently being used in Ableton Live!, Steinberg and Native Instruments. Mixed In Key uses this algorithm to give DJs a quick and easy way to key their music.

I'm Sorry but this doesn't answer the question.

What's the Accuracy in %?

if I have 500 songs, will it give me 400 correct and 100 with wronk keys?

Pinokio, from my experience Mixed In Key is about 95% accurate. See if it sounds good to you. Finding keys is very subjective -- We might hear two different things, but some software can give a very good approximation. You can always double check your results. This is how I see it: technology can be a friendly and helpful tool to help people, but this software won't replace beatmatching or picking good songs and reading the crowd. This software doesn't interfere with the DJ's workflow. You can use it at home to come up with some cool ideas and then try them in a club.

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Originally posted by Basstard oh give me a break

What's the issue, don't you think the artists should at least be asked, if it is ok to use their music to help promote a commercial prodouct? They might not want money and be happy to be involved, but should they not be able to make that decision.
If it was free, it would be a different thing altogether.
I doubt Sasha or PvD or Tiesto would approve of someone making a buck off using their productions in the promotion without clearance.
It becomes a legal issue that any business needs to consider.

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Originally posted by Mr.Mystery Now that we have programs that beatmatch for us and even match the keys for us where do we need talent anymore?

well what else does a dj do?

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Originally posted by skot_e What's the issue, don't you think the artists should at least be asked, if it is ok to use their music to help promote a commercial prodouct? They might not want money and be happy to be involved, but should they not be able to make that decision. If it was free, it would be a different thing altogether. I doubt Sasha or PvD or Tiesto would approve of someone making a buck off using their productions in the promotion without clearance. It becomes a legal issue that any business needs to consider.

Skot_e, I see your point, but this is just a standard DJ mix recorded from vinyl by DJ Prince. It illustrates an example, but these songs are in no way affiliated with Mixed In Key. I am hosting several mixes / live sets on my personal site as well. We greatly respect these artists and we always purchase vinyl/mp3s legitimately from sources like BeatPort, TraxSource and DJDownload.

It would be cool to see some proof of this 95% claim. Nennon, why not analyse 400 files and post the results in here/on your site. I think that would be the best way to attract a massive amount of buyers (most people are sceptic I think).

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Originally posted by Thois It would be cool to see some proof of this 95% claim. Nennon, why not analyse 400 files and post the results in here/on your site. I think that would be the best way to attract a massive amount of buyers (most people are sceptic I think).

Good call.

I've heard thta mixmeister it's 85 % Accuracy, but in my experience it's about 60 % accuracy, so I still don't know if it's true about the 95 %.

Also Mixmeister has NEVER DEtect a Major Key, not Even by Error, it only shows minor keys.

I wonder is this mixed in key also detect Major Keys.

Here are some of my personal keys:

• Charlotte Church - Call My Name (Steve Mac remix) -- 7A (D minor)
  
• Dajae - Brigther Days -- 8A (A minor)
  
• Hard-Fi - Hard To Beat (Axwell remix) -- 6B (B-flat major)
  
• Ian Carey - Say What U Want -- 1A (A-flat minor)
  
• M.A.N.D.Y - Body Language -- 10A (B minor)
  
• Meck - Thunder In My Heart (Hott 22 remix) -- 8A (A minor)
  
• Red Carpet - Alright (Brad Carter remix) -- 8A (A minor)
  
• Rokysopp - What Else Is There? (Thin White Duke mix) -- 3A (B-flat minor)
  
• Solu Music - Fade (Eric Kupper remix) -- 10A (B minor)
  
• Tom Novy - Your body -- 8A (A minor)
  

Glad to see your offering a trial version, it might help people make a more informed call on your product. Just have to wait for Mac release then. I'm curious to see it's accuracy.

Any of you want to try this and post your findings? Preferably senior members. If 5 people can do 10 tracks each, we can extrapolate the results...

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Originally posted by skot_e If 5 people can do 10 tracks each, we can extrapolate the results...

good idea, I will post 20 results this afternoon

Thois,

Any luck on the results? I know that there is a great number of TA forum users who are currently using the program. If you're using the application, please post your experiences so we can improve the next version.

Berg nixon - box escape
abstraction = B minor
box escape = B flat minor
New York minute = A minor
the depths = A major

audio werner - trust EP
shiers = A minor
trust = D minor

daypayk and padberg - close up E flat minor

Marek Bois - boisboisbois
boisboisbois = D minor
you got good ash = G flat minor


locodice - Cathargo EP
cathargo G flat minor
sorted F major

butane + someone else - Tigerbitch EP
tigerbitch (dapayk rmx) A minor
tigerbitch (Jeremy p caulfield rmx) D minor
Tigerbitch (quenum rmx) A minor
tigerbitch original D minor

Butane - running out of time EP
all out of ice = B flat minor
go away andy = A minor
Sessions = B flat Major

Hearthrob - time for ensor
golum = D major
grounded A minor
thrill = D major
time for Ensor = A minor

Argy - Night Ritual
cry like a girl = D minor
night Ritual = A minor
poke her Flat = B flat Major

Ricardo villalobos - Alcachofa
easy lee = C minor
y.g.h. = A minor
bahaha hahi = A major
i try to live = A minor
waiworinao = A major
theogenese = A minor
what you say = D minor
dexter = D minor
Fools garden = A minor

Achso EP
duso = D minor
erso = A minor
ichso = A minor
sieso = A minor

steve bug - smackman EP

I thought = D minor
smackman = E minor

ryan crosson - Artists have bad haircuts

Arborne = E minor
Artists have bad haircuts = A minor
Likewise freak = A minor

bobba lou, are these what you think they are, or what the program thinks they are?

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Originally posted by skot_e bobba lou, are these what you think they are, or what the program thinks they are?

wat the proggie says they are..ill comfirm later this week.(friday)

i'll try the program out and see what it gives for the tunes Nem has listed in the harmonic mixing thread and post the results.

done. here's the results:



Cm (5A) Dogzilla - Dogzilla (Simon Patterson & Richie Kayvan Mix) 8A
C#m (12A) Tomcraft - Loneliness (Klub Mix) 11B
Dm (7A) Mauro Picotto - Back to Cali (Push Remix) 7A
Dm (7A) The Digital Blonde - Noctone 2A
Dm (7A) Storm - Time to Burn (Original Mix) 7A
D#m (2A) Pulser - My religion (Original Mix) 3A
D#m (2A) Plastic Boy - Live another life 2A
D#m (2A) Cern - The Message (Northern Mix) 2A
D#m (2A) Mr Sam vs Fred Baker - Forever Waiting (M.I.K.E. Remix) this one it just wouldn't analyze for some reason!
D#m (2A) William Orbit - Adagio for Strings (Ferry Corsten Remix) 5B
D#m (2A) Andian - Summber Calling (Airwave Club Remix) 2A
D#m (2A) Jens - Psycho Strings (Jens 99 Remix) 10A
D#m (2A) 4 Strings - (Take me away) Into the Night (Original Mix) 2A
Em (9A) Darude - Sandstorm (Original Mix) 9A
Em (9A) Tukan - Light a rainbow (Green Court Mix) 8A
Fm (4A) Marc Dawn - Expander (Flutlicht Remix) 7B
Fm (4A) Digital Blonde - Mooga (Original Mix) 10A
F#m (11A) Matt Darey - Electro Buzz 11A
G#m (1A) Mauro Picotto - Pulsar 2002 (Picotto Verdi Mix) 2A
G#m (1A) Push vs Globe - Tranceformation 1A
Am (8A) DJ Tiesto - Lethal Industry (Original Mix) 8A
Am (8A) Queen + Vanguard - Flash (Tomcraft Remix) 11B
A#m (3A) Marco V - Godd (Original) 6B
A#m (3A) Benny Benassi - Satisfaction (Isak Original) 6B
A#m (3A) M.I.K.E. vs John '00' Flemming - Ice Cream (Original Mix) 3A
A#m (3A) Blank & Jones - Cream (Long version) 3A
Bm (10A) Push - Strangeworld (2000 Remake) 10A
Bm (10A) Push - Journey of Life (Rank 1 Remix) 10A
Bm (10A) Trancesetters - Roaches (Bugs in Slacker's Basement Remix) 1B

the ones on RED are totally incorrect, the ones on ORANGE are off but still mixable with the key the track is really in, the ones on GREEN are correct. so 14 of the 29 tunes were correct. that's 48,3%! not even near 95%. altho i have to say that what Nem has posted isn't the final truth, but i do trust his keys more than i trust this program. and i only analyzed 29 tunes, so that isn't exactly enough, to judge this program really. we'll need more results to see what this program is worth, but so far i'm not impressed at least and wouldn't pay for this.
program also crashed once and has some weird bugs in it!
i'd also like to know why does it want to connect to the internet?

Hi Skip, thanks for the effort.

Let me answer your questions below:

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A#m (3A) Marco V - Godd (Original) 6B A#m (3A) Benny Benassi - Satisfaction (Isak Original) 6B Fm (4A) Marc Dawn - Expander (Flutlicht Remix) 7B D#m (2A) William Orbit - Adagio for Strings (Ferry Corsten Remix) 5B Am (8A) Queen + Vanguard - Flash (Tomcraft Remix) 11B

3A is B-flat Minor and 8B is B-flat Major.
4A is F Minor and 7B is F Major.
2A is E-flat Minor and 5B is E-flat Major.
8A is A Minor and 11B is A Major.


Your results vary by scale -- Minor or Major. It is possible that both results are correct. [tONaRT] detects the key as 3A. This means that 3A could be a better fit for the duration of the song.


Here's how it works: [tONaRT] looks at the total loudness of every note in the scale. It compares these results to statistical information about every key/scale. When keying songs manually, you should always check your results in several places to get more accurate results. [tONaRT] could have gotten it right by analyzing the entire song, not just one part.

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Bm (10A) Trancesetters - Roaches (Bugs in Slacker's Basement Remix) 1B

This song could be out-of-key on your computer. Are you using a high-quality MP3 or WAV file directly from BeatPort or DJDownload? It looks like the song is detuned. [tONaRT]'s key is one semi-tone below your manual result. Humans have a hard time keying "detuned" songs. Maybe this is why your result is different? You can check your C:\Program Files\Mixed In Key\Collection.xml file and look at the Standard Pitch value for that song. If it's not 440, the song is out-of-key.

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program also crashed once and has some weird bugs in it!

Could you please post this bug so we can fix it? To e-mail me privately, my e-mail address is [email protected]

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i'd also like to know why does it want to connect to the internet?

Mixed In Key connects to the Internet to check the value in this file:
http://www.MixedInKey.com/LatestDemoVersion.txt

After every release, I update this text file. If there is a new version available, Mixed In Key will show "Download New Version" button on the menu. This helps every user have the latest version.


Thank you again for your effort. Please let me know if you have any questions.


Yakov

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Originally posted by nennon Skot_e, I see your point, but this is just a standard DJ mix recorded from vinyl by DJ Prince. It illustrates an example, but these songs are in no way affiliated with Mixed In Key. I am hosting several mixes / live sets on my personal site as well. We greatly respect these artists and we always purchase vinyl/mp3s legitimately from sources like BeatPort, TraxSource and DJDownload.

Hi Nennon
I just want to say that this mix was created using "mixedinkey" and Sony Acid 5.0. I normally just do straight up vinylmixing, but I made an exeption in this case since I got to test the full version for free :-). What I did I took the records that I wanted in the mix and ripped each track to my pc as mp3, ran them trough "MixedInKey", used a keyboard to prove check the key detection. It was 100% correct. Then I sortet them by keycode in the program, that gave me the order, Now I had a suggestion for a mix that will sound in key, since most of the records are around the same BPM the pitch difference wouldnt matter that much.

Then I started Sony Acid 5.0. Added the first track, no beatmapping, left it as just oneshot, added the next song. Matched the bpm manually by adjusting pitch by rightclicking on the file. I could actually see if the two songs where on beat because of the waveforms. Now the two songs are onbeat and onkey. Did some fading in and out, some eqing and fx. This is a very easy way of making the perfect mix, but it takes away the "live" feel of it. I think MixedInKey is a great tool and it will change the way many djs mix, it wil actually learn harmonic mixing to those who cant find the key by ear. And NO I dont get any money saying this!!!

Just like to add that I always buy my music on vinyl, I do download mp3s, but I buy the ones worth having in the collection. Lets hope that DJ mixes dont get banned by the large record companies. There are even recordcompany forums that have threads for dj mixes(defected, swingcity etc etc), so I dont think dj mixes are any problems (yet)......


Kind Regards
DJ Prince, Norway
www.djprince.no

omg these results are a disgrace
i'm sure you dissed lots of people who bought it, good thing I'm not one of them

Mixshare.com offers free software which is 80% accurate.

Thois,

There is no such thing as a "disgrace" in software development. The program works like it should and there are over 1000 people who downloaded it and enjoyed the results. Nearly all of our feedback e-mails have been about improving ID3 tag writing or making drag-and-drop easier to use. There have been no complaints about the accuracy of the results.

In my response to Skip, I explained why his results may be different. I haven't heard back from him, but I would be happy to have a friendly discussion about it.

In other words, don't bash the software that someone else has written. I am not speaking negatively about MixShare and I respect Qualia's work. Please give me the same benefit.


Thank you,
Yakov

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