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Is Sony screwd??

Is Microsoft about to wipe Sony out the industry??
i found this report by Merrill Lynch about sony's pricing.
http://rsch1.ml.com/9093/24013/ds/276873_0.PDF

Sony will be selling their console for around $800
by the time the PS3 comes out in November Microsoft will definitly slash their price and to an already $499 Xbox 360 (my guess slash it to $399?)
thats half price, and not only that they're gonna be releasing their biggest game yet Halo 3 the same time the PS3 comes out.

will third party developers switch their focus from the PS to the xbox?
will Microsoft dominate this time around?
how is Sony gonna come out of this ditch?

Discuss

1) No price point is official. Sony isn't run by morons. They want to be competitive so they'll try to do their best at pricing.

2) Core 360 = $299.99. Premium 360 = $399.99

3) There was no official release date for Halo 3. There's no information that even shows that it's being worked on. If anything, you'll see a release next year AFTER the release of the Playstation 3. If they DO happen to coincide, what difference would it make? Most gamers would purchase both.

4) There's WAAAAAAY too many factors that you didn't account for. Those questions lack educated-backing.

And finally, why didn't you even mention Nintendo? Your entire post would have to be changed around.

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Originally posted by Yan 1) No price point is official. Sony isn't run by morons. They want to be competitive so they'll try to do their best at pricing. 2) Core 360 = $299.99. Premium 360 = $399.99 3) There was no official release date for Halo 3. There's no information that even shows that it's being worked on. If anything, you'll see a release next year AFTER the release of the Playstation 3. If they DO happen to coincide, what difference would it make? Most gamers would purchase both. 4) There's WAAAAAAY too many factors that you didn't account for. Those questions lack educated-backing. And finally, why didn't you even mention Nintendo? Your entire post would have to be changed around.

Well done m8... Well done.

also if you consider that microsoft loses money everytime an xbox is sold, i highly doubt that it will take over the gaming industry.

they just don't have the licenses with the game companies to make an xbox even worth is; even if it is pretty powerful.

whilst us PC gamers sit back and laugh at all the console fanboys and their ridiculous arguments over different systems

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Originally posted by Yan 1) No price point is official. Sony isn't run by morons. They want to be competitive so they'll try to do their best at pricing. 2) Core 360 = $299.99. Premium 360 = $399.99 3) There was no official release date for Halo 3. There's no information that even shows that it's being worked on. If anything, you'll see a release next year AFTER the release of the Playstation 3. If they DO happen to coincide, what difference would it make? Most gamers would purchase both. 4) There's WAAAAAAY too many factors that you didn't account for. Those questions lack educated-backing. And finally, why didn't you even mention Nintendo? Your entire post would have to be changed around.

1) did you even read the report? the xbox360 doesn't have blue ray the PS3 will.

2) that slipped me i wrote the canadian pricing of the console now that its american dollars it backs me up even more.

3)read THIS even though the title contradicts what i'm saying it also states that Halo 3 is being worked on and it might be released either in NOV or with the summer release of the movie, btw we are talking about the whole market, companies bank on whats a bigger market to develope for, we've seen companies in the past jump shift from nintendo to sony remember a company called square soft who used to make exclusive games for nintendo?

4)care to elaborate?

now that you've mentioned it i went to check out Nintendo, and it turned out that they're releasing the Revolution the same time as the PS3, sounds like sony is in a bigger ditch.
and we all know that nintendo is all about loyal customers and would not try to control the market.


FYI i'm not bashing Sony, i'm just stating whats out there and curious of what others think, even thought i'm buying the the PS3 and the revolution and already have the xbox 360(not happy with it at the moment waiting for halo 3).

now can we leave the criticism aside and go back to the discussion.

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Originally posted by Plump Funk 1) did you even read the report? the xbox360 doesn't have blue ray the PS3 will.

whats your point?

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Originally posted by Plump Funk 2) that slipped me i wrote the canadian pricing of the console now that its american dollars it backs me up even more.

no it doesnt. its simple conjecture, nothing more. what the price of the PS3 will be when it finally gets released is anyone's guess, it will depend on a whole range of factors. i would leave that speculation to people eminently more qualified than yourself. also, consoles have never been there to make money, the money comes from the games, not the units. so taking a loss on each unit is acceptable to shore-up market share.

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Originally posted by Plump Funk 3)read THIS even though the title contradicts what i'm saying it also states that Halo 3 is being worked on and it might be released either in NOV or with the summer release of the movie, btw we are talking about the whole market, companies bank on whats a bigger market to develope for, we've seen companies in the past jump shift from nintendo to sony remember a company called square soft who used to make exclusive games for nintendo?

MIGHT be released? mwahahaha. christ. youre basing your arguments on a whole load of balony. get a hard release date before dealing with fairy-land again.

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Originally posted by Plump Funk now that you've mentioned it i went to check out Nintendo, and it turned out that they're releasing the Revolution the same time as the PS3, sounds like sony is in a bigger ditch. and we all know that nintendo is all about loyal customers and would not try to control the market. FYI i'm not bashing Sony, i'm just stating whats out there and curious of what others think, even thought i might end up buying the PS3, and already have the xbox 360(not happy with it at the moment waiting for halo 3) and definitely buying the Revolution. now that i feel like a nerd, can we leave the flaming aside and go back to the discussion.

youre forgetting all the solid sony fans that are eagerly awaiting the release of the unit. the PS1&2 were so popular they have created a loyal fan base all for themselves that wont be undermined simply coz they were beaten to the punch by a year or so.

listen to yan, the guys has been gaming for a bloody long time. he knows his shit.

i think next round is going to be very interesting

msft definitely has the first mover advantage, by the time ps3 comes out they'll have shipped almost 5million units. msft also has the advantage that it's not hinging it's box to a questionable technology, bluray, which may end up hurting sony b/c of it's price and lack of dominance (vs hd dvd) in next gen movie market.


another thing, is that msft's xbox live is really solid and established while sony has nothing to show for their online efforts. Gran turismo online? shea right.

listen to yan

not to mention the actual COST of the new machine may be near 800, just as the actual cost of the 360 is something like 500-600 dollars with the loss on sales to be made up in services and games.

its likely Sony will use the same idea, yet will likely be less easy to mod and pirate, unlike MS|

The Golden Rule of Video Game Economics: Systems don't EVER make money.

Peripherals, and to a lesser extent games, are where the loot is.

So all this "Microsoft/Sony is going to be losing money on their system" conjecture is really moot at this point.

And as previously stated, listen to Yan.

yeah even if the ps3 is twice the price of the x-360 .it's totally worth it.which is doubt it's going 2 be that expensive.

ps3 has a 60gb hard drive 3 times the size of the one in the x-360
ps3 is going to be the most powerfull ,phisics,cell>3-cores,RSX>xeon.
ps3 will play blu-ray movies right of the box,360 ony play dvd's.
ps3 will be compatible with ps2,ps1 games ,360 compatible's games are very limited.
ps3 will have a free online service ,xbox has this pricey overated one.
ps3 will have the best games , xbox is working his way trwo it but i willl never even come close to the ps3 line-up.
ps3 will come right on tim e,360 was totally rushed ans the games arent really next gen.
ps3 games will have much better graphics than 360 games.

from what i heard the ps3 vid chipset is equivalent to a 7800GT essentially making it equal to a 360. i'll probably go 360 after team executor successfully mods it and i've purchased my ps3.

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Originally posted by kid nyce from what i heard the ps3 vid chipset is equivalent to a 7800GT essentially making it equal to a 360. i'll probably go 360 after team executor successfully mods it and i've purchased my ps3.

thats just a rumnor i highly doubt the RSX=7800gt ,but we will see.

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Originally posted by shaka-de-virgo yeah even if the ps3 is twice the price of the x-360 .it's totally worth it.which is doubt it's going 2 be that expensive. ps3 has a 60gb hard drive 3 times the size of the one in the x-360

The 360 will, no doubt, have expansions, and quite frankly, why the fuck anyone would need 60 gigs to save games is beyond me. If your plan is to make your PS3 your multimedia center for your entire house, then more power to you, but gaming systems traditionally have been less than stellar at being "universal all in 1 fun boxes."

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ps3 is going to be the most powerfull ,phisics,cell>3-cores,RSX>xeon.

I'll believe it when I see developers pwning the 360 with actual gameplay footage, not pre-rendered garbage.

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ps3 will play blu-ray movies right of the box,360 ony play dvd's.

See point 1. I buy my gaming systems for gaming, not to watch movies.

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ps3 will be compatible with ps2,ps1 games ,360 compatible's games are very limited.

You win.

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ps3 will have a free online service ,xbox has this pricey overated one.

Sony will have to do a shit ton to match the quality of Xbox live. Calling it "pricey" and "overrated" simply reeks of the ignorance of someone who hasn't used it.

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ps3 will have the best games , xbox is working his way trwo it but i willl never even come close to the ps3 line-up.

Conjecture. Developers have already stated how hard and irritating it is to work on the PS3, we'll see just how easily that translates into quality games. Oh, and have fun with your "awesome" controller. You're making claims that can't be verified until the system is out.

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ps3 will come right on tim e,360 was totally rushed ans the games arent really next gen.

I'm sure the PS3 will come out right on time, have plenty of units available, and be priced reasonably enough that no one will bitch. Oh, and I heard Halo 3 was coming out for PS3 too and not Xbox.

Please.

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ps3 games will have much better graphics than 360 games.

Again, you're making claims that can't be supported until the system comes out.

If I were you, I'd pretty much just stop talking like you have any idea what you're discussing, because you're clearly not exactly well read regarding the subject, and quite obviously aren't a part of your middle schools debate team.

When the system comes out. and everything you claim comes true, feel free to tell me "I told you so."

ooh fanboy...lol


the x360 isnt even established yet...so as much as you can discount fans of the ps you shouldnt judge either yet|

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Originally posted by Plump Funk 1) did you even read the report? the xbox360 doesn't have blue ray the PS3 will.

What difference does this make? We're talking about the gaming console itself, right? As was stated before, there is a very strong base of people that would pay the price for the console. The average age for a gamer nowadays is in the early 30s. Most people, at that age, have a steady salary so the console price wouldn't be too much of a problem.

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Originally posted by Plump Funk 2) that slipped me i wrote the canadian pricing of the console now that its american dollars it backs me up even more.

I'm not understanding at what you're trying to get at.

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Originally posted by Plump Funk 3)read THIS even though the title contradicts what i'm saying it also states that Halo 3 is being worked on and it might be released either in NOV or with the summer release of the movie, btw we are talking about the whole market, companies bank on whats a bigger market to develope for, we've seen companies in the past jump shift from nintendo to sony remember a company called square soft who used to make exclusive games for nintendo?

Will you believe everything you read from various sources? I read once that the original Mega Man was a playable character in Mega Man X5 in my EGM. Trusted source and yet that was totally off. You don't believe anything anyone says until you see a press release.

You're also leaving out the fact that many software developing companies are being bought out by the big 3. That's a huge factor. Otherwise, most companies will produce games for all 3 consoles. It's a fairly uniform thing nowadays. Sure there are exclusives but Microsoft doesn't have too many going for them. Nintendo and Sony are much more in tune with the industry while Microsoft has the money and resources to fiddle around till they get it right (XLive has already hit the spot and is a good example for the others).

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Originally posted by Plump Funk 4)care to elaborate? now that you've mentioned it i went to check out Nintendo, and it turned out that they're releasing the Revolution the same time as the PS3, sounds like sony is in a bigger ditch. and we all know that nintendo is all about loyal customers and would not try to control the market.

Where are you getting your dates from? There are no official release dates for either consoles. For all you know, the Revolution might be released right after E3. If you read/listened to/viewed Iwata's keynote speech at GDC this year, you would have understood that Nintendo is moving in a different direction in the gaming industry than Sony or Microsoft. If that's the case then Sony doesn't have to worry... HOWEVER, Nintendo is all about disruptive technology nowadays. You'll never know what happens till it's all on the table.

Why would you say that Nintendo wouldn't want to be on top? Isn't that the point of being in the industry? They're a company that's looking for profit. The profit is way up top.

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Originally posted by Plump Funk FYI i'm not bashing Sony, i'm just stating whats out there and curious of what others think, even thought i'm buying the the PS3 and the revolution and already have the xbox 360(not happy with it at the moment waiting for halo 3). now can we leave the criticism aside and go back to the discussion.

Didn't say you were. The problem is, you're stating what's out there and then adding your opinion which is uninformed due to the fact that you didn't dig deep enough for the true information.

I, too, own a 360. I'm planning on selling the thing because it's basically collecting dust. I found myself playing Geometry Wars way more than the other titles. You're better off waiting for Gears of War.

I can critique all I want when the person is uninformed. I'm not attacking you, of course. I'm informing your misunderstandings.



Listen to me.

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Originally posted by shaka-de-virgo yeah even if the ps3 is twice the price of the x-360 .it's totally worth it.which is doubt it's going 2 be that expensive.

Both Ken Kutaragi and Phil Harrison have stated that the device will be expensive for the regular consumer. I'd trust their word when it comes to them making money. (Still waiting on the Emotion Engine, Sony... lol)

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Originally posted by shaka-de-virgo ps3 has a 60gb hard drive 3 times the size of the one in the x-360

Minor annoyance. The 360 will find itself with a lot of different hard drive options within the next year. Peripheral developing companies are already on work for said hard drives.

Also, we don't really know how big the saves/games/downloadables will be for the PS3. The HD could be used up as fast, if not faster than the 360's.

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Originally posted by shaka-de-virgo ps3 is going to be the most powerfull ,phisics,cell>3-cores,RSX>xeon.

For this generation? The hardware is definitely next gen. The CELL processor alone will dominate. No arguing there.

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Originally posted by shaka-de-virgo ps3 will play blu-ray movies right of the box,360 ony play dvd's.

BD-ROMs are nice but you'll be paying an average of $5 to $10 more per title (versus DVD) and you won't see much of an improvement in video quality. Most TVs aren't even ready to show off the full quality of the Blu-Ray Player.

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Originally posted by shaka-de-virgo ps3 will be compatible with ps2,ps1 games ,360 compatible's games are very limited.

Common misconception. There are only a small amount of XBOX games that aren't playable on the 360. Microsoft is almost done with patches for those.

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Originally posted by shaka-de-virgo ps3 will have a free online service ,xbox has this pricey overated one.

We don't know enough to say that just yet. I'm guessing there will be a Silver/Gold/Platinum-like membership for the PS3, as well. Also, certain software developers might ask for a monthly fee for their games, even if the PS3 online service was free. So in essence... you get nothing for free.

Live is not pricey nor overrated. It is a shining example of a good online service. They took the Dreamcast formula and improved upon it tenfold.

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Originally posted by shaka-de-virgo ps3 will have the best games , xbox is working his way trwo it but i willl never even come close to the ps3 line-up.

While it may be true that Sony has a lot of solid exclusive titles, a lot of their games are sequels nowadays. This does not bode well with many of the older gamers seeing as how it's very rare to improve upon the formula of a solid game. Of course there are a few companies that have the talent or have been in the game long enough to produce solid sequels, so I won't say it's impossible. However, 360 is lacking in the software department. Wait until the end of the year, though. There are about 50+ titles slated for release between now and then.

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Originally posted by shaka-de-virgo ps3 will come right on tim e,360 was totally rushed ans the games arent really next gen.

There's no official date for when the next generation starts. In that way, you can't say that the "PS3 will come right on time". If you're alluding to whether it would be rushed or not, we can't really tell till it's out, now can we?

I'll have to agree with you on the 360 being somewhat rushed HOWEVER, the games are technically next gen. They are using new hardware and coding is a bit different. The situation that's going on with Microsoft happens to all companies when they just release a console. You won't see the full utilization of all the hardware components until later in the consoles life. In many cases, you won't see the heavy users till right before the release of the next generation of consoles, if not after. The initial PS3 games will not look all that different from the high end PS2 games, to be honest.

Also, since Sony was touting that the PS3 would have a shelf-life of 10 years, I'm afraid we won't see the entire power till much later. That doesn't include the fact that developers have been stating that the hardware has been very hard to work with. I can only hope we'll see some really amazing games in the near future.

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Originally posted by shaka-de-virgo ps3 games will have much better graphics than 360 games.

It always ends up on the graphics note, huh? lol...

Well, graphics are important but I've found that the older gamers are less interested in visuals and more focused on gameplay (I happen to be one of them, however I do believe that visuals are as important). Buying a game because it's visually gorgeous is the equivalent of dating a girl for her looks alone. A shallow gamer is what you'd be.

i listen to yan

As an older PC gamer the only new console that appeals to me is the revolution for its possible group fun appeal. If they released a good tennis game on the revolution(like that one dreamcast game) that you could use your controller as a paddle I would be all over it, not to mention if the next zelda game you could manually control the sword by swinging the controller. Plus Duckhunt was my favorite game as a kid and I couldnt even imagine how much fun it would be to play a goldeneye type of game with a point and shoot controller.

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Originally posted by shaka-de-virgo ps3 has a 60gb hard drive 3 times the size of the one in the x-360 ps3 will be compatible with ps2,ps1 games ,360 compatible's games are very limited. ps3 will have a free online service ,xbox has this pricey overated one. ps3 will have the best games , xbox is working his way trwo it but i willl never even come close to the ps3 line-up. ps3 will come right on tim e,360 was totally rushed ans the games arent really next gen. ps3 games will have much better graphics than 360 games.

i agree for the most part but..

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Originally posted by shaka-de-virgo ps3 is going to be the most powerfull ,phisics,cell>3-cores,RSX>xeon. ps3 will play blu-ray movies right of the box,360 ony play dvd's.

i thought the some sony people said the 360 was going to be more powerful.

and, blu-ray isn't even a popular format yet. i have a feeling that hd-dvd will be the next standard for media.

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Originally posted by Omega_Blue and, blu-ray isn't even a popular format yet. i have a feeling that hd-dvd will be the next standard for media.

whats really funny is this "awesome" blu ray technology is proving to be one of the biggest problems for the design team and programmers

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Originally posted by Omega_Blue i thought the some sony people said the 360 was going to be more powerful.

fuck im tired of these kinda discussions tho. anyone that thinks a console's power is what to judge which to get (or which is "best") hasnt been gaming for very long. the differences are always neglible at best, and the system's support, software development & the game designers is whats fundamentally important.

there have been good and bad games on all systems since the dawn of time. if youre really that hung up on power, get a fvcking PC. we buy video cards for the same price you get your whole systems ffs.

its embarrassing to watch fanboys argue, especially about (potentially) ficticious differences when everyone pretends theyre a goddamn tech expert

if it must be a choice, it comes down to which system has the most games that you think you wanna play.

and i agree with others- if you wanna watch DVDs etc, buy a DVD player

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN fuck im tired of these kinda discussions tho. anyone that thinks a console's power is what to judge which to get (or which is "best") hasnt been gaming for very long. the differences are always neglible at best, and the system's support, software development & the game designers is whats fundamentally important.

Yup! If we look at the 6th-gen console battle, PS2 was technically inferior to the X-Box but still emerged as the favourite console thanks to the support from developers.

Look to the past to understand the future.

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN and i agree with others- if you wanna watch DVDs etc, buy a DVD player

Well, I use my PS2 as a DVD player, and I'm sure there are some others who also use their consoles to watch DVD movies. If the capacity is there then I might as well use it.

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Originally posted by Fundamental Well, I use my PS2 as a DVD player, and I'm sure there are some others who also use their consoles to watch DVD movies. If the capacity is there then I might as well use it.

i have an HDTV and I use my xbox/ps2 for DVDs at the moment, however, with blu-ray on the verge and the new HD Upconverters, I think I might spring for an upconverter now to hold me down until blu-ray proves itself. I'm already set on copping a ps3 so i'll be on the brink of the blu-ray era just with the hd dvd as a backup to that. besides the hd dvd's out now are pretty affordable - $150 samsung via circuit city (probably cheaper if you shop around)

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Originally posted by shaka-de-virgo yeah even if the ps3 is twice the price of the x-360 .it's totally worth it.which is doubt it's going 2 be that expensive. ps3 has a 60gb hard drive 3 times the size of the one in the x-360 ps3 is going to be the most powerfull ,phisics,cell>3-cores,RSX>xeon. ps3 will play blu-ray movies right of the box,360 ony play dvd's. ps3 will be compatible with ps2,ps1 games ,360 compatible's games are very limited. ps3 will have a free online service ,xbox has this pricey overated one. ps3 will have the best games , xbox is working his way trwo it but i willl never even come close to the ps3 line-up. ps3 will come right on tim e,360 was totally rushed ans the games arent really next gen. ps3 games will have much better graphics than 360 games.

-Ps2 had a 40gig harddrive, which hardly was used
-There is no actualy proof to indicate the Ps3 is more powerful, considering an actual game hasn't even been ran on the system or gamers allowed to demo games for the ps3. Most gaming sites and magazine are curretnly stating that all they see is CG produced media, nothing concrete.
-Bluray means nothing, the technology is going to be very expensive when it comes out, and on top of that, wether your medium can hold 10 gis or 1000gigs is not the point, its the games themselves that define the system.
-Ps3's backward compatibility is not an argue, I agree its far more reliable than the 360.
-Again, there is no gurantee that the online service is free, and if you think about it, why would Sony make their online service free? They want to make money.
-360 games are amazing, and its only first generation. Again, there is no proof that the ps3 is better, has better graphics until an actual game can be played on it. Plus, the thing is fucking almost 800 bucks canadian, you willing to pay that much? I have read many, many reports on the ps3 and most of the time its been nothing but skepticism. I would wait until the ps3 comes out, and then we will see wether or not its as good as it is. Its not to say that it will suck, only that we need to have a more concrete evidence about what the system is capable of.

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