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Consequences of a war in Iran?

I would like to make a thread to discuss the consequences that to have a war on the area, as well as on the world growth, in a context already weakened by the dissensions between Europeans and American, and by a third oil crisis.
Iran is not an Arab country, i.e. that only 2% of the population speak Arab, btw they have creates their own Islam with the Shiism. So, what can be the influence of a major conflict in Iran on countries like Saudi Arabia or Pakistan?
Iran is also an important oil-producing country, and I wonder if a scenario similar to 1979 is possible?

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In my not-so professional opinion...

A war with Iran is such a retarted idea, unless the USA has all the big countries backing it... IE: Russia, UK, France, Germany, Middle-Eastern allies blah blah blah... Cause at least then the war cost will be reduced for the already indepted Americans.

Iran has oil, big deal, you think there wont be an insurgency in Iran if and when Uncle USA takes over? It'll be worse than the insurgency in Iraq, just because the way of life in Iran is really not all that bad by the middle-east's standards, so I don't think the people there would much like their lifestyles to take a huge blow just so the USA can say it's conquered 3 countries in 6 years.

Also, like I said in my other post... If the USA manages to secure Iran moreso than in Iraq, and gets the oil pumping... China is just going to buy all the American energy companies in less than a decade anyway (Yes congress will have to give in, given the retartedly huge debt the USA has with China), so screw oil, its going in one way and out the other, if you drop Oil off the table as one of the reasons to invade... Uhhh.. You're left with... "Dethroning the evil extremist/terrorist supporting nutcase dictator". UHHHHHHHHHHHHHH, yes this was nice for roughly 2.5 weeks next door, hooooooorah beat statues with shoes nanananananana, bam, my country is in ruins and it's your fault USA, I think I'll strap 15kg of C4 to my chest and detonate myself at a checkpoint... All of a sudden we're in a similar mess as in Iraq, now with an even bigger burden on the US tax payers..

what would be the consequences of winning the war?
consequences of losing the war?
consequences of fighting the war?
who exactly is at war?
who started it the war?
nuclear war?

im afraid world war three will break out if and when we attack iran

From the US standpoint there is no need for a war to get Iran to comply, The US will just bomb their facilities used for enrichment.
So dont get your panties in a wad thinking the US is going to invade Iran because that is not going to happen anytime soon.

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Originally posted by juzfugen From the US standpoint there is no need for a war to get Iran to comply, The US will just bomb their facilities used for enrichment. So dont get your panties in a wad thinking the US is going to invade Iran because that is not going to happen anytime soon.

I'm not afraid of a conventional war, and I think that US Army is not able to invade Iran actually, but the consequences of a conflict on the peace in the area and on the world growth can be really important. For instance Iran can give more subsidies to Hamas and Hezbollah, and can threat Israel.

iran will share nuke technology with other countrys...bush will take off his belt soon

Alex, Russia will never join them because Putin's soul purpose in life is to oppose the West even if it's not beneficial to himself and his dictatorship regime. China gives two shits about Iran, they aren't stupid. They are raping Iran. Did you know that China is currently working on dozens of NUCLEAR power plants? They are using Iran's oil supply simply because they need it...for now. Unlike some American politicians who bitch and moan and will never allow Nuclear/Solar/Win power reactors to take over the oil business. which would drive the economy of middle east down the drain. We defeated communism in the Soviet bloc this way, i don't understand what's stopping us from doing this now, at a faster rate since hybrids are so on their way it's not even funny.

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Originally posted by juzfugen From the US standpoint there is no need for a war to get Iran to comply, The US will just bomb their facilities used for enrichment. So dont get your panties in a wad thinking the US is going to invade Iran because that is not going to happen anytime soon.

i was watching a CNN report with a bunch of military annylists and i think it was Wolf Blitzer's program and he was asking them if a conventional air strike can penetrate Irans undergroud facilities, they are about 30 feet in the earth with concreted reinforcments and shit. they all said that it's completely possible.

So yeah you're right air strikes will just take the facilities.

Don't forget that Iran is under watch by alot more countries and is annoying alot more countries than just the US.

Iran

It seems that someone will go to war with Iran eventually if they continue with their nuclear program. Either the US, UK, Europe, Israel, UN, or a combination of these countries feel they're forced to attack if Iran doesn't stand down.

This administrations...it's been like that for God knows how long. "The business of America...is Business"

Well, I think it's more than that, no? I mean even if there was a movement in the congress or senate it couldn't go through.

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Originally posted by Lepanto i was watching a CNN report with a bunch of military annylists and i think it was Wolf Blitzer's program and he was asking them if a conventional air strike can penetrate Irans undergroud facilities, they are about 30 feet in the earth with concreted reinforcments and shit. they all said that it's completely possible. So yeah you're right air strikes will just take the facilities. Don't forget that Iran is under watch by alot more countries and is annoying alot more countries than just the US.

/sigh we've already been through this...
Let me ask you this, knowing that the facilities are underground do we have to destroy them or can making it impossible to reach them suffice?

If you say destroy fine, heres what will happen covert spec ops teams, there will be no invasion, no there will be no massive land war. There will be a precise bombing campaign followed by spec ops if needed.

30 feet below with reinforced concerete and shit... wow.

If thats not safe... what is safe from bombings? (besides nukular)

Bunkerbuster bombs can go through that probably. I've seen a video of a bunkerbuster bomb go through 20 feet reinforced concrete. I saw that a couple years ago. I'm sure they have something better now.

If you guys didnt know, Israel has a lot of nukes.

Why can't Iran have a nuclear reactor. They just want to have lots of power like us. Pakistan have nukes. Why can't Iran? Pakistan has a lot of terrorist groups. I don't think any nukes were sold to them yet.

Because Iran's regime is like a terrorist organization.

Bunkbusters will surely take care of this.

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Originally posted by Benshin Bunkerbuster bombs can go through that probably. I've seen a video of a bunkerbuster bomb go through 20 feet reinforced concrete. I saw that a couple years ago. I'm sure they have something better now. If you guys didnt know, Israel has a lot of nukes. Why can't Iran have a nuclear reactor. They just want to have lots of power like us. Pakistan have nukes. Why can't Iran? Pakistan has a lot of terrorist groups. I don't think any nukes were sold to them yet.

I think a good argument against Iran having nukes is that the world should be trying to disarm itself of nuclear weapons. The USA and Russia etc. have been dismantling hundreds/thousands of nuclear weapons, and it would be counter-productive for another country to be able to build them.

America has no balls to do anything to Iran,because they know they'd be fucked if they do and I LOVE IT.


GO IRAN GO

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Originally posted by Lepanto Because Iran's regime is like a terrorist organization.

so is the Bush administration.

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Originally posted by Benshin Why can't Iran have a nuclear reactor. They just want to have lots of power like us. Pakistan have nukes. Why can't Iran? Pakistan has a lot of terrorist groups. I don't think any nukes were sold to them yet.

double standards maybe?

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Originally posted by Nou Same with the nK's!

yup,and if you notice you dont hear anything these days about NK anywhere anymore.Did they disarm or something?or is it because the U.S realized that again they cant do shit?

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Originally posted by Nou I'd join your alliance... but... well my sig kinda denotes why it would be for the wrong reasons...

Make me a sig of my alliance and join me

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Originally posted by hardcore trancer so is the Bush administration.

keep dreaming.

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Originally posted by Lepanto i was watching a CNN report with a bunch of military annylists and i think it was Wolf Blitzer's program and he was asking them if a conventional air strike can penetrate Irans undergroud facilities, they are about 30 feet in the earth with concreted reinforcments and shit. they all said that it's completely possible.

actualy I believe the main bunker is estimated at 18-23 meters which is around 60-75 feet. the new bomb thats being field tested this summer "big blue" can destroy reinforced concrete bunkers at 60m or 200 feet. so no worries

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Originally posted by Benshin Why can't Iran have a nuclear reactor. They just want to have lots of power like us.

I agree with that.

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Pakistan have nukes. Why can't Iran?

They signed the nuclear non-proliferation treaty. It states that they cannot use nuclear technology for weapons. I know that we haven't exactly kept our word, but they should at least keep theirs and use the nuclear technology given to them for peaceful (Energy) purposes only.

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Originally posted by hardcore trancer yup,and if you notice you dont hear anything these days about NK anywhere anymore.Did they disarm or something?or is it because the U.S realized that again they cant do shit?

Well historically speaking, no one can do shit to North Korea... They live in an area full of mountains, that's why the Korean war ended up turning into trench warfare again.

Only way to beat North Korea would be to get into a huge trench war with them, I think the only country that has the manpower to do it is China and I dont think China gives a fuck about North Korea.



And if the USA doesnt want to go to war with Iran...

CANADA WILL OMGOMGOMG, CANADA SUPER MILITARY POWER HARPER TO WAAAAAAAAAAR!!!!!!

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