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Girl Dies Looking for Mom in Burning Home STEELTON, Pa. - A 6-year-old girl who had escaped a house fire early Tuesday ran back inside to find her mother, not realizing the woman had jumped to safety from a second-floor window, police said. The child never made it back out alive. Firefighters found the body of Da-Onah Watts under a bed on the second floor of the home, said Mayor Thomas F. Acri. Da-Onah and an older cousin had been asleep on the first floor of the home when they awoke to flames about 12:30 a.m. and ran from the house, said Steelton Police Chief Kenneth Lenker. The older girl, Nesha Barely, lost her grip on Da-Onah as they escaped, Lenker said. She didn't realize the child had run back inside until it was too late. A neighbor summoned help, but the heat and flames were too intense for police or firefighters to get inside. The home was destroyed. Da-Onah's mother, Myiaa Smith, 26, survived. A phone message seeking comment from the Dauphin County Coroner's Office on Tuesday morning was not immediately returned. Steelton, just outside Harrisburg, has about 5,700 residents. "This little kid played in the neighborhood. We waved at her," Lenker said. "Everybody knew her. It's a tragedy."

Source: Yahoo



I blame the mother. She did not properly teach her child what to do when/if there was a fire. And now she'll never live a normal life again (the mother). Traumatizing.

why do we have to always blame someone? its no ones fault...the kid did what she thought was right to save her mother. its sad it turned out the way it did but its in no way her mothers fault.

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Originally posted by RapidFire why do we have to always blame someone? its no ones fault...the kid did what she thought was right to save her mother. its sad it turned out the way it did but its in no way her mothers fault.

Because, a lot of the time, there IS someone to blame.

The child was way too young. If the mother drilled the safety precautions into the child's head, I'm sure the child would have been alive today.

Fuck man I'm in a emo mood today, I feel like crying right now.

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Originally posted by RapidFire why do we have to always blame someone? its no ones fault...the kid did what she thought was right to save her mother. its sad it turned out the way it did but its in no way her mothers fault.

I agree... but if there were people around watching it and then they let her back in then i would blame those people for letting the girl go back but if she was alone by no means is this the moms fault.

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Because, a lot of the time, there IS someone to blame. The child was way too young. If the mother drilled the safety precautions into the child's head, I'm sure the child would have been alive today

right...and you know that the mother didnt? or maybe she did and the little girl only wanted to help her mother and wasnt thinking about saftey. Or maybe we can blame the school too b/c dont schools teach fire saftey in class too??? i think the family should sue them... notttt... come on she died and that is bad enough no need to blame someone.. shit like this happens.. it was her time.. nuff said.

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Originally posted by Yan Because, a lot of the time, there IS someone to blame. The child was way too young. If the mother drilled the safety precautions into the child's head, I'm sure the child would have been alive today.

how do you know she didnt? no matter how much you drill it into someones head you cant prepare them for something like that. the kid acted on her instinct and theres no one to blame for that.

I blame the guy that discovered fire....he should've just left that shit alone.

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Originally posted by grooviebeats right...and you know that the mother didnt? or maybe she did and the little girl only wanted to help her mother and wasnt thinking about saftey.

I don't. Read on, though. If the mother truly taught her, she would have let her know that the main priority was to get out alive, first. "We meet outside at this safe point". That's the proper way of handling a fire. I used to be a volunteer firefighter and visited a few pre-schools to teach about fire safety. The parents of the children were there and we all went over proper precautions and plans that keeps everyone safe. Responsible parents would have followed up and went over this with their children time and time again. If the children didn't know anything about fire safety by the age of 6, the parent has failed.

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Originally posted by grooviebeats Or maybe we can blame the school too b/c dont schools teach fire saftey in class too???

I didn't get into that because that's a whole 'nother topic. What's to say that the child even attended school? There are many at fault, in the long run, so I can't call who contributed most to the death. However, it's not uncommon to see bad parenting causing the death of children.

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Originally posted by RapidFire no matter how much you drill it into someones head you cant prepare them for something like that.

On the contrary. You CAN prepare someone. That's why people go over fire safety. It's saved many lives since teaching has begun (by the state and local fire departments).

Dang my parents must of sucked, we never had a fire plan. I would guess the majority of families dont go over a plan incase there is a fire in the house.

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Originally posted by Ygrene I blame the guy that discovered fire....he should've just left that shit alone.

I was one of those guys. You can guess three times.



Anyways, this is very sad but if you want bad news, take a closer look at Africa.

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Originally posted by RapidFire why do we have to always blame someone? its no ones fault...the kid did what she thought was right to save her mother. its sad it turned out the way it did but its in no way her mothers fault.

i agree

not all kids are the same dude. how do you know she didnt try and teach her and she still went against it? its not always the parents fault for what their child does.

but again not even the child is to blame, it was a primal instinct. she was attatched to her mother and did everything she could to try and save her. thats something you cant unlearn.

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Originally posted by Ygrene I blame the guy that discovered fire....he should've just left that shit alone.

posts like these are why i can't quit TA

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Originally posted by RapidFire not all kids are the same dude. how do you know she didnt try and teach her and she still went against it? its not always the parents fault for what their child does.

How do you know she DID try and teach her? We often attribute the shortcomings of the child to the parent(s). It's not too farfetched, either, because more often than not we can see bad parenting as somehow affecting the child in a negative way.

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Originally posted by Ygrene I blame the guy that discovered fire....he should've just left that shit alone.

So wrong, but so funny.

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Originally posted by RapidFire not all kids are the same dude. how do you know she didnt try and teach her and she still went against it? its not always the parents fault for what their child does. but again not even the child is to blame, it was a primal instinct. she was attatched to her mother and did everything she could to try and save her. thats something you cant unlearn.

+1

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Originally posted by Yan How do you know she DID try and teach her?

we don't. that's why we're saying not to blame anyone

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Originally posted by Yan How do you know she DID try and teach her? We often attribute the shortcomings of the child to the parent(s). It's not too farfetched, either, because more often than not we can see bad parenting as somehow affecting the child in a negative way.

dude you cant be for real.. you honestly want to blame the mother for her daughters death. Now if the kid was walking down the street at 3 am and she was shot and killed by a drive by them yeah blame the mom b/c what in the hell was your kid doing out at 3 am but this kid was trying to save her mom. im sure the saftey plan was the last thing on the girls mind.

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Originally posted by Yan How do you know she DID try and teach her? We often attribute the shortcomings of the child to the parent(s). It's not too farfetched, either, because more often than not we can see bad parenting as somehow affecting the child in a negative way.

parents cant control what a child thinks. theyre individuals and even in their early years they make certain choices for themselves.

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Originally posted by Yan We often attribute the shortcomings of the child to the parent(s).

How is the fact that a 6 year old child decided to sacrifice her own safety to try to help her mom a "shortcoming"? Who knows what went through her mind at the time, but I think we can assume that she knew big fire = "bad" and that running back into the house was a dangerous thing to do. I am not sure how they knew she went back into the house to find her mother, but I will take their word for it. While perhaps not the smartest act in retrospect, the child's actions were definitely selfless. She acted on her perception of the situation and acted quickly this is in no way a "fault" or a "shortcoming" that someone needs to be blamed about.

Whether or not the mother instructed her child in fire safety is partially irrelevant, because as was mentioned before, a child is a free human being who reacts to situations as he/she sees fit. Personal safety was less important to this child than her mom's safety and she believed the mother was still inside thus she acted accordingly and selflessly.

There is nothing wrong with that, this is merely a very tragic circumstance and no blame needs to be placed.

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Originally posted by Sunsnail we don't. that's why we're saying not to blame anyone

I like blaming people.

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Originally posted by grooviebeats dude you cant be for real.. you honestly want to blame the mother for her daughters death. Now if the kid was walking down the street at 3 am and she was shot and killed by a drive by them yeah blame the mom b/c what in the hell was your kid doing out at 3 am but this kid was trying to save her mom. im sure the saftey plan was the last thing on the girls mind.

Yeah. I do. Why is it so unimaginable?

Either way, we're all taught to stay AWAY from fire and anything else that hurts us physically (when we're young). The age of 6 isn't that young anymore. I'm afraid this death could have been prevented by better parenting. (Unfortunately, there won't be a conclusion to this debate. We won't really get solid answers so all we're debating about is our opinions. )

Then the parents/schools/fire department didn't drill it into the child's head enough.

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Originally posted by RapidFire parents cant control what a child thinks.

But they can help curb what a child does/doesn't do.

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Originally posted by NebulousQ How is the fact that a 6 year old child decided to sacrifice her own safety to try to help her mom a "shortcoming"? Who knows what went through her mind at the time, but I think we can assume that she knew big fire = "bad" and that running back into the house was a dangerous thing to do. I am not sure how they knew she went back into the house to find her mother, but I will take their word for it. While perhaps not the smartest act in retrospect, the child's actions were definitely selfless. She acted on her perception of the situation and acted quickly this is in no way a "fault" or a "shortcoming" that someone needs to be blamed about. Whether or not the mother instructed her child in fire safety is partially irrelevant, because as was mentioned before, a child is a free human being who reacts to situations as he/she sees fit. Personal safety was less important to this child than her mom's safety and she believed the mother was still inside thus she acted accordingly and selflessly. There is nothing wrong with that, this is merely a very tragic circumstance and no blame needs to be placed.

The "shortcoming" that I was talking about has nothing to do with the child's selfless decision. The selfless act itself? Yes.

If she was properly conditioned (zomg experiments!!1 lol), she would have understood that she'd only worry even more people by going back in. Why didn't she even check outside for her mom, at first? At 6, you're not a complete baby. Like you said, decisions can already be made.

A child is an UNINFORMED human being therefore all this IS relevant.

Someone always needs to be blamed.

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Originally posted by Yan Someone always needs to be blamed.

Scary man, just scary. I hope you never get into any position of significant power.

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Originally posted by Yan If she was properly conditioned (zomg experiments!!1 lol), she would have understood that she'd only worry even more people by going back in.

This statement is only "valid" becuase the mother was out of the building when the child went in, had the mother been inside the building when the child went back then this statement would hold no water even on that arguement.

She would only "worry" people by re-entering the building only matters if the mom is still alive, if the mom is dead a child that is willing to sacrifice her life for the mother would not care about "worrying" anyone.

However the child did not know whether or not the mother had left the building, which ties into the next point

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Originally posted by Yan Why didn't she even check outside for her mom, at first? At 6, you're not a complete baby

This is a life and death decision, every second counts. There may not be enough time to run around the outside of the house looking for the mother, if she was not outside then that time is lost and the window of opportunity for action has past.

Your whole "blame" arguement rests upon the fact that if the mother had taught the child fire safety, ie got to a predetermined spot and wait or whatever, then the child would not have died. However when you rush outside of a burning building and are convicted to the point of self-sacrifice that your mother is still in the burning building and now is the only time to act, "fire safety" seems nothing more than abandoning your mother to inevitable death.

When a loved one is directly and immediately threatened and you feel you must do something about it, you act.

What if the child had observed proper fire safety, ignoring to impulse to go back in and look for the mother and the mother had been in the building. Do you think the child would have cared that she had followed proper procedure?

Everything about both sides of this argument is pointless as we do not know what went through that childs head when she went back into the house and we do not what steps the mother had taken to prepare the child for such an emergency.

There is no need to add to the mother's grief by blaming someone. Shit happens all the time and many times noone is at fault. Don't look for a scapegoat to selfishly pacify your feelings of helplessness.

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Originally posted by NebulousQ Scary man, just scary. I hope you never get into any position of significant power.

You don't seem to be familiar with the term "sarcasm".

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Originally posted by NebulousQ Everything about both sides of this argument is pointless as we do not know what went through that childs head when she went back into the house and we do not what steps the mother had taken to prepare the child for such an emergency.

Exactly! I don't know why people are trying to disprove me, though. It's my opinion, guys. >.>

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Originally posted by Yan You don't seem to be familiar with the term "sarcasm".

Nooooooo!!!1

I must run to Pic and Save now to see if they still have that sale on sarcasm detectors. One sec...

i blame rapidfire for not being a fireman and having fire-proof skin, which is necessary for saving innocent little children.

I HOPE YOU SLEEP WELL TONIGHT KIDDY KILLER!

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