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Solidarity with my aboriginal warriors. We shall rise up and take back what is ours.

Standoff at Caledonia
Apr. 21, 2006. 06:21 AM
PETER EDWARDS AND PHINJO GOMBU
STAFF REPORTERS

CALEDONIA�Yesterday's dramatic pre-dawn police raid aimed at ending a 52-day occupation of a partially built housing development by Six Nations Mohawks had, by late last night, devolved into a tense standoff, potentially with national implications.

The day was filled with the kinds of images common to native land-claim conflicts: gravel blockades and makeshift barriers, protestors wearing bandanas, heaps of burning tires creating plumes of black smoke as police choppers flew overhead.

At one point, protestors toppled a minivan over an overpass. The van was donated by a sympathizer and towed to the bridge for the purpose of throwing it off, an indication that some protestors were keen to play to the growing media spotlight.

The clash centres on a plot of land the protestors say was stolen from the Six Nations nearly two centuries ago.

The developer says the tribe surrendered the land to the government in 1841 on the understanding that it would sell it and invest the money for the benefit of the natives.

Janie Jamieson, a spokeswoman for the protestors, argues it was only meant to be leased.

By sunset, a footbridge over the train tracks in Caledonia was engulfed in flames � police did not know who was responsible � about two kilometres from the area in dispute.

Police cordoned off the area and the bridge continued to burn as darkness fell and more natives from other reserves arrived at the disputed 40-hectare tract, where 250 homes are slated for construction.

There were no reports of injuries, but there were heated exchanges.

"Will you live in peace with us?" shouted a native elder named Karen as a group of natives marched toward a group of area residents. "We have no guns, we have no weapons, we are a peaceful community."

Some residents yelled back, pointing to the two-by-fours carried by several protesters wearing army fatigues and gas masks.

One man carrying a crowbar began to argue with a resident.

"Leave him be," shouted other protestors, who separated the two. "We're against something bigger."

At about 9 p.m., five uniformed OPP officers on foot pushed residents back to create a buffer zone with the protestors.

The disorder was triggered when Ontario Provincial Police officers stormed Douglas Creek Estates at about 5 a.m. yesterday and arrested 16 activists, charging them with mischief and assaulting police. Police said they moved in because they feared for public safety.

Earlier this week, developers John and Don Henning, who own Henco Industries, had threatened to sue the OPP for failing to evict protestors after an Ontario Superior Court judge ruled the occupation illegal.

News of the raid spread quickly and supporters from reserves across Ontario, Quebec and Manitoba converged on the site, slipping behind police lines.

One area resident criticized police for having "abandoned their post."

Officers pulled back and formed a broader perimeter around the construction site in the interest of public safety, according to OPP Deputy Commissioner Maurice Pilon, who appealed for calm at a news conference in nearby Cayuga.

"Violence is certainly not the answer," Pilon said, adding: "We have no immediate plans to go in there again."

Three officers were injured in the raid, including one who needed stitches in his head after being hit with a bag of rocks, Pilon said. He said he believed officers used restraint, although natives complained of pepper spray, Tasers and drawn guns in the hands of officers.

There have been negotiations involving federal and provincial officials to resolve the dispute, but talks apparently broke down Tuesday.

"We are caught in the middle of this situation," Pilon said.

Prime Minister Stephen Harper said the government was "watching all of these things closely.

"We obviously prefer to have peaceful resolutions, but we gather there has been some attempt at that and the situation is quite complex on the ground," Harper said in Montreal.

In Caledonia, a Manitoba man who appeared to be in his late 20s said: "We think this protest has national implications."

He said he hoped it would not see a repeat of the 1995 Ipperwash confrontation, in which unarmed native protestor Anthony (Dudley) George was shot dead by an OPP sniper.

"I hope they learned something from last time," said the man, his face concealed by a bandana.

Well aware of the political impact Ipperwash had on the Conservative government of Mike Harris, Liberal Premier Dalton McGuinty denied yesterday that he knew police were poised to storm the makeshift encampment some 25 kilometres south of Hamilton.

"This police action comes completely independent of me, my office and my government," McGuinty said.

Concerns that the situation could escalate had Ontario Regional Chief Angus Toulouse appealing for all parties to remain calm and urging "continued efforts to work toward a peaceful, negotiated resolution."

In a news release, Toulouse said Six Nations Chief David General, "while appreciative of the support of the other First Nations communities in Canada, is appealing for supporters not to travel down to the Caledonia site, as the situation is at a crisis stage."

Yesterday, residents of the Kahnawake Mohawk Reservation, south of Montreal, raised Warrior flags above the iron girders of the Mercier Bridge, the one that was barricaded for weeks during the 1990 Oka crisis. The flags were placed to show solidarity with those manning the Caledonia blockade.

Carol Van Imp, a local resident and nurse, said the native blockade was causing tremendous harm to residents and businesses in and around Caledonia. Classes at six area schools were cancelled.

"The government needs to come in, bring in the army and clean it up," she said. "This is not going to be solved peacefully."

Another resident, who gave her name only as Shelly, said she had sympathy for the protestors. "These people have been peaceful. They have treated me with respect," she said.

"Give these people the land, compensate the builders, compensate the people who own the houses and leave us alone."

While their tactics might suggest indiscriminate hooliganism, Six Nations members are for the most part young, educated and determined to relentlessly pursue outstanding land claims, a native professor says.

Dawn Martin Hill, director of the Indigenous Studies program at Hamilton's McMaster University, said yesterday those manning the blockade are not troublemakers but rather well versed on treaty rights.

"We have a young population here at Six Nations, the highest employment rate in the country (among natives). We have the highest level of educational achievement and they know the facts," said Hill, who lives on the reserve along with about 8,500 Mohawks. Some 12,500 more live off the reserve.

"Today, you don't have an angry group of young people, you have a thinking group of young who want to act to bring about change they feel is necessary."

With files by Richard Brennan, Rob Ferguson, Sean Gordon
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We shall reclaim the land that is entitled to us in the treaties. We shall succeeed because the great spirit is with us.

Canada jin daikarai!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Kill all the crackers!

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Originally posted by Cuzo Kill all the crackers!

look out mr. triscuit!!!!!

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Originally posted by Floorwhore look out mr. triscuit!!!!!

are animal crackers in danger... or will their cookie like goodness allow them to camouflage themselves within the wild?

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Originally posted by swilly We shall reclaim the land that is entitled to us in the treaties. We shall succeeed because the great spirit is with us. Canada jin daikarai!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You do realize that most EDM comes from Europe, right?

Shit like this pisses me off. My understanding is that these lands were ceded back to the crown nearly 100 years ago. Moreover, the treaty the 6 nations claim gives them this land was granted by the Colonial government.... it was not one of the treaties assumed when Canada became a country, subsequently, Canada has no obligation to honour it (it is invalid, however, as stated earlier it doesn't matter because the land was sold back to the crown).

What really gets me laughing though is that with all of these land claims the bands really don't give a damn about the land until someone starts to develop it. Then all of a suddon they want it back. Why? Money that's why! Plain and simple. The "First Nations" disgust me.... always reaching out for scraps and taking whatever they can. Seriously.... give up your second rate lives begging the feds to pay for your meager lives and go get yourself something better.

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Originally posted by Moral Hazard Shit like this pisses me off. My understanding is that these lands were ceded back to the crown nearly 100 years ago. Moreover, the treaty the 6 nations claim gives them this land was granted by the Colonial government.... it was not one of the treaties assumed when Canada became a country, subsequently, Canada has no obligation to honour it (it is invalid, however, as stated earlier it doesn't matter because the land was sold back to the crown). What really gets me laughing though is that with all of these land claims the bands really don't give a damn about the land until someone starts to develop it. Then all of a suddon they want it back. Why? Money that's why! Plain and simple. The "First Nations" disgust me.... always reaching out for scraps and taking whatever they can. Seriously.... give up your second rate lives begging the feds to pay for your meager lives and go get yourself something better.

Wow, a little strong, don't you think. I mean, billions are squandered on shit all the time, every day, yet what little these people ask for, is too much?
That's right, throw in bureaucracy, law, and red tape, tools develope by this nation, for this nation, to somehow legitimize stealing.

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Originally posted by Billche are animal crackers in danger... or will their cookie like goodness allow them to camouflage themselves within the wild?

precisely.

i totally spelled that wrong, didnt i?

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Originally posted by Moral Hazard Shit like this pisses me off. My understanding is that these lands were ceded back to the crown nearly 100 years ago. Moreover, the treaty the 6 nations claim gives them this land was granted by the Colonial government.... it was not one of the treaties assumed when Canada became a country, subsequently, Canada has no obligation to honour it (it is invalid, however, as stated earlier it doesn't matter because the land was sold back to the crown). What really gets me laughing though is that with all of these land claims the bands really don't give a damn about the land until someone starts to develop it. Then all of a suddon they want it back. Why? Money that's why! Plain and simple. The "First Nations" disgust me.... always reaching out for scraps and taking whatever they can. Seriously.... give up your second rate lives begging the feds to pay for your meager lives and go get yourself something better.

i agree entirely. and as im from BC, i know exactly what you mean.

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Originally posted by zokissima Wow, a little strong, don't you think. I mean, billions are squandered on shit all the time, every day, yet what little these people ask for, is too much? That's right, throw in bureaucracy, law, and red tape, tools develope by this nation, for this nation, to somehow legitimize stealing.

No, no, no... you have it wrong. I don't object to the money they receive I object to the attitude they have. The "you stole our land so now you have to pay for me to and my decendents in perpituity to live without our actually contributing anything to society" thinking is just plain wrong. What other civilization do you know of that has ever conqured new territory and then not only allowed the pre-existing inhabitants to live but actually endevored to assist them by granting them free land, economic subsidies, and the autonomy to live as they did before. NONE, only the British did this. Quite honestly every single "first nation" person should be kissing our asses for not having killed them off 300 years ago.

What makes it even worse is that all the land granted to them, the economic subsidies, the autonomous rule.... it was all meant to allow them to continue living as they were when the Europeans first arived. Have they done that.... not even close. Instead they spend the money on satellite TV, cars, drugs, alcohol, etc. Don't get me wrong, there are a lot of hard working first nations people that have done well for themselves and live good lives but the vast majority are simply the best paid welfare bums arround. The funniest thing of it all is that most people look down on life long welfare recipients but few would feel the same about the "natives"... why? because they were here first.... sorry, that doesn't cut it in my book.

/\ Ok, I understand what you mean. Yes, I misinterpreted your first post

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Quite honestly every single "first nation" person should be kissing our asses for not having killed them off 300 years ago.

wow...

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Originally posted by Xavier Moriarty wow...

X a gajillion.

^^^ it's crule but effective.... you don't hear anything about Aztec or Inca land claims do you?

dude chill out......they are not the only ones trying to get a piece of the pie in this world....yes there might be some things that need work in social assistance etc but you have to remember that they have not had it as EASY as you think. I think that a lack of education and not feeling like a 'true' Canadian but a 2nd rate citizen over the generations will do that to a community

CANADA is a great country because of the tolerance

if you don't like it perhaps move back to Serbia? otherwise please try to understand the situation.....too many people with views like that are going to turn this place into the US

they need to lay off the...

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Originally posted by superIMPOSED dude chill out......they are not the only ones trying to get a piece of the pie in this world....yes there might be some things that need work in social assistance etc but you have to remember that they have not had it as EASY as you think. I think that a lack of education and not feeling like a 'true' Canadian but a 2nd rate citizen over the generations will do that to a community CANADA is a great country because of the tolerance if you don't like it perhaps move back to Serbia? otherwise please try to understand the situation.....too many people with views like that are going to turn this place into the US

Serbia? Where did that come from?

Listen up, if the "natives" feel like second rate citizens that's because they are and if they are it's because they have allowed themselves to become so. They need not remain on reservation, they are not forced to live off of assistance, these are choices. If they want to leave the reservation and get a job, earn a better life, become a regular citizen they are allowed to do so. Hell, if they want to remain on the reserve and get a job they can do so too and still receive all the benefits that come along with the Indian Act. Those that do seek a better life and attain it should be proud. Those that do not and believe that the country owes them everything their hearts desire are the ones that disgust me.

I really think the government needs to resolve this one and for all. Give the natives their self-govenment on the condition that they get a one time cash allowance per resident and no future assistance from the feds. They'll piss through that in no time (especially considering the wide spread corruption amongst the bands which even the counsel of first nations acknowledges as an epidemic) and burry themselves in debt. With no other options they'll be forced to sell the land and we can be done with this shit once and for all.... with the exception of perhaps the Cree in Quebec who own tons of resources and have embraced western society and the work ethic that comes along with it.

lol....sorry I thought you were Serbian and was trying to take a jab at you

The point I was trying to make is that you have to admnit they have not always been treated as equal, and like I said maybe I am making a bad assumption here but in general they lack education, hence difficult to get good work and become integrated into 'our' society Their overall view of life is not like yours, I am not saying they do not have opportunities to change but it will take time and patience from us.

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if you don't like it perhaps move back to Serbia?

i think you made mistake there. i have nothing against native nations, i totally understand their anger.

but that doesnt matter. that kind of mentality, "go back where you came from" or "The "First Nations" disgust me.... always reaching out for scraps and taking whatever they can" will be our downfall.

dont forget, we are all here for one reason and one reason only, to make sure our future is secure and future of our children.

serbian, iranian, native canadian...

whats the difference?

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Originally posted by superIMPOSED lol....sorry I thought you were Serbian and was trying to take a jab at you The point I was trying to make is that you have to admnit they have not always been treated as equal, and like I said maybe I am making a bad assumption here but in general they lack education, hence difficult to get good work and become integrated into 'our' society Their overall view of life is not like yours, I am not saying they do not have opportunities to change but it will take time and patience from us.

Granted, they have not been treated as equal (sometimes to their benefit) and there have been horrible abuses in the past (such as the whole residential school debauchal), however, they are afforded the same opportunities as everybody else. The fact that they do not take advantage of those is their failing, not ours. Their inability to become intergrated into society is resultant of their decision not to participate in our society. More time is not what they need as they have had hundreds of years and things are getting progressively worse and it seems their focus and solution is to demand more and more hand outs. What they need is a crisis that will force them to a better life.... or they can continue to live as they do and watch their children kill themselves in ever increasing numbers with each successive generation. I'm fine with either.

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Originally posted by Moral Hazard Serbia? Where did that come from? Listen up, if the "natives" feel like second rate citizens that's because they are and if they are it's because they have allowed themselves to become so. They need not remain on reservation, they are not forced to live off of assistance, these are choices. If they want to leave the reservation and get a job, earn a better life, become a regular citizen they are allowed to do so. Hell, if they want to remain on the reserve and get a job they can do so too and still receive all the benefits that come along with the Indian Act. Those that do seek a better life and attain it should be proud. Those that do not and believe that the country owes them everything their hearts desire are the ones that disgust me. I really think the government needs to resolve this one and for all. Give the natives their self-govenment on the condition that they get a one time cash allowance per resident and no future assistance from the feds. They'll piss through that in no time (especially considering the wide spread corruption amongst the bands which even the counsel of first nations acknowledges as an epidemic) and burry themselves in debt. With no other options they'll be forced to sell the land and we can be done with this shit once and for all.... with the exception of perhaps the Cree in Quebec who own tons of resources and have embraced western society and the work ethic that comes along with it.

cmon bro.

you remember couple months ago when guvernmet had to relocate couple thousands of native canadians cause they ignored their needs they didnt had drinking water??????"

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Originally posted by Xavier Moriarty cmon bro. you remember couple months ago when guvernmet had to relocate couple thousands of native canadians cause they ignored their needs they didnt had drinking water??????"

"cause they ignored their needs..." what are they children? What community other then a reservation cannot address it's own needs for something as basic as drinking water? Why was it that they couldn't solve the problem themselves.... oh yeah, because they needed money.... I wonder what they squandered their band infrastructure budget (given by the feds) on..... I bet the chief has a brand new SUV or the band has a nice new community centre. I guess compared to those things water really isn't that important.

read more about that and you will see that you're wrong.

i see you made up your mind and there is no point arguing with ya so i'll stop now.

just remember, this is a nation of warriors and this will get uglier before it gets better.

you can screw somebody just that much.

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Originally posted by Xavier Moriarty i see you made up your mind and there is no point arguing with ya so i'll stop now.

No, please, don't ever give up arguing a point simply because someone doesn't appear as though they will be swayed. There are always spectators that could hear you and gleen useful information in making up their minds.

I know I'm being a bit of an ass here and taking it too far.... that's just for entertainment.

My real position is this.... For the good of those living in sub standard conditions within the reserve system's own good, the Indian Act should be scraped, the reserve system dismantled and Aborigionals afforded the same benefits as any other cultural group. This will force an end to the ill-concieved idea of allowing a iron aged culture to exist along side the contemporaries (as was the intend to the Crown back in the 1700s). It is only by abolishing the current system that the aborigionals can be made part of mainstream society and only by being part of mainstream society will their suffering end.

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