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Ducking/compression effect without the drums

We've all heard that sound: suppose there's a pad or some other effect going as the kick is beating, and sometimes the compression effect is really obvious.

Now, suppose the kick is removed, but we still hear the pad pulsating as before. How do you get say, Ableton or Cubase to make this effect?

I don't have a sample just yet.

just mute the kick.

I'm a newbie, so to me, muting the kick removes most of the compression effect, so the pad no longer 'pulsates'. Somehow I want the program to allow the kick to affect the compression, without actually mixing it in.

Sidechain the pad with something else than the kick I suppose. I've never tried it tho.

In Ableton, at least, you can automate the volume envelopes. I did a tutorial over here on AP:

http://www.audiopioneers.net/forum/...read.php?t=1611

You could also try using some other compressors that don't color the sound as much or not having the ratio on your compressor so high - it's all about playing around with the sound.

route the kick to the sidechaining compressor, but not to the output?

just duplicate the kick track. one track to feed the sidechain input of the compressor and the second track is the kick that you actually hear.

Talking about Sidechaining, are there any Fruity users out there who properly sidechain, rather than using the peak controller? The problem that I am having is that you cannot have a mono signal from a stereo channel in Fruity. The sidechain works, but only comes out of say the left channel that it is panned to from the source track. I know Cubase has the ability to get a mono signal from the stereo group, settin g the group track to Stereo Dual Panner mode. Is there a plugin to change the stereo groups signal to mono, or does anybody know if there a workaround to this problem?

Thx.


PC

In FL6's mixer there's a little knob under the section where you instert FX for controlling the stereo separation. To make track mono, just turn it to the right.
And to do sidechaining I use Sidekick

Don't mute it. Just pull the volume all the way down. This way the compressor will still get the signal as Pjotr G mentioned. If you just mute it, the compressor will have no signal to sidechain to.

- farris

that depends on your routing.
If I turn my kick volume down, nothing gets sent to the sidechain.

my mixer has a little knob and if it is pressed the output gets sent to the main output bus, and otherwise it doesn't

True, I was more talking about when using the Compdare compressor for instance. Using that one, you can put the volume down and still have the sidechain effect .

- farris

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Originally posted by Honzi In FL6's mixer there's a little knob under the section where you instert FX for controlling the stereo separation. To make track mono, just turn it to the right. And to do sidechaining I use Sidekick

Cheers Farris

I knew about the stereo separation knob on the mixer, but didn't know that was how you get it to be a mono signal. I've tried sidekick and I couldn't get it to work. I could see the signal on the vu meter, but no sound. I put a sidekick on the bass channel and on the kick channel and made sure that they were using the same virtual channel, but to no avail!

Any ideas?

PC

Thanks for the responses! I thought of the duplication idea but I haven't tried it yet.

Edit: Nope, I didn't think it would work. Maybe Ableton just isn't capable of this.

Easy as hell to do in Ableton.

Just add an Impulse and give it a kick sample and a simple four four pattern. Route the output of this channel over to whatever channel you have your sidechain compressor hooked up to. This new Impulse will now be the trigger for the sidechain compressor, so there's no dependancy on your actual kick. You can create some really cool lead sounds this way.

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Originally posted by paulc_dj

The plugins are bypassed by default, but I think you already know it, else you wouldn't have the meters lit up.

And don't select any virtual channel on kick's sidekick, just use it to send the audio to another channel, which you select on bass's sidekick.

i made a simple little thing in fruityloops, see if this helps...

clicky

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Originally posted by retrobyte In Ableton, at least, you can automate the volume envelopes. I did a tutorial over here on AP: http://www.audiopioneers.net/forum/...read.php?t=1611 You could also try using some other compressors that don't color the sound as much or not having the ratio on your compressor so high - it's all about playing around with the sound.

If your cpu has enough power you could always just make a copy of that synth and kick and do the same again but with the other way around and viola you should have stereo.
For some its probably not feasable but its worth a try.

Try doing it with a gate effect instead.
"mgTriggerGate" is a good one:

http://www.mgaudio.de/

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Originally posted by Speactra Try doing it with a gate effect instead. "mgTriggerGate" is a good one: http://www.mgaudio.de/

Wow. I was always wanting one of these. Awesome!

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Originally posted by matt_j I'm a newbie, so to me, muting the kick removes most of the compression effect, so the pad no longer 'pulsates'. Somehow I want the program to allow the kick to affect the compression, without actually mixing it in.

If you're a newbie, start out with FL Studio or Reason. Not pro. software.

yeah, the use the kiddy software instead!

Don't what you meant to say, but forgot to mention that FL actually has some neat features that make it easy to SIDECHAIN as this effect is called.
Reason has some features for this too, but it's a bit more complicated.

I meant that "pro" is in the eye of the beholder

Yeah, from the start I didn't think Ableton would be the right program for the job, however I did learn a lot (being a noob)

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