What happened to the "Holland Hardcore"? (OFF-TOPIC)

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Posted by X4216354 on Feb-02-2002 04:46:

What happened to the "Holland Hardcore"? (OFF-TOPIC)

Hi!

Sorry for that thread... its offtopic or better off-forum!

I started with Techno in 1992 and in 1993 I started with the Holland Hardcore (Rotterdam Termination Source - Poing). After that I listened to the whole ID&T CDs... Earthquake, Thunderdome etc.. that was a great time. I visited the Netherlands every second Weekend to enjoy some good raves over there. Thunderdome 1996 in Belgium was the best one!!!

After Hardcore begun to kill itself(can you tell me to how produce slow Hardcore??? Is it Hardcore or what???)... I have still listened to Paul van Kerckhoven aka DJ Ruffneck etc... Gangsta Records, the all-mighty Artcore-Style from Dorndrecht... But I never went to any hardcore-party after 1998... Only for shopping and vacation I visited the Netherlands...

So pleaze... I think some Trance-Freaks of you had "hakke-history" and can tell me, what happened to the whole Hardcore-Nation Holland??? Some of you (I think so) are out of the roots of Hardcore... pleaze tell me what you think about the development of Hardcore and your sympathy for Trance...

In 2002 I'm not interested in any new hardcore... The old songs are good... but the new sh** (Thunderdome 2001 etc...) is really bad and boring... BUT: THE NEXT TRANCE ENERGY WILL BE MY NEXT PARTY IN THE NETHERLANDS!!! Two weeks ago I was in Amsterdam - and I bought a 4-CD Trance Compilaton Mix (Best of Trance 2001 Yearmix)... Perfect.

Cheers....

TR

Posted by mido on Feb-02-2002 08:45:

Hi there,

My meaning of this is that Hardcore is back in Buisines.

I went 2 hardcore party's till 1999 and then i thinked it was over with the hardcore. But I was so wrong! In 2001 I'm going again for the first time in 2 years to a hardcore party. And I must say that I liked better then before.

Hardcore is fast again with paranoid melody's.

My last Hardcore party wat Hardcore 4 Life in Tropicana Rotterdam 26-01-2002. And I've got the night of my life!

So I think you better can take a look again on a party overhere. And you will see that is back in buisines.

C Ya!!

Posted by serialkillah on Feb-02-2002 08:59:

I also think that hardcore is back. It is growing as we speak.

quote:
Paul van Kerckhoven

eeeuhm, his name isn't Paul but Patrick.... but hey... who cares

Posted by arno on Feb-02-2002 13:23:

hardcore just became more underground because nobody wanted to identified as a gabber anymore because of those stupid hakkuh & flippuh cd's.

Posted by New Wave on Feb-02-2002 13:46:

Where the hardcore is now? .....many years ago Hardcore was underground.....after a few years some losers made soms CRAP (gabberpiet , gabberwijfie) a few years after that hardcore dissapeared but the underground hardcore was still their.......but people forget cause hardcore wasn't in the top lists........that where the fake diehards, or the 'zwabbers'

NOW IT'S STILLL UNDERGROUND.....but that will be over soon when people will 'rape' the nature pure hardcore tune.......again.

Posted by X4216354 on Feb-02-2002 15:07:

LOL!!!

(gabberpiet , gabberwijfie) .... I heard that sounds... TERRIBLE!!!

Patrick van Kerckhoven, youre right... it was six o clock in the morning

Thx for info!

Posted by HertogJan on Feb-02-2002 18:08:

Ehh... I'm 17 now, when hardcore became popular, I was 12 years old, that was a bit too early to go to hardcore parties

A few years ago, when hardcore "died" and trance became more and more popular (like it is now) I listened only to commercial trance. But since about a year I listen to underground trance, go to parties and now I'm really a tranceaddict

If I was 17 when hardcore became popular, I'd probably be a hardcore underground hardcoreaddict by now!

That's not completely true, because I don't really like the hardcore. I like the fast paced music, but I LOVE the good melodies of trance/club/hardhouse... I think hardhouse is better than hardCORE because... well... Hardcore usually doesn't have good melodies.

But I have to admit I didn't hear real hardcore for a long time. Last track was Marshal Masters - I Like It Loud (and I don't think that's real hardcore, is it?)

Posted by X4216354 on Feb-02-2002 18:19:

Marshall Masters is (think so) German Hardcore (PCP, Frankfurt). I don't like the German Hardcore.

You are 17? OK, this explains your statement about Hardcore in Holland...

TR

Posted by serialkillah on Feb-02-2002 18:33:

quote:
I don't like the German Hardcore.

well I like most of the PCP sound, but I like it loud sucks

Posted by John on Feb-02-2002 20:56:

i like the old hardcore stuff, but the hardcore that is been released now is unknown to me... i only now the great traxx of my own 'hardcore glory days' back in 1996-1998
rotterdam terror corps, neophyte, 3 steps ahead, g-town madness, etc etc.. i still like their traxx =)
play dr macabre - poltergeist on maximum volume=)) sweeet heheh

Posted by arno on Feb-03-2002 19:35:

quote:
Originally posted by serialkillah

well I like most of the PCP sound, but I like it loud sucks

wasn't inferno bros. - slaves to the rave on pcp? real classic.

Posted by The Groove on Feb-03-2002 23:13:

quote:
Originally posted by mido
My meaning of this...

LOL!

Posted by mido on Feb-05-2002 22:29:

quote:
Originally posted by HertogJan
A few years ago, when hardcore "died"

Where did ya find the info that hardcore is dead???

It is still one of the biggest scenes in house music......

Open your eyes man!

*MY ENGLISH SUX*

Posted by The Groove on Feb-06-2002 09:35:

quote:
Originally posted by mido
*MY ENGLISH SUX*

Sorry dude, couldn't help myself

Posted by Miss Proximus on Feb-06-2002 10:17:

quote:
Originally posted by The Groove

Sorry dude, couldn't help myself

/me chuckels

I liked the German hardcore a lot too...but especially both the Rotterdam and the Italy sounds.....raaaaaarrrrr

I think most people are right ^^^^^ when they say that hardcore became too commercial, the "zwabbers" went away and it went underground again

However, this statement makes me out to be a zwabber which I never was...

I just got sick of the constant fighting and all them nasty-ass neo-nazis....I mean..Kardinge was fun, when all those losers got beaten up by a couple of Malakas...but hey...if you can't walk at a arty without being disturbed by some d00d or ugly bitch walking around in their Lonsdale shirts/sweaters, tight jeans and army boots..and then that HORRIBLE Dutch flag tattood on their foreheads.....jeeezzz

Around the time I got sick of the nazis I met my current boyfriend, who was a club-dj at the time. We went to a party together, Digital Overdose in the FECHallen in Leeuwarden, and since the hardcore hall was filled with neo's I decided to follow him to the Club/Trance hall and I was blown away with all the friendliness and companionship in that hall.....that was what I had been looking for So from that moment on I abandoned hardcore......and I have NEVER had any regrets...

My best buddy still goes to Germany (Bochum) now and then to do some "hakkuh" and he say the scene in Germany is MUCH MUCH better
I think so too, cuz all the times I went "hakkuh" in Germany it was a lot of fun and friendly peeps

Posted by Little Theseus on Feb-06-2002 23:14:

quote:
Originally posted by Miss Proximus

My best buddy still goes to Germany (Bochum) now and then to do some "hakkuh" and he say the scene in Germany is MUCH MUCH better
I think so too, cuz all the times I went "hakkuh" in Germany it was a lot of fun and friendly peeps

Its funny to see that hardcore is re-living more and more these days. Thunderdome has been given for 6000 ppl the last 3 times and was totally sold out each time. Also other hardcorepartys are getting bigger and bigger again. Slowly.. but surely.

Posted by PCP2017 on Feb-07-2002 09:16:

That's my feeling too these days, hardcore is slowly regaining some strenght after it was down there for a while.
Allthough i personally don't think that it will ever become again what it once was!
In it's glory days '94-'98, there where party's all over the Netherlands every weekened, a lot of them and huge raves many times a year!
I still have millions of flyers from those days, like trance and techno are these days, hardcore was doing it in the old days.
Filling up effortless the Statenhal Den Haag, FEC Leeuwarden, Sporthallen-Zuid Amsterdam, Maasvlakte HvH, Beursgebouw Eindhoven, Turbinnenhalle Oberhausen, Energiehal Rotterdam, USC Amsterdam, Jaarbeurs Utrecht, etc, time after time.
Had a great time, but after a while it all changed, the crowd got younger and younger, the music was raped by moneyhungry losers and the people forgot how it all begun and what it meant in the first place to be a gabber.
It became just that what it was all against in the first place, standing still on party's and looking dumb at each other, the "music" could be heard on the f*#cking top40 all the time and the whole atmosphere was gone....
So i stopped attending party's and listened to the music on my turntables @home, still very loud offcourse!
After a while i joined some friends again to a trance&techno party in Amsterdam and it had a very cool and party minded atmosphere, nice people and also great music, not like 200+ BPM but still some very loud badass bass and trippy melodies!!
It took off from there, that year was the first Innercity, loved it, and went to each and everyone and a lot more like 'em since then. The last party i've been to was Tiesto Solo9h last saturday and i had one of the best nights of my life.
So guess i'm a TranceAddicT now eh.......?!

CU@TE2002UTREG!!!