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Click on the link and help do our part.
Please guys, it takes 2 seconds, just add ur name, email and postal code, thats it!! but with enough of them, it can make a world of a difference!!!

www.savedarfur.org

good cause but this won't stop a civil war/ethnic cleansing.
The leaders in Darfur have shown that they don't give a shit what the outside world thinks. Much of the conflict is over very limited natural resources such as water... unless a rain dance makes a darfur an oasis in the desert the other conflicts also are unlikely to be resolved.

Oprah did a show about this situation and Uganda. It was a total downer, but an eye-opener for me. People who want to see what it was about should go HERE , and HERE.

If you wanna help, find out how HERE

There's a big rally in DC and San Fran this Sunday. I'm sure more cities will follow. That whole continent is such a mess... its depressing how the whole world just lets it fall apart.

It's because they aren't willing to help themselves, it would seem.

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Originally posted by VERTiG0 It's because they aren't willing to help themselves, it would seem.

Corrupt governments (elected officials) don't help either.

signed...

What is Bush going to do about this genocide? Send troops in there? Boy oh boy that'll win him more favour with the rest of the world, and stretch thin the already thin US military.

Nothing will be done about it, and as terrible as it is to say it, I like to be realistic, and as such this petition or whatever it is is utterly useless.

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Originally posted by VERTiG0 What is Bush going to do about this genocide? Send troops in there? Boy oh boy that'll win him more favour with the rest of the world, and stretch thin the already thin US military. Nothing will be done about it, and as terrible as it is to say it, I like to be realistic, and as such this petition or whatever it is is utterly useless.

Sorry, stopping a genocide is far more important than the stupid war Bush got us into. Bin Laden, Sadam Hussain & all the others combined-their kills dont even come close to the amt of senseless and horrible deaths in Africa. Not to say that stopping them isn't any less important, but the world has been turning away from some SERIOUS problems in Africa for a long time. Just look at the AIDS situation there alone.

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Originally posted by VERTiG0 What is Bush going to do about this genocide? Send troops in there? Boy oh boy that'll win him more favour with the rest of the world, and stretch thin the already thin US military. Nothing will be done about it, and as terrible as it is to say it, I like to be realistic, and as such this petition or whatever it is is utterly useless.

yeah the issues are deeper than merely sending in a military that is already knee deep in a shit hole it created in a different region.

Yes governments could pressure leaders in Darfur but as I stated before it still isn't even clear who is killing who at this point. Because of a few issues outstanding this is not a clearly defined case of genocide as it currently stands. -This is a major reason why the UN has not stepped in already themselves. The US had agreed to help fight genocide with the UN but... this is not genocide since it is not a clear cut path on racial lines. So as a result the US has deliberately used that as an excuse to stay out that area.
I would like to think that petition would do something but in all likely hood the best it can do is raise awareness for an issue the US has no control over.
Further more the fact that Canadians are signing it won't mean much to the US gov't. Canadians don't elect US leaders and this admin is already in its final years of power anyway so it more or less has to really really illegally screw up to get tossed. If this wasn't on thier agenda 2 years ago it is unlikely to get added to the list now.

Again I would like to be optomistic but having written half my thesis on the conflict it goes a lot deeper than most people realize, this is not just another Rwanda even though much of it may appear the same.

With all due respect (and I really mean that because I think people's intentions here are very noble), celebrities like George Clooney and small protests of Western governments are not going to change anything in Darfur.

The problems in Darfur will continue as long as Red China continues to block action there. They've threatened to veto any Security Council resolution authorizing the use of force in Darfur (including joint U.N./A.U. actions). Red China has major oil interests in Sudan and is sucking up to its (Arab) government.

http://survivedsars.typepad.com/sur..._and_darfu.html

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/4917970.stm

http://www.tranceaddict.com/forums/...289#post6072289

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Originally posted by ShadoWolf With all due respect (and I really mean that because I think people's intentions here are very noble), celebrities like George Clooney and small protests of Western governments are not going to change anything in Darfur. The problems in Darfur will continue as long as Red China continues to block action there. They've threatened to veto any Security Council resolution authorizing the use of force in Darfur (including joint U.N./A.U. actions). Red China has major oil interests in Sudan and is sucking up to its (Arab) government. http://survivedsars.typepad.com/sur..._and_darfu.html http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/4917970.stm

China is definitely protecting its interests in Darfur, touting its flags everywhere, claiming to be a friend of the country.

But seriously guys, saying things like, "well, we can't do anything about it so what's the point" attitute is what makes things stagnate.

12 out of 15 countries have agreed to place sannctions on 4 sudanese military, th US being one of them. Now I'm not saying things will change over night. But I do believe that exercising our voice does help, if only a little at a time.

Yahoo has great full coverage on the subject. Including one on the US imposing sanctions on Darfur yesterday.

The peace talks are taking place this Sunday, April 30th.

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Originally posted by VERTiG0 It's because they aren't willing to help themselves, it would seem.

What? how are they going to help themselves? There is no water,food and people are dying for stupid shit like being Muslim or Christian. There is no sense of law there. Its all corruption.

I just signed

weather it'll have some effect or not at least its something. Theres always hope. And through signing some kind of petitions on whatever kinds of issues, were showing that there are people behind the cause.

What is our humanity worth if we don't do something about fellow citizens of earth's suffering?

signed, because talking about how futile it is to do it seems more futile than not doing it.

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Originally posted by VERTiG0 It's because they aren't willing to help themselves, it would seem.

Kinda hard to help themselves when they are abused by other people without means to protect themselves.

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Originally posted by EvilTree Kinda hard to help themselves when they are abused by other people without means to protect themselves.

I think he meant that they are not willing to help themselves with peace even within their own country, even within their own religions and social classes. If they won't hold hands how are we going to make them do it? By pointing guns at them? That worked well in Iraq.

There are two sides of rebels fighting, the arabs and the natives of Sudan.

In the middle are the people. They have very little food, water, and shelter. there are no jobs, there is no post office. There is no infrastructure. They rely on humanitarian efforts to eat. They cannot help themselves because all they can do is try to survive. They try to hide through the days and nights and hope that they are not dismembered by rebel forces or raped and killed.

NGOs are incapable at this point of even accessing most of these people, because of immense danger to their lives.

my understanding is that there are at least 3 sides to the fighting. It's not as clear cut as just Arabs vs Natives.

Washington Rally is live on msnbc right now. Doing a good peiece on the whole situation.

edit: also on CNN now.

both channels are saying the UN has agreed to send troops if peace agreements are not signed today. I'd like to see this get resolved peacefully.

I went to the rally today at Queen's Park. Unfortunately there wasn't as great a turn out as Washington- not even close. I think 15,000 people showed up in Washington.

Anyway, there's supposed to be a budgetary meeting in the house of commons this Tuesday, May 2, at 4pm. Jack Layton and other speakers today are encouraging anyone who cares about the situation in Darfur to contact your local MP or even Stephen Harper, if you have his number, and pressure Parliament so they at least don't have to cut the food rations.

The World Food Bank is being forced to cut food rations because Canada and other countries have cut funding to Darfur.

I hope some of you will will contact your local MP and say something before Tuesday. I know I will.

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