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The latest attack on your freedom? City may "crack down" on garage sales

Yup... the garage sale. What will they think of next?

How about USEFUL laws like banning panhandlers? Why does the common taxpaying public always have to be made the criminal?

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City mulls crackdown on garage sales May 01, 2006 - 7:26 am By: Sneha Kulkarni The constant garage sale may soon become a semi-annual event. People who trot out their junk each and every weekend are being targeted by a proposed by-law that would limit them to twice a year. The city's planning committee will debate the new idea today. It was brought up because some individuals in the city have been masquerading their businesses as garage sales. Under the proposed by-law, a $500 fine will apply to anyone caught holding more than two garage sales a year.

Who exactly needs to hold more than two garage sales in one year anyways? They must have a lot of junk to sell.

IMHO garage sales are annoying for neighbours. Put your shit up on ebay and call it a day.

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Originally posted by zokissima Who exactly needs to hold more than two garage sales in one year anyways? They must have a lot of junk to sell.

I think that's the point. They're trying to cut down on people running a business selling "junk" and calling it garage sales. I bet no one claims capital gains from any profit they make selling crap at garage sales ... let alone PST/GST.

That being said, I think its a stupid rule, that will be next to impossible to enforce. I can't even imagine a squad of by-law officers hunting down all the neighbourhood garage sales, making sure everyone registered. I wonder how many billion a garage sale registry would cost?

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Originally posted by riskytrader IMHO garage sales are annoying for neighbours. Put your shit up on ebay and call it a day.

True, but this law is REALLY ridiculous

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Originally posted by TheVrk True, but this law is REALLY ridiculous

tax..

Who needs more than 2 garage sales anyways? The law is good... if you were to have garage sales every week, you're not cleaning out your garage, it's a business, so you should be taxed.

I have actually been to a yard sale on a Saturday selling an old bookshelf I threw out on Tuesday with my garbage.

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Originally posted by TO guy I think that's the point. They're trying to cut down on people running a business selling "junk" and calling it garage sales. I bet no one claims capital gains from any profit they make selling crap at garage sales ... let alone PST/GST. That being said, I think its a stupid rule, that will be next to impossible to enforce. I can't even imagine a squad of by-law officers hunting down all the neighbourhood garage sales, making sure everyone registered. I wonder how many billion a garage sale registry would cost?

I'll bet it's just like the parking enforcement where neighbours will be the ones snitching. In Mississauga they don't come out unless someone calls on neighbourhood streets.

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Originally posted by riskytrader I'll bet it's just like the parking enforcement where neighbours will be the ones snitching. In Mississauga they don't come out unless someone calls on neighbourhood streets.

But the parking enforcement officers can actually prove you are illegally parked. The by-law officers here won't be able to prove that you've already had two garage sales this year unless they were at those ones too. So the neighbours will have to go to court to prove all this ... over a $500 fine?

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Originally posted by Abercrombie Who needs more than 2 garage sales anyways? The law is good... if you were to have garage sales every week, you're not cleaning out your garage, it's a business, so you should be taxed.

Agreed!
besides, they are eye sores half the time, face it if you don't want it that means its the most useless or ugly crap you have, I'm not a big fan of seeing on peoples lawns every weekend. I compare to my place in Louisiana where my next door neighbour has a rusted out bus on his front lawn just because he can. Why would he pay to have it towed and thrown out if he can just pull a for sale sign on it and hope someone 20 years from now will want a rust covered gutted bus.

I hate having my Canadian neighbours flyer my house every single weekend... yeah I know you're having a garage sale, you've had one every week for your arts and crafts crap all summer long and your punk kid tries to sell me over priced craptastic lemonade every weekend too.

Hoooray for entrepreneurship!
They need to learn how to make a real business model.

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Originally posted by Jayx1 How about USEFUL laws like banning panhandlers? Why does the common taxpaying public always have to be made the criminal?

Because the pinko commie bleading heart socialists that run this city have to stop evil capitalizm every chance they get.... today garage sales tomorrow the manufacturing sector

Seriously, not everything preposed by a politition (other then harper... you like him right?) is an aweful invasion on your freedom. You need to look at things a little deeper, there are very good reasons for limiting this type of activity.... some of which have been mentioned.

i think what they are referring to are the garage sales that sell brand new electronics etc etc etc...... :P

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Originally posted by Moral Hazard Because the pinko commie bleading heart socialists that run this city have to stop evil capitalizm every chance they get.... today garage sales tomorrow the manufacturing sector

Seriously, socialism and communism can work, and work well. Maybe not here where people fear it and know next to nothing about it, but still..

In principle it is a ridiculous law, it just reeks of small measures taken to eek a few more tax dollars from people. And if you're running a business whose major form of distribution is a garage sale, well ya gotta wonder how well the business really does.

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Originally posted by zokissima Seriously, socialism and communism can work, and work well. Maybe not here where people fear it and know next to nothing about it, but still..

actually I was trying to take a shot at how Jay views everyone that is not a member of the CPC.... looks like I missed.

edit.... I disagree... communism cannot work under present technological and sociallogical conditions as the lack of a government or motivated self interest to direct the flow of resources would result in inefficiencies and/or scarcities that would degrade the standard of living beyond tolerable levels propting a return to capitalism or modified capitalism.

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Originally posted by Moral Hazard Because the pinko commie bleading heart socialists that run this city have to stop evil capitalizm every chance they get.... today garage sales tomorrow the manufacturing sector Seriously, not everything preposed by a politition (other then harper... you like him right?) is an aweful invasion on your freedom. You need to look at things a little deeper, there are very good reasons for limiting this type of activity.... some of which have been mentioned.

agreed

and they're not trying to stop people from having REAL garage sales..which if you ask me, are good for the community. just one aspect of civil society and u can actually start talking to you neighbours. shocking, i know!!!!

ps. i love garagesaling. i'm such the stereotypical cheap dutchie with 3 cheap dutch sisters and a cheap dutch best friend

garagesaling with them is on the short list of things that can make me get up at 6.30am on a saturday

i miss burlington

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Originally posted by zokissima In principle it is a ridiculous law, it just reeks of small measures taken to eek a few more tax dollars from people. And if you're running a business whose major form of distribution is a garage sale, well ya gotta wonder how well the business really does.

What's the substantial difference between a "garage sale" and a "home based retail store"?

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Originally posted by spitty u can actually start talking to you neighbours.

Neighbours... are they the people that live near me that I pretend not to see when passing by while walking the dog?

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Originally posted by Moral Hazard communism cannot work under present technological and sociallogical conditions as the lack of a government or motivated self interest to direct the flow of resources would result in inefficiencies and/or scarcities that would degrade the standard of living beyond tolerable levels propting a return to capitalism or modified capitalism.

return to welfare state


MH..can u tutor me in poli sci.....for the next 3 years?

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Originally posted by spitty return to welfare state MH..can u tutor me in poli sci.....for the next 3 years?

It was my major! If you ever need any help just let me know.

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Originally posted by Moral Hazard It was my major! If you ever need any help just let me know.

i will..and in the meantime i'll just stalk your posts on the boards.

i dunno, you explain things very well, and i like how when you see a problem in something, you don't bitch and bitch and bitch..you come up with viable solutions for it

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Originally posted by spitty i will..and in the meantime i'll just stalk your posts on the boards. i dunno, you explain things very well, and i like how when you see a problem in something, you don't bitch and bitch and bitch..you come up with viable solutions for it

Thanks.

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Originally posted by TO guy What's the substantial difference between a "garage sale" and a "home based retail store"?

I don't think you are legally allowed to have a home based Retail store. It's usually a violation of zoning. You may run a home based business but it should not be bringing in extra traffic. I had a best friend in grade 7 and 8 whos dad got busted having a staff of 6 working at his house and they shut him down for more or less the reason that it was bringing in extra traffic into a residential neighbourhood. I think once you have built a business up to the point where you have consistent costumers you should move it into a commericial or mixed zoning district. Now if it's all online sales or something that doesn't bring in flocks of customers, I beleive that is a different issue and within the limits. I have also seen cases where calls come into the house but the costumers don't and that seems to be within the guidlines as well.

I could be slightly wrong on the home retail thing but this is my understanding of it legally.

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Originally posted by nusty Agreed! besides, they are eye sores half the time, face it if you don't want it that means its the most useless or ugly crap you have, I'm not a big fan of seeing on peoples lawns every weekend. I compare to my place in Louisiana where my next door neighbour has a rusted out bus on his front lawn just because he can. Why would he pay to have it towed and thrown out if he can just pull a for sale sign on it and hope someone 20 years from now will want a rust covered gutted bus. I hate having my Canadian neighbours flyer my house every single weekend... yeah I know you're having a garage sale, you've had one every week for your arts and crafts crap all summer long and your punk kid tries to sell me over priced craptastic lemonade every weekend too. Hoooray for entrepreneurship! They need to learn how to make a real business model.

Oh no! the horror! Someone actually doing something at their house other than sleeping, watching tv or going to work! OMG! we cant have that! Call the bylaw police quick! I think they are about to mow their lawn too!

And they say we are a tolerant nation...

HA!

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Originally posted by Jayx1 Oh no! the horror! Someone actually doing something at their house other than sleeping, watching tv or going to work! OMG! we cant have that! Call the bylaw police quick! I think they are about to mow their lawn too! And they say we are a tolerant nation... HA!

I compeletely deserve that and acknoledge that I'm going to be one of those grouchy old men sitting on the porch when I retire.

I just think there are better (less trashy) ways of running a business. It's kinda like some crazy cousin that shows up at all your family reunions trying to sell you knifes. It's just something I don't want to have to deal with in a residential neighbourhood (or family reunion setting). Yeah I'm a jerk sometimes.

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Originally posted by Moral Hazard Because the pinko commie bleading heart socialists that run this city have to stop evil capitalizm every chance they get.... today garage sales tomorrow the manufacturing sector Seriously, not everything preposed by a politition (other then harper... you like him right?) is an aweful invasion on your freedom. You need to look at things a little deeper, there are very good reasons for limiting this type of activity.... some of which have been mentioned.

Actually in most third world countries they ban panhandling but allow for people to sell stuff on the street unlicenced. Everything from newspapers in traffic, to pop, to kiddie toys. You name it.

In Canada we allow people to beg and annoy but the moment anyone tries to sell something we bust them for not having a permit or disallow them because they may be a hazard, annoyance, etc etc.

If someone is having a garage sale every day and selling next to new items obviously its a problem. But my parents used to have 4 garage sales a year. They were more about socializing than money. We would even have the bbq going and we gave out free food(im sure now there is some health dept law against that too)

We are getting so uptight in this society.

"OMG i can see his old plates out on his driveway! The world is endeing! And whats worse is that i had to pick up the flyer telling me about it from my mailbox! OH THE HORROR!"

And people ask me why i want to move

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