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sorry if this is a repost and i donno if this is even true

Retro DJ Mixers Dying?
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- GizmodoAllen & Heath make sexy mixers and a number of famous names, including Pink Floyd and the Who, have twiddled the knobs of more than one of their handmade consoles.

It appears, however, because each devices uses old-timey tubes and contains some lead, Allen & Heath might have to stop producing some of their more famous models. Thanks to the England�s Reduction of Hazardous Substances Act�originally designed to prevent unscrupulous junk vendors from dumping loads of toxic crap on an unsuspecting public�these classics will probably go the way of the dodo.

I doubt this is true, cmon its not like there is loads of lead in them, its not like there are millions being made, bought and thrown away every day of every week or every year either.

There was a big discussion about vinyl becomming extinct cause of pollutants it produces. It's all bullshit, don't panic.

The vinyl one was bullshit but this lead one i have heard of and it is true.
Its going to be a large problem for all electronics entering England, not just for these beautiful A&H mixers.

And there you have it kids...

Don't lick your mixer or you will turn into a fucking retard!

Cheers
Nem


PS
This is a reference to lead in the mixer not any of the above posters.

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Originally posted by Lunar Phase 7 I doubt this is true, cmon its not like there is loads of lead in them, its not like there are millions being made, bought and thrown away every day of every week or every year either. There was a big discussion about vinyl becomming extinct cause of pollutants it produces. It's all bullshit, don't panic.

If it were just mixers being made this way then fine but there are so many electyronics being thrown away etc.

What cracks me up more than anything else is that all of Europe is going mad with eco friendly (and rightly so I might add) the worst offenders couldn't care less.
It's like being locked in a speeding car with a suicidal driver.

Cheers
Nem

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Originally posted by Nemesis44 And there you have it kids... Don't lick your mixer or you will turn into a fucking retard! Cheers Nem PS This is a reference to lead in the mixer not any of the above posters.

as long as they still make the 92 it's all good

Yeah honestly doubt if it will effect me... I have no desire to dump a months pay into a v6 or 1620 nor do i ever think i will... All it will do (if it is actually true) is make the already existing ones more appealing and expensive (not like they needed it!)

They are already working on alternatives to the lead in certain electronic components and such.
Atleast they are doing something about it, aslong as the replacement comes by before the laws fully take off who cares?
I might sound like a hippy but we need to stop start preserving what we got left. In Australia we are at good risk of skin cancer because we already live under a huge hole.

Rotary mixers frighten me... I'm ashamed to say it, but I haven't a clue... I look at them, and I'm instantly perplexed...

Edit: I should clarify, I don't mean just "rotary," because I love the Xone 92 Rotary, but I guess I mean this style of Rotary, or like the Rane Rotary... I just don't understand them.

As long as the law doesn't affect those pricey vacuum tube preamps a&h will find a way around it

i remember reading something about that when doing research on solder. people in the eu and i guess the uk also, are unhappy about not being able able to solder w/lead in it. they say the lead-free stuff doesn't last as long, and generally doesn't sound as good as the solder from TRT, or Cardas.

it sucks to have give up something, and not have a suitible replacement for it.

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Originally posted by DJ RJT Rotary mixers frighten me... I'm ashamed to say it, but I haven't a clue... I look at them, and I'm instantly perplexed... Edit: I should clarify, I don't mean just "rotary," because I love the Xone 92 Rotary, but I guess I mean this style of Rotary, or like the Rane Rotary... I just don't understand them.

What's not to understand? I'm sorry, I'm perplexed by your perplexedness.

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Originally posted by DJ RJT Rotary mixers frighten me... I'm ashamed to say it, but I haven't a clue... I look at them, and I'm instantly perplexed... Edit: I should clarify, I don't mean just "rotary," because I love the Xone 92 Rotary, but I guess I mean this style of Rotary, or like the Rane Rotary... I just don't understand them.

No better time to learn then now! Here -- start by buying this one on eBay:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...AMESE%3AIT&rd=1

The owner just replaced it with a DJM-800. ;-)

I think a lot of DJs freak out when they see a rotary. I'd probably have a hard time in front of a v6 until I got the hang of it. The EQ's on that thing perplex me. But they aren't all bad. The world needs the v6 so lets hope it doesn't go away.

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Originally posted by Trogdor What's not to understand? I'm sorry, I'm perplexed by your perplexedness.

Well, I've never had the opportunity to actually play on one, so all I can go on are the pictures I look at on sites like Allen & Heaths... http://www.xone.co.uk/images/Hi-Rez..._main_hires.jpg

Now, when I look at this, I guess I do understand a lot of how the mixer is set up, but the biggest thing I don't understand is how you EQ each channel. I see volume knobs and what appear to be EQ nobs on the right, but how are they assigned to each channel?

I know this sounds like a n00b question, but honestly, I'm from Wisconsin, and people here are genuinely shocked and blown away by the fact that when I play out I bring my own mixer (A&H Xone 62) because they've never seen such a nice piece of equipment... We don't exactly have a ton of 2000-5000 dollar rotary mixers chillin' in our clubs here. I've always wanted to learn though, as I think it's irresponsible to not be able to adapt to whatever is installed in a club.... Figured this would be a good thread to voice my noobness in.

Another thing getting slaughtered by this are Church Organs. Apparently they contain a lot of lead and theres no other way to do it properly.

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Originally posted by DJ RJT Now, when I look at this, I guess I do understand a lot of how the mixer is set up, but the biggest thing I don't understand is how you EQ each channel. I see volume knobs and what appear to be EQ nobs on the right, but how are they assigned to each channel?

They're not. You don't eq, because it doesn't have any. There are hi-pass filters instead. If you really want eq's, you can buy a separate eq module for it, or three of them (at $2000 a piece) if you want permanent eqs on each channel. Similarly, the Rane MP2016 offers the XP2016 expansion if you really need eqs.

But basically, there are no eqs on the stock unit. Traditionally, all transitions are done with the volume pots only. But the hi-pass filters do the job quite nicely. You get the hang of it. The one I used had no eq units, but it did have a VF-1, which was awesome. It also had a crossfader, for some reason. I don't know why the hell anyone would buy that (another $2000) for a V6, it kinda defeats the purpose: pure mixing.

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Originally posted by Trogdor They're not. You don't eq, because it doesn't have any. There are hi-pass filters instead. If you really want eq's, you can buy a separate eq module for it, or three of them (at $2000 a piece) if you want permanent eqs on each channel. Similarly, the Rane MP2016 offers the XP2016 expansion if you really need eqs. But basically, there are no eqs on the stock unit. Traditionally, all transitions are done with the volume pots only. But the hi-pass filters do the job quite nicely. You get the hang of it. The one I used had no eq units, but it did have a VF-1, which was awesome. It also had a crossfader, for some reason. I don't know why the hell anyone would buy that (another $2000) for a V6, it kinda defeats the purpose: pure mixing.

Thank you so much dude... So just so I'm kind of clear on this, would it be similar to mixing using the highpass filter on my Xone, and then you just EQ the master?

If I'm totally missing the point, feel free to mock me...

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Originally posted by DJ RJT Thank you so much dude... So just so I'm kind of clear on this, would it be similar to mixing using the highpass filter on my Xone, and then you just EQ the master? If I'm totally missing the point, feel free to mock me...

Exactly! Except there's a hi-pass filter for each channel, so it's used like the low EQ.

Well what about guitar amps??? All the high end or at least decent guitar amps all run with tube or at least one should expect them too.

man....this rotary shit is RETARDED!!!! why the hell would anyone buy some rotary mixer w/o EQs weighing a tonn....fucking retarded mixer and fuck the rotary... long (60 mm and up) fader is the way to go!!!

*throws up on V6* *pisses with both hands and spits on V6*

LOL

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Originally posted by blacknoizybox man....this rotary shit is RETARDED!!!! why the hell would anyone buy some rotary mixer w/o EQs weighing a tonn....fucking retarded mixer and fuck the rotary... long (60 mm and up) fader is the way to go!!! *throws up on V6* *pisses with both hands and spits on V6* LOL

such opinionated replies could only possibly come from:
A. A completely clueless tool.
B. Someone who thinks they know it all ( when really they don't ).


Either way you're an idiot for not realizing that everyone has their own personal preferences; and just because you happen to not like this kind of mixer doesn't mean you are allowed to discredit everyone elses opinion on the product.

WHA???? i didnt say anything regarding anyones preferences, i said the rotary faders are RETARTED, which means i would not prefer to buy them because i dislike them. man....

....anyways..im sorry if i offended anyone personaly/directly/indirectly.. PM me for my CC details

Im confused about how a fader can be retarded...
Why would you buy a sports car (eg. ferrari) that doesnt even have a radio?

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Originally posted by DJ 00 Tommy Im confused about how a fader can be retarded... Why would you buy a sports car (eg. ferrari) that doesnt even have a radio?

i wouldnt...
id buy i Toyota with comfortable leather seats and a radio

p.s. love ur avatar LOL %)

I think you guys are missing the point... you don't need EQ's to mix, get over it. For years and years DJ's were mixing on Bozaks and Urei's, which don't even have GAIN controls. Everything is done using the volume pots.

Those classic rotaries and thing like the MP2016 and the V6 have such fantastic sound quality that mixing on them is like butter. The V6 was created to be reminiscent of those vintage mixers.

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Originally posted by DJ 00 Tommy Im confused about how a fader can be retarded... Why would you buy a sports car (eg. ferrari) that doesnt even have a radio?

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