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Pro-Illegal Immigrant Boycott Monday

This one should prove interesting. Its the first real demonstration that is supposed to display the strength of illegal immigrants in the economy. The whole illegal immigrant movement pretty much has a lot tied up into this, and I think there are more scheduled for this month. If it doesn't create a noticible flux in the day's events then that would certainly make this "movement" look real bad. Not that holding marches waving Mexican flags and pissing off Americans haven't already and not that even having a "movement" for pro-illegal immigration hasn't already..

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Rift Could Diminish Boycott's Strength Immigrant Groups Argue Over Agenda By Krissah Williams and Karin Brulliard Washington Post Staff Writers Monday, May 1, 2006; A01 Some local activists predicted that thousands of Washington area immigrants would participate in a national economic boycott today, but immigrant groups who have spoken out against the boycott said they fear that the immigration reform movement is being commandeered to promote political causes beyond immigration. The public tug of war, which continued in the Washington area yesterday on Spanish-language radio, could result in more limited participation in the region than is expected in Dallas and Los Angeles, where the organizers of last month's massive protests have been more unified in support of today's boycott, which asks immigrants to refrain from buying goods and to stay home from work and school. Police in Los Angeles said they expected a rally that may draw as many as half a million people. Some major national firms that rely heavily on immigrant labor said they would close for the day. Perdue Farms said about half of its chicken processing plants would close, and Tyson Foods Inc. said that nine of its 15 beef and pork plants will not operate. Locally, business owners said they did not know what to expect. Some said they would close, and several construction firms said they would allow their employees to take the day off. Ricardo Juarez, coordinator of Mexicans Without Borders in Northern Virginia, and a local leader of the boycott, predicted that "real economic impact" would be felt in the Washington area. But Jaime Contreras, president of the National Capital Immigration Coalition, said he continues to encourage people to conduct business as usual so that they don't risk their jobs. And the Rev. Jose E. Hoyos, director of the Arlington Catholic Diocese's Spanish Apostolate, said he believes people will heed his message to go to work. "A lot of people have said to me that their lives are going to be normal," Hoyos said. The disagreement over the boycott played out last week in a series of news conferences. Many leaders of the April 10 immigration rally on the Mall cautioned against participation in the boycott, while some activists from the Washington region and elsewhere encouraged immigrants to stay away from work, schools and stores. "What we don't want is for people to go around and confuse the community around the country. And that is exactly what has happened," Contreras said. "Sadly, there are those who claim that they own the movement. The folks that came here . . . would say that they were the people who held the gran marcha , the [March 25 rally] in L.A., when in reality that was not the truth." The discord, Contreras said, is not over whether boycotting is a valid tactic. But with Congress just back from a recess -- and with a recent CNN poll showing that 77 percent of Americans favor allowing some illegal immigrants to apply for citizenship -- he said most local activists feel it is best to wait to see how Congress reacts. Some local Latino leaders said they worry about being associated with a Los Angeles-based group, Act Now to Stop War and End Racism (ANSWER), that has been active in promotion of the boycott. They fear that the group's broad-based opposition to Bush administration policies could hinder attempts to win allies for immigration reform on Capitol Hill. ANSWER protested numerous administration policies, including sanctions on Cuba, the 2001invasion of Afghanistan and the war in Iraq. The organization began supporting immigrants' causes last year in opposition to the Minuteman Project's plan to patrol the southern U.S. border, said Carlos Alvarez, a Los Angeles-based ANSWER spokesman. "Ideological cohesion to the T isn't something that is absolutely necessary right now," he said. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dy...6043000819.html

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I like mine better.

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Originally posted by josh4 I like mine better.

I don't see why this needs a thread of it's own and can't go in the other one, but whatever.

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Originally posted by shaolin_Z I don't see why this needs a thread of it's own and can't go in the other one, but whatever.

Indeed. Same goes for all the Iran threads.

We need a thread-merging mod.

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Originally posted by trancaholic Indeed. Same goes for all the Iran threads. We need a thread-merging mod.

Let's make Occ a mod already.

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Originally posted by josh4 I like mine better.

****a kente

20 spanish ppl called out of work tomarrow at a local CVS - source my friend

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Originally posted by shaolin_Z I don't see why this needs a thread of it's own and can't go in the other one, but whatever.

Because mine has an introduction, article, better title, and more views.

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Originally posted by josh4 Because mine has an introduction, article, better title, and more views.

Mine is generalized!

Anyway have it your way. This thing to me is a joke. I think if this really effects certain areas as it isnt in mine so far there will be a huge backlash. Im already upset with these people already and if they fuck with my day to day activites(protest martches etc) it wont make things anybetter.

LOL. My prof today said that anyone who's out today flunks the course. P W N E D!

Seeing as how immigration in current discussions is like expresso, what the hip kids talk about, then I think this could be an effective tool in showing exactly how intertwined our economy is with immigrants. It will hopefully get the "kick-them-all-outers" a reality check.

They say kick the illegal ones out that bring little to the economy .

On top of that, just because ILLEGAL immigrants do jobs that "Americans won't do" (which is bullshit anyway), plenty of LEGAL immigrants will do them? Know how i know? Cause my parents did some of them and a heap of my friend's parents and even my friends did them when they just immigrated here, for minimum wage and 12 hours a day to get back up on their feet.

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Originally posted by Lepanto They say kick the illegal ones out that bring little to the economy . On top of that, just because ILLEGAL immigrants do jobs that "Americans won't do" (which is bullshit anyway), plenty of LEGAL immigrants will do them? Know how i know? Cause my parents did some of them and a heap of my friend's parents and even my friends did them when they just immigrated here, for minimum wage and 12 hours a day to get back up on their feet.

do yourself a favor and check out: http://www.iep.utm.edu/f/fallacies.htm. let's pray that you learn something useful there.

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Originally posted by Spacey Orange do yourself a favor and check out: http://www.iep.utm.edu/f/fallacies.htm. let's pray that you learn something useful there.

Do yourself a favour and stop posting . Why don't you reason what i've said, cause im sure you have infinitely more experience on the subject than i do since you can post your .gobbledegook

oh and in mid 90's when there were only a few hundred thousand to a million tops, it wasn't a big deal but now... OPEN YOUR EYES.

Economic and social costs of illegal immigration

The economic and social consequences of illegal immigration across the 1,940 mile long America-Mexico border are staggering.

An average of 10,000 illegal aliens cross the border every day - over 3 million per year. A third will be caught and many of them immediately will try again. About half of those remaining will become permanent U.S. residents (3,500 per day).

Currently there are an estimated 9 to 11 million illegals in the U.S., double the 1994 level. A quarter-million illegal aliens from the Middle-east currently live in the U.S, and a growing number are entering by crossing the Mexican border.

FAIR research suggests that "between 40 and 50 percent of wage-loss among low-skilled Americans is due to the immigration of low-skilled workers. Some native workers lose not just wages but their jobs through immigrant competition. An estimated 1,880,000 American workers are displaced from their jobs every year by immigration; the cost for providing welfare and assistance to these Americans is over $15 billion a year." The National Research Council, part of the National Academy of Sciences, found in 1997 that the average immigrant without a high school education imposes a net fiscal burden on public coffers of $89,000 during the course of his or her lifetime. The average immigrant with only a high school education creates a lifetime fiscal burden of $31,000.8

80% of cocaine and 50% of heroin in the U.S. is smuggled across the border by Mexican nationals. Drug cartels spend a half-billion dollars per year bribing Mexico's corrupt generals and police officials, and armed confrontations between the Mexican army and U.S. Border Patrol agents are a real threat. There have been 118 documented incursions by the Mexican military over the last five years.

Illegal aliens have cost billions of taxpayer-funded dollars for medical services. Dozens of hospitals in Texas, New Mexico Arizona, and California, have been forced to close or face bankruptcy because of federally-mandated programs requiring free emergency room services to illegal aliens. Taxpayers pay half-a-billion dollars per year incarcerating illegal alien criminals.

Immigration is a net drain on the economy; corporate interests reap the benefits of cheap labor, while taxpayers pay the infrastructural cost. FAIR research shows "the net annual cost of immigration has been estimated at between $67 and $87 billion a year. The National Academy of Sciences found that the net fiscal drain on American taxpayers is between $166 and $226 a year per native household. Even studies claiming some modest overall gain for the economy from immigration ($1 to $10 billion a year) have found that it is outweighed by the fiscal cost ($15 to $20 billion a year) to native taxpayers."

"In the NAFTA era, a staggering 87 percent of Mexico's imports go to the United States, while Mexicans living in the United States send home more than $8 billion annually. Fox has said he considers his constituency to include the 22 million to 24 million Mexicans and Mexican-Americans in the United States. Mexican candidates now make campaign stops in U.S. cities like Los Angeles, Phoenix and Fresno, Calif." (Mexico's muddle, Ruben Navarrette Jr., March 26, 2003)

For more information, see The Washington Times article and series Chaos along the border, October 6, 2002, the FAIR reports Immigration and the Economy, Immigration Lowers Wages for American Workers, and the article Record amount of remittances sent from US to Mexico.
Remittances

$60 billion dollars are earned by illegal aliens in the U.S. each year. One of Mexico's largest revenue streams (after exports and oil sales) consists of money sent home by legal immigrants and illegal aliens working in the U.S. Economists say this will help Mexico reduce its $17.8 billion defecit and may bolster the peso. $10 billion dollars (as of 2003) are sent back to Mexico annually, according to the Pew Hispanic Center, reported in an Associated Press article, up $800 million from the previous year. ($9 billion dollars were previously sent back annually, according to a September 25, 2002 NPR report). That figure equals what Mexico earns annually from tourism. This is a massive transfer of wealth from America - essentially from America's displaced working poor - to Mexico.

A May 28, 2004 study by Bendixen & Associates6 found that legal and illegal immigrants send a total of $30 billion to their home countries on an annual basis. Mexico receives $13.3 billion a year. The largest amount in remittances ($9.6 billion) is sent from California, followed by New York ($3.6 billion), Texas ($3.2 billion) and Florida ($2.5 billion). Of those surveyed by the study, 24% were Latin American-born U.S. citizens, 39% were legal residents, and 32% were illegal aliens. Sixty-one per cent of those surveyed send remittances overseas at least once a month. A typical remittance is between $150 and $250. (See this state-by-state map of remittances.)
Education costs

The total K-12 school expenditure for illegal immigrants costs the states $7.4 billion annually�enough to buy a computer for every junior high student nationwide.9

For more information, see CAIR's education section.
'Anchor baby' Hospital costs

Hospital The 14th Amendment to the U.S. Constitution reads in part, "All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and the State wherein they reside."

It's estimated there may be over 300,000 anchor babies born each year in the U.S. Thus, illegal alien mothers now add more to U.S. population each year than immigration from all sources in an average year before 1965. These babies are called anchor babies because they act as an anchor that pulls the illegal alien mother and a host of other relatives into permanent U.S. residency.

FAIR estimates "there are currently between 287,000 and 363,000 children born to illegal aliens each year. This figure is based on the crude birth rate of the total foreign-born population (33 births per 1000) and the size of the illegal alien population (between 8.7 and 11 million). In 1994, California paid for 74,987 deliveries to illegal alien mothers, at a total cost of $215.2 million (an average of $2,842 per delivery). Illegal alien mothers accounted for 36 percent of all Medi-Cal funded births in California that year."

FAIR research shows that "the Urban Institute estimates that the cost of educating illegal alien children in the nation's seven states with the highest concentration of illegal aliens was $3.1 billion in 1993 (which, with the growth of their population to 1.3 million, would be more like $5 billion in 2000). This estimate does not take into account the additional costs of bilingual education or other special educational needs."

In a recent year in Colorado, the state's emergency Medicaid program paid an estimated $30 million in hospital and physician delivery costs for about 6,000 illegal immigrant mothers - average of $5,000 per baby. Those 6,000 births to illegal aliens represent 40% of the births paid for by Medicaid in Colorado. Those 6,000 babies immediately became U.S. citizens and qualified for full Medicaid services, with a cost yet to be tabulated.

An illegal alien mother only has to say she is "undocumented" in order to receive immediate - and free - medical care. Denver Health is now proposing that taxpayers approve a bond issue to pay for a bigger obstetrics unit. The present unit was built for 1,600 births a year, yet last year alone it handled 3,500.

For more information, see the Denver Post article Track 'anchor babies', by Al Knight, September 11, 2002, the article Pretending Immigration Isn't an Issue, by Phyllis Schafly, September, 2002, and the FAIR article Anchor Babies: Is U.S. Citizenship Owed to Illegal Aliens' Children?
Medical care to illegal aliens

"Mexican ambulance drivers are driving their hospital patients who can't pay for medical care in Mexico, to facilities in the United States. They know that the federal Emergency Medical Act mandates that U.S. hospitals with emergency-room services must treat anyone who requires care, including illegal aliens.

Medical service for Americans in affected communities is being severely damaged as hospitals absorb more than $200 million in unreimbursed costs. Some emergency rooms have shut down because they cannot afford to stay open. Local tax-paying Americans are either denied medical care or have to wait in long lines for service as the illegals flood the facilities. In California, the losses are calculated to be about $79 million, with $74 million in Texas, $31 million in Arizona, and $6 million in New Mexico."1

These costs are staggering. The Cochise County, Arizona Health Department spends as much as 30 percent of its annual $9 million budget on illegal aliens.3 The Copper Queen Hospital in Bisbee, Arizona, has spent $200,000 in uncompensated services out of a net operating budget of $300,000.3 The University Medical Center in Tucson may lose as much as $10 million and the Good Samaritan Regional Medical Center, also in Tucson, has lost $1 million in the first quarter of fiscal 2002.3

As noted above, in a recent year in Colorado, the state's emergency Medicaid program paid an estimated $30 million in hospital and physician delivery costs for about 6,000 illegal immigrant mothers - average of $5,000 per baby.

The Gwinnett, Georgia, Hospital System expects has established a $34 million reserve to cover its anticipated outlay for illegal aliens in 2003. Los Angeles Times columnist Ronald Brownstein wrote in his December 30, 2003 column that the 'Health-Care Storm Brewing in California Threatens to Swamp U.S... the impending Medicaid disaster is not a problem the states can handle alone; their budget shortfalls are too big.'2

"The General Accounting Office traveled to southern Arizona to study the impact of illegal immigrants on Arizona and other border state hospitals. In 2002, three hospitals located in Cochise County funded more than $1 million in uncompensated health care costs... The Florida Hospital Association surveyed 28 hospitals and found that health care for illegal aliens totaled at least $40 million in 2002."


from wiki

Some criminal elements enter the United States as illegal immigrants, most notably narcotics trafficking illegal immigrants and members of the street gang MS-13. With a total member count of 10,000 in the states and 50,000 worldwide they have already forced other gangs into submission or absorbed their members. MS-13's tactics were taught to them originally in El Salvador in the 1980's by the U.S. military, they have further advanced their original training by adapting it to urban environments. It is estimated that 29% of Federal prisoners are in the states illegally and 50% of those are active MS-13 members.[citation needed]

Many immigrants commit another federal offense by purchasing fake documents such as Social Security cards, birth certificates and driver's licenses, and many use fake social security numbers "SSN" (knowing they will never see the money that they illegally pay into Social Security) in order to illegally obtain employment in the U.S.

Illegally entering, providing a fictitious "SSN" and illegally working in the U.S. are three separate federal offenses that are commonly committed by undocumented aliens in the U.S. Not paying all federal and state taxes would be a forth federal or state offense.

Some immigrants engage in criminal activity like identity theft while Mohamed Atta al-Sayed and two of his co-conspirators had expired visas when they executed the September 11, 2001 attacks. All of the attackers had U.S. government issued documents and two of them were erroneously granted visa extensions after their deaths. The National Commission on Terrorist Attacks Upon the United States found that the government inadequately tracked those with expired tourist or student visas.

A controversial alternative to fake IDs and other illegal practices is the Matricula Consular ID being used in the US, which is issued by Mexican consulates. This document is accepted at financial institutions in many states of the union and allows illegal immigrants to open checking and saving accounts. This has benefited American companies and banks who profit from remmittances of migrants towards their place of origin, while allowing immigrants to save money and identify themselves.[5] The passage of the REAL ID Act of 2005 (a part of Public Law P.L. 109-13) prohibits States from issuing identification or driver's permit cards to anyone who cannot demonstrate that they are legally in the USA, taking full effect in 2008. Citizenship and/or immigration status is to be clearly denoted on these ID cards and they automatically expire on the expiration date of non-citizens' visas or other authorizing documentation. These IDs will be tied to online databases which will allow instant verification of the validity of these documents at low cost or no cost to the person seeking verification. As of 2006, the anticipated effect of this legislation is to make it increasingly difficult for illegal aliens to use counterfeit documents to or to live and work illegally in the USA. However, at the same time, the REAL ID Act of 2005 effectively imposes a mandatory national ID for all US Citizens as well.

Yeah, obviously nothing wrong with this picture

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Originally posted by Lepanto Do yourself a favour and stop posting . Why don't you reason what i've said, cause im sure you have infinitely more experience on the subject than i do since you can post your .gobbledegook

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gobbledegook: Unclear, wordy jargon.

your reading comprehension and reading level must really be poor, if you think that what i wrote is unclear or wordy. perhaps you can understand the following: you suck ass and you're dumb. get it?

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Originally posted by Spacey Orange your reading comprehension and reading level must really be poor, if you think that what i wrote is unclear or wordy. perhaps you can understand the following: you suck ass and you're dumb. get it?

you're worthless and need to throw yourself of the bridge, the keyword is JARGON, do you need a link to dictionary.com for that too or you'll figure it out on your own with your 4 1/3 brain cells? maybe i can't read (God only knows how i'm able to take information in print and read what i'm currently typing that's why your posts are gobbledegook) but you also have no vocabulary.

no, i feel sorry for retards so allow me;

http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=jargon

Nonsensical, incoherent, or meaningless talk.

nonsense = you make no sense

incoherent = you're talking about you don't even know what about about a topic you're clearly known N O T H I N G about

and you ARE meaningless

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Originally posted by Lepanto you're worthless and need to throw yourself of the bridge, the keyword is JARGON, do you need a link to dictionary.com for that too or you'll figure it out on your own with your 4 1/3 brain cells? no, i feel sorry for retards so allow me; http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=jargon Nonsensical, incoherent, or meaningless talk. nonsense = you make no sense incoherent = you're talking about you don't even know what about about a topic you're clearly known N O T H I N G about and you ARE meaningless

did i claim to know something about the topic? well?

i know, i'll become and expert like you by generalizing about a large topic based on my one single experience with it. that will make me an expert on many things.

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Originally posted by Spacey Orange did i claim to know something about the topic? well? i know, i'll become and expert like you by generalizing about a large topic based on my one single experience with it.

ok you can go bathe with a toaster any moment you please. Yeah i have "one" experience with "it". I don't live in an immigrant-packed city, am not an immigrant myself, do not associate with over a hundred immigrant families, or anything of that sort. that's all "one" incident.

You're right, sitting online reading about it makes you more of an expert.

Ok here is my vent:

Im watching this take place and Im getting more angry by the minute. These people are so much in the wrong its not even funny. I really want the US to gather all the INS agents they can and get these rallies really started! Illegal immigrants are illegal and could be called criminals.

They try to say that this is about race its not. I dont hate hispanics I hate people trying to come to a country illegally. Let it be by crossing a border or overstaying your visa. Not all these people are hispanic I know some eastern europeans who do the same. Every illegal person here doesnt not have any rights since he is illegal. I think they should all be deported which would kill the economy and disrupt many things.

They also say they take jobs americans wont do. This is not true in certain ways. I believe that if they raised the minum wage from some appaling 5.00 an hour or something to a resonable wage many americans would do the jobs. I would work at Mcdonalds at 8 dollars an hour or so.

The other thing that they are upset about is that if illegal parents have an illegal son/daughter born in the US than that is not longer a instant American its an illegal kid(proposed I guess in these bills).....this makes perfect sense. If you gonna come here and have a kid and use our heathcare for free it should be illegal.

Bottom line this whole thing is rediculous I hope it backfires big time on these people. They want rights? They want to be americans. Do it the right way. Wait in your consulate/embassy in your respected countries like everyone does. According to parts of my family who came here they waited 2 years to come to America. Many other countries take longer but once they are here they are legal and free to all the rights that makes America great. They also adapted to our culture and learned our language something that is for debate in another thread

One quick thing, in NYC minimum wage is like 6 50 now and will be 7 25 or 45 next year

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Originally posted by Lepanto One quick thing, in NYC minimum wage is like 6 50 now and will be 7 25 or 45 next year

in other parts of the country its way less I belive. And Lepanto if we both didnt live with family (im guessing u do) would we be able to acutally live on 650 a hour for 40 hours a week? Without living up in Harlem

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Originally posted by InterMilan31 in other parts of the country its way less I belive. And Lepanto if we both didnt live with family (im guessing u do) would we be able to acutally live on 650 a hour for 40 hours a week? Without living up in Harlem

i could live in the bronx i guess Harlem number 2

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Originally posted by Lepanto i could live in the bronx i guess Harlem number 2

haha....were you born in Russia/Ukraine wherever...if so how long did you wait and doesn this illegal thing piss you off...dont you wish you bordered America lol just walk a couple feet to San Diego

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Originally posted by InterMilan31 haha....were you born in Russia/Ukraine wherever...if so how long did you wait and doesn this illegal thing piss you off...dont you wish you bordered America lol just walk a couple feet to San Diego

bro, my uncle's ex-wife's family moved here in the late 70's early 80's when the Jews were allowed to leave to Israel, they first had to go to Vienna and from there they went to the US. Throughout most 80's the boarders were closed and me and my parents were just living there. My dad was a big shot there so he didn't care but my mom's family were all moving here. Then in 91 or so when the boarders opened again they filed their documents. they were lost, re-found, lost etc, I came here earlier to live with my grandparents who were already here, my parents overall waited 7 years. they came here in 97.

My dad went from one of the richest guys back home to working in a factory where companies want logos on mugs and toasters and shit like that while my parents were learning better English and working on "proving" their diplomas here. I remmember days when they left at 5 am and didn't come home till midnight.

Now my mom owns a pharmacy and my dad a construction company.

Moral of the story? i'm more pissed off than u. hehe

Thats what I thought and you know the moral of that story is. When you come to America or any diff country your completly changing your life. You have to start from the bottom(if your not lucky) and make your way up. Legal immigration works because those people do jobs that "americans" wont do. Then they move up and up etc

Bottom line this shit is ridiculous I hope something comes out of this that DOESNT help illegals

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