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Amsterdam to Muslim women: Drop the burka if you want unemployment benefits

From Der Spiegel

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Amsterdam Mulls Axing Dole for Women in Burqas An official in Holland's biggest city wants to introduce legislation that would ban unemployed women who wear a burqa from receiving welfare payments if it prevents them from finding a job. The issue is the latest Dutch soul-searching over its relations with its own immigrants. The Multicultural Netherlands is having a serious identity crisis. These days, the country's immigrant melting pot is feeling more like a powderkeg. The latest spark in Holland's mini culture war came this week from the social affairs alderman for the city of Amsterdam, who says women who wear burqas are having trouble finding jobs. His solution? Take it off or lose your benefits. Ahmed Aboutaleb has proposed introducing legislation that would allow the city to cut welfare payments to women who insist on wearing a burqa if it can prove the full-body covering is the reason she can't find a job. "Nobody wants to hire someone with a burqa," he told the Dutch women's magazine Opzij. "In that case, I say: off with the burka and apply for work. If you don't want to do that, that's fine, but you don't get a benefit payment." Aboutaleb, a member of Amsterdam's Labor Party (PvdA) and a Dutch citizen of Moroccan descent, made the comments in response to a recent ruling by Holland's Equality Commission siding with a Muslim woman who refused to shake hands with men at work. The politician questioned whether she should be involved in education, with such rigid self-restrictions. "She has to realize that her behavior is building enormous obstacles for her in almost every situation. This woman must recognize that she is sidelining herself and that she runs the risk of being turned down for other jobs, too." In the wake of the murder of Dutch filmmaker Theo van Gogh by an Islamic extremist in 2004, the country, once thought to be an exemplary multicultural society, began to question how well its Muslim immigrants have been integrated. Since then, the center-right government of Prime Minister Jan Peter Balkanende has introduced laws that make it harder for married immigrants to bring their partners with them to Holland and that require prospective immigrants to take tests in their homeland on their knowledge of the Dutch society and language before they can come to the Netherlands. In December, the Dutch parliament in the Hague approved a law that would make it illegal to wear a burqa in public spaces. However, a commission is now seeking to determine whether the legislation is compatible with European human rights laws. The legislation was introduced by Geert Wilders, a conservative member of the Dutch parliament who was included on the same hit list that included Theo van Gogh and Ayaan Hirsi Ali, the makers of the film "Submission," which is highly critical of Islam's treatment of women. Regardless of the outcome of the national law or the Amsterdam legislation, the ban would be more symbolic than anything else since, there are only an estimated 50 to 100 burqa-wearing women among the one million Muslims living in the Netherlands. But Amsterdam sociologist Ruud Koopmans told the S�ddeutsche Zeitung newspaper that a "ban on the burqa in public would be absurd. I would be surprised if the law goes through."

So the Netherlands proves once again that no-one can outdo the Dutch when it comes to being rude to foreigners. That sour note aside, I wish to point out three things that I feel should be addressed by the Amsterdam law-makers prior to putting these ideas into concrete laws. First, while I sympathize with the idea that tax-payers shouldn't finance the whims and quirks of religious fanatics, I think it's stupid to limit this to women who wears burkas. In principle, all religiously motivated reasons for not taking a job should lead to a stop of benefits.
Second, when can we safely say that the barrier is indeed at the religious person and not the employer? I do understand why nobody would hire someone they cannot see, but what about people who just wears head scarfs, hats or long braids next to their ears?
Finally, where's the fine line between religion and morals? Can we take away people's benefits for not wanting to work as a prosititute? Take away benefits from vegans that won't work at McDonald's? Pacifists not wanting to work for companies that are sub-contracters for the army?

I personaly think Burqas are pretty stupid and unecessary but this law is fucked up. [Edit:They, not you (thanks for pointing it out St. Andrew) ] have a tyrannical goverment.

Umm, isn't that against some equal opportunity law? Or do they not have those.

good thing, who would hire a ninja anyways.

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Originally posted by shaolin_Z I personaly think Burqas are pretty stupid and unecessary but this law is fucked up. [Edit:They, not you (thanks for pointing it out St. Andrew) ] have a tyrannical goverment.

What's this, shaolin? Did you just expose yourself as the stereotypical geographically challenged American?
For some reason Holland was always the country that got mixed up with Denmark by the US-centric Americans I met last year. Would have thought that it would be Sweden or Norway, but apparently there's something unidentifiable dutch about Denmark...

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Originally posted by Marc Summers Umm, isn't that against some equal opportunity law? Or do they not have those.

I guess this is why the article says that they are currently checking up on the EU human rights laws.

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Originally posted by trancaholic What's this, shaolin? Did you just expose yourself as the stereotypical geographically challenged American? For some reason Holland was always the country that got mixed up with Denmark by the US-centric Americans I met last year. Would have thought that it would be Sweden or Norway, but apparently there's something unidentifiable dutch about Denmark...

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Aboutaleb, a member of Amsterdam's Labor Party (PvdA) and a Dutch citizen of Moroccan descent, made the comments in response to a recent ruling by Holland's Equality Commission siding with a Muslim woman who refused to shake hands with men at work. The politician questioned whether she should be involved in education, with such rigid self-restrictions. "She has to realize that her behavior is building enormous obstacles for her in almost every situation. This woman must recognize that she is sidelining herself and that she runs the risk of being turned down for other jobs, too."

Do you have any more on this? Seem like an interesting case.

Seriously, in the United states, they would get destroyed for doing that.

Look who we got dressing up as spider-man in a Toys R us advertisement.

Well when some Muslim countries can force outside girls to wear Burqa when they are in their country, why cant Amsterdam force Burqa ladies not to wear it when in their country.

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Originally posted by Purple Well when some Muslim countries can force outside girls to wear Burqa when they are in their country, why cant Amsterdam force Burqa ladies not to wear it when in their country.

Because Holland is a free country with freedom of religion and tolerance (even if that is tolerance for idiocity)?

so why give unemployment cheques if these ladies are "unemployable".

I think the reason Holland and Denmark get mixed up here is because Denmark and Dutch both start with "D."

Re: Amsterdam to Muslim women: Drop the burka if you want unemployment benefits

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Originally posted by trancaholic Can we take away people's benefits for not wanting to work as a prosititute?

I just noticed that one. Good point. That's what it seems like an extention of that logic would imply. Does anyone else see a potential problem here?

Just wanted to add:

Jihad durqa burqa. Dirqa burqa jihad!!!

this law isn't fair for anyone.

i am totally against it.

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