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bedroom dj's - is allan and heath really neccesary??

why buy a professional mixer like a A+h/urei/etc for like �1000 when its use is for bedroom djing?

i just dont get the point?

sure, if you need a ultra high quality low noise mixer for large events where noise matters then buy one. but is there really a point in getting a touring grade dj mixer for use in the bedroom?

im just curious because in my 8 years as a dj i have never once dreamed of blowing a grand on a mixer.

i will be purchasing a mixer of this high quality once my pa hire company fully takes off. but for use as a piece of hire equipment.

people will say - 'you can tell the difference on your recordings!' - i dissagree.

i await to hear your views

Its not just about the sound quality its about how enjoyable it is to use.

I do genuinely think that the sound quality on my xone 32 is much better than on my old mixers (gemini 676, numark 1001), I listen to recordings done through old and new and it is clear that the cheaper mixers have a much dirtier signal path. Its not just signal quality for me though, the build quality is far superior - the faders feel incredible in comparison. I had my numark 6 weeks before forking out �40 on a new fader. Ive had my xone 4 years and never once even heard a crackle. A mixer isnt just a mixer, you really do get what you pay for. On top of that you have the filters, which piss on any other mixer you'll hear. I think I paid nearly �600 for my mixer, whereas I spent about �400 on cheap mixers in the past.

In many cases it's just another ego thing. Some people need to feel like their setup is better than others. There will always be people like that in every walk of life...

Re: bedroom dj's - is allan and heath really neccesary??

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Originally posted by richg101 why buy a professional mixer like a A+h/urei/etc for like �1000 when its use is for bedroom djing? i just dont get the point? sure, if you need a ultra high quality low noise mixer for large events where noise matters then buy one. but is there really a point in getting a touring grade dj mixer for use in the bedroom? im just curious because in my 8 years as a dj i have never once dreamed of blowing a grand on a mixer. i will be purchasing a mixer of this high quality once my pa hire company fully takes off. but for use as a piece of hire equipment. people will say - 'you can tell the difference on your recordings!' - i dissagree. i await to hear your views

the same logic goes for super cars

half the people that buy them will never use them to their fullest ability, yet they want them and buy them anyway.

i can see your point! but also i want to add that people like to learn how a mixer feels they all are different in many respects!
from my experience i 3 weeks ago dj at a party and the guys had cdj's and a pioneer djm-600. so i bought 2 crates of vinyl around and i had never used this mixer. i was fine but sometimes you feel limited because you dont have as much confidence to use it to your potential. nothing much but mixed pretty well with it.

cdj OMFG! im saving for the MKII Pioneer 1000's, i had a go with their 800's and boy i found my way around them straight away no help needed which is ironic. love the feel to if not better than mixing vinyl lol.

but still i think you could say its a matter of what people want out of djing like if your pretty much into it alot them i would blow money on as good mid range mixer.

by the way i have a Vestax PCV-175 didn't have enough for 275 because the guys forced me to buy the mk5g's as they only had 1 mk5 in stock so i had to buy the expensive ones. but now i like them more than the mk5's

For me it's not only about that undeniable increase in sound quality but other features as well. For example, the main reason my next mixer will be an A&H is for those delicious filters.

I have two mixers. I have one with all the bells and whistles and one without.
I practice on both to give myself as many variations as possible so that I am better prepared for what I get in a club situation.

Over the years I have played on some of the best (and sometimes rarest) mixers in the world but a whole plethera of shiite mixers.

Will the sound quality make that much of a difference, the answer is yes but it depends on what you are comparing. If you compare a Xone 92 with a Numark Blue dog, then sure the difference will be noticable without question. Not to mention the difference in life expectancy in the two.
Once you start moving up the scale and compare like for like then what I think you get is more a question of the 'personality' of a mixer rather than a difference in sound quality. Some mixers can sound a little warmer than others and so on but not necessarilly worse.
In a club scenario this shouldn't make any difference as the theory is that the clubs EQ should be set according to the clubs accoustics and so on.

For home use one could argue in terms of actual need to have it but on the other hand, if you can afford it why not?

In a lot of cases, the life expectancy is one of the things you pay for and the more expensive club mixers do in theory at least last longer than the cheap stuff (with exceptions both ways of course).

Club mixers (Pioneers excluded) are generally easier to repair should you need to. Once one of the cheaper ones goes it's more often than not a case of it coming to the end of it's life.

More expensive mixers also allow for user maintainance such as the replacment of faders and so on. Some even allow for customisation.

The effect quality if that's what you are looking for is going to be different in tht mixers depending on their price class and this is the area where you get what you pay for.
This is also true for EQ response in most cases.

In my case, I make mixes for radio and promotional CDs that are handed out at club nights so I like to have the tools to do the job in the best way I feel possible.
I think that feeling might be true for a lot of the guys here, and they just want to do the best that they possibly can. Even if the difference is psychological, if it helps them get to where they want to be then who are we to argue.
There is a definate plus to the feel of a smooth well put together mixer at your finger tips but I agree that you should be able to get the job done on lesser quality gear.

There are many reasons why you may want to pay extra for a seemingly unjustified piece of kit, but I think the reasons go much deeper than sound quality alone.

Edit - The sound quality is only as good as the weakest piece of kit that you have, but you have to start improving somewhere.

Cheers
Nem

'bluedog' he he! do they still make that tiny little thing?

i think the djm600 is good for bedroom and for doing clubs. ive used the a and h mixer and although its sound is better quality i feel the djm is still no.1.

can someone please explain in detail what the filters on the a&h's do???

like FX etc...

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Originally posted by starboy can someone please explain in detail what the filters on the a&h's do???

Yup, it's basically a band pass filter.
It can be used to create nice swoopy effects and if used correctly can work as an EQ.

A band pass filter with resonance set high is one of the major components of a lot of swoosh sounds in production.
If you create white noise and filter it, voila, you have a swoosh a la trance.

In terms of over all usefulness I think they score pretty low especially if you compare it to a DJM 600 or 800 in my opinion, but the actual quality of the effect itself is very high.

Cheers
Nem

I agree there really is no need for an a&h in a bedroom setting. I could have kept my Pioneer or Vestax but I bought a 92 anyway because i could and I enjoy using it. Everyone has different priorities...

Hi end mixers

I think in the higher quality mixers its more than the sound quality it�s the sound quality you get when in the mix. Before I owned my Bozak, and later on I got a Urei as well. I had a Stanton and than a Vestax mixer. When two tracks are playing at the same time, the higher quality mixers in my experience do a much better job at allowing the individual elements of each track to come clearly in the mix. In any sound system large or small the front end will have the greatest impact on the sound. I have never had anyone come over and mix at my house and say they didn't notice a difference. You can make the same cost argument for any piece of gear. In the end you get what you pay for.


Allen

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Originally posted by Nemesis44 Yup, it's basically a band pass filter. It can be used to create nice swoopy effects and if used correctly can work as an EQ. A band pass filter with resonance set high is one of the major components of a lot of swoosh sounds in production. If you create white noise and filter it, voila, you have a swoosh a la trance. In terms of over all usefulness I think they score pretty low especially if you compare it to a DJM 600 or 800 in my opinion, but the actual quality of the effect itself is very high. Cheers Nem

I think this may have swooshed right over his head...

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Originally posted by Nemesis44 In my case, I make mixes for radio and promotional CDs that are handed out at club nights so I like to have the tools to do the job in the best way I feel possible. I think that feeling might be true for a lot of the guys here, and they just want to do the best that they possibly can. Even if the difference is psychological, if it helps them get to where they want to be then who are we to argue. There is a definate plus to the feel of a smooth well put together mixer at your finger tips but I agree that you should be able to get the job done on lesser quality gear. There are many reasons why you may want to pay extra for a seemingly unjustified piece of kit, but I think the reasons go much deeper than sound quality alone. Edit - The sound quality is only as good as the weakest piece of kit that you have, but you have to start improving somewhere. Cheers Nem

true, a good mixer will allow you to sound the way you want to sound. -especially for dj's have more of the long smooth fade kind of a style like my self. low/mid range mixers usually aren't built w/us in mind. either the faders are too short (45mm) or the curve isn't ideal for what we want to do. a low end mixer is just that, a low end mixer, all it's ever gonna do is "just get the job done"... but never to our level of expectations, or touch on what is truley possible.

As I'm sure many people have already mentioned, these mixers have features on them that are both enjoyable and useful. Yes, you probably aren't going to need professional sound quality in your bedroom (which is why people rarely buy Xone V6's for their home setups), but the features packed into these mixers makes them worth the price.

Me, I want a Nuo 5.

A&H suck... they just shot down my application for a job.

economically, its not a wise choice but if youre an audiophile, youre an audiophile and fetishes like that will run you a high bill no matter what you like.

Re: bedroom dj's - is allan and heath really neccesary??

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Originally posted by richg101 why buy a professional mixer like a A+h/urei/etc for like �1000 when its use is for bedroom djing? i just dont get the point? sure, if you need a ultra high quality low noise mixer for large events where noise matters then buy one. but is there really a point in getting a touring grade dj mixer for use in the bedroom? im just curious because in my 8 years as a dj i have never once dreamed of blowing a grand on a mixer. i will be purchasing a mixer of this high quality once my pa hire company fully takes off. but for use as a piece of hire equipment. people will say - 'you can tell the difference on your recordings!' - i dissagree. i await to hear your views

First of all. Are you the mixer police??

Who are you to come on and preach to people? I have never wasted my time with low end mixers for several reasons. Function, usablity and ENJOYMENT. Sound qulaity is not something the really comes into it. You stick toyour Numark Blue Dog, but don't come on here all high and mighty as if we are wrong to use our money any way we please..

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Originally posted by WeasiL I bought a 92 anyway because i could and I enjoy using it. Everyone has different priorities...

thats what it all comes down to IMO.

consider that people easily spend more than that amount on very minor upgrades on a car for example. If sound quality if your things, GPB1000 is not really all that much to spend. add to that quality, you get functions that other mixers don't have, filters, 4 band eq, it can well be worthwhile, depending on what you value

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Originally posted by kimchi thats what it all comes down to IMO.

Yep, if you use it then it's good that you buy it!

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Originally posted by Greedy economically, its not a wise choice but if youre an audiophile, youre an audiophile and fetishes like that will run you a high bill no matter what you like.

ecnomically for who?

matters on each individual. for me i have nothing to pay for besides the things i want so i buy what i want.

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