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get bpms?

thought it would be a good idea to start sticking bpm stickers on all my vinyl sleeves. (inside the sleeve actually) Would anyone happen to know the best way finding out vinyl bpm according to label. i mean, is there a comprehensive list somewhere? thanks.

Why do people do this...? Just listen too it if it wont mix... dont bother. There is no magical secret unlocked when you know the bpm of things.

I am guessing you dont have bpm counters on any of your equipment?

As far as a comprehensive list goes... I cant say ive ever heard or seen one... then again i havent looked

...anyways.

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Originally posted by Timski Why do people do this...? Just listen too it if it wont mix... dont bother. There is no magical secret unlocked when you know the bpm of things.

+1

I would say only use a BPM counter in extreme conditions, but for the most part train you ear to know the bpms.

knowing the exact bpms can be helpful for harmonic mixing.

never heard of a database with bpms though. which means lots of grunt work for you

hmm, its pretty hard. damn google!

If you encode them into MP3's, you could use Traktor DJ Studio to analyze the tracks to get an approximate BPM.

Or you could just go old skool, pick up a metronome, and try to figure out the BPM

arent external bpm counters available; would they be precise.

bah i give up. thread closed.

this is gonna suck to do, but if you're so determined to get the bpms, count how many beats there are in 15 seconds and multiply by 4.

i think abelton live demo does the job, but not too sure.

im assuming you dont have a cdj.

for all those saying bpm is unnecessary, you are making things harder on yourself. if my set is at 140bpm, why even bother shoving another song in to test the bpm if its slower than 132bpm? why waste the time and put it in the cd player and listen to it and find out the bpm that way? hell if my set is at 140bpm, i look at my case and select a song at 139bpm and adjust the pitch by +0.80 and then tweak it a bit more and done. its great for any purpose, whether harmonic mixing or not.

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Originally posted by Timski Why do people do this...? Just listen too it if it wont mix... dont bother. There is no magical secret unlocked when you know the bpm of things.

It's very useful for knowing how much you can pitch bend without screwing up the key.

get a digital metronome with an audio output and use that to beatmatch your records with. it'll give you some practice with learning how to "hear tempo" like many musicians have "pefect pitch" (ie can tell exactly what note and octave a particular note of chord is being played).

i used a VERY expensive metronome when I started, an Akai MPC-2000XL (LOL) and beatmatched to that all the time, and after having done so to all my new records for the 1st year I was DJ'ing, I can usually spot a tempo within +/- 2 bpm, which is more than close enough to fit a track in properly.

these days I have a reference track (bpm locked at zero = 134bpm) that I use to beatmatch to a new record that's locked at zero. I know about how fast it is wherever the reference track's pitch fader is set to, which with this track can be anywhere from 125 to 146. it might not be 100% accurate, but it's close enough.

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Originally posted by stefanoc for all those saying bpm is unnecessary, you are making things harder on yourself. if my set is at 140bpm, why even bother shoving another song in to test the bpm if its slower than 132bpm? why waste the time and put it in the cd player and listen to it and find out the bpm that way? hell if my set is at 140bpm, i look at my case and select a song at 139bpm and adjust the pitch by +0.80 and then tweak it a bit more and done. its great for any purpose, whether harmonic mixing or not.

a track at 129 bpm can be played at 140 bpm. Kamaya Painters "Wasteland" [Chab remix] and iio's "Rapture" [AVB remix] come to mind as slow ones that I've pitched up to +5 or +6 to fit in when running up to 140+ bpms.

^^true but i was trying to explain the importance of knowing the bpm.

but you also have to think that key note changes if you adjust from 129bpm to 140bpm. plus i would prefer hearing a track at its original tempo rather than at +5 or -5. u know, some songs just sound wrong if speeded up hardcore. on top of that, yes, i still mix 132bpm with 140bpm only if they sound good together. every +/- 3 approximately changes the key by one note. so sometimes u wanna mix a 132bpm track in a 140bpm purposely if you know that the pitch adjustment will get the song to the same key as the one thats currently playing. then u can do the same to songs that have no note for the first minute. u know the rest...

actually a 3% shift makes it closer to the next note, but a total key change occurs at around 6%

^^thanks. thats why i said approximate. 3% is noticeably different so i usually dont wanna cross that area. plus i dont like to go over that as well cause if im using the master tempo, the kicks would sound odd.

yea. tracks like ridgewalker - find andy moor remix or hawk - need for cognition... how could you play those tracks 5% up. sounds horrible. this is why i need a bpm counter, i need to sneak these tracks in. i usualy play melodic, driving whatnot/ tracks.

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN knowing the exact bpms can be helpful for harmonic mixing. never heard of a database with bpms though. which means lots of grunt work for you

Not even for that. For Harmonic mixing you really just need to see if you have more than 3% diff on the pitch control then it will probably sound crap (With a few exceptions).

Cheers
Nem

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