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Posted by jun139 on May-07-2006 13:17:

nightclub E, nightclub S or the Pro S

i m thinking of getting new cartridges and stylus from my old one .. the crappy stantons .. and i want something really good .. and i m not into scratching much .. so which one should i get

- ortafons concorde nightclub E
- ortafons concorde nightclub S
- ortafons concorde PRO S

Posted by jun139 on May-07-2006 13:19:

i forgot to add in that .. i want something that will give me the amazing sound quality and clarity that i m looking for without much distortion .. and very very low vinyl wear..

Posted by T-Soma on May-07-2006 13:26:

I think the nightclub e are supposed to be the best. They are the most expensive...

Posted by Trance Nutter on May-07-2006 13:49:

Nightclub S.

wickedness in cart right there.
I'm actually intrigued by the Elektro's, they might be worth a look too.

but the Nightclubs are the top dog, either the E or S. I've got S's, can't remember why I went those over the E's (price probably)

Posted by jun139 on May-07-2006 15:55:

hmmm .. i can't seem to find the nightclub s in the online catalogue from DMC records or vinyl warning.. only the nightclub E

Posted by jun139 on May-07-2006 16:05:

actually after reading the specs for both nightclub E and S .. i still dun quite get the difference ?!?! so whys the price so different anywayz ? ?

Posted by Dervish on May-07-2006 17:23:

s = round needle (better tracking I think), e = elpitical (better sound quality and less wear)... or is it the other way around? lol

Posted by kimchi on May-07-2006 18:03:

check this out for more information regarding elliptical and sphereical.

veeerrryy good and informative read.
http://needleexpress.com/faq.htm

Posted by klappa on May-07-2006 18:09:

quote:
Originally posted by Dervish
s = round needle (better tracking I think), e = elpitical (better sound quality and less wear)... or is it the other way around? lol

Yep that's true. But i wonder if there are any difference that you can hear between the Nightclub S and E when playing a record?

Posted by jun139 on May-07-2006 19:22:

oh i c .. so basically the differences between the nightclub E and S are just the different types of stylus rite .. ahahah damn .. now i know .

Posted by Trance Nutter on May-07-2006 23:48:

quote:
Originally posted by jun139
oh i c .. so basically the differences between the nightclub E and S are just the different types of stylus rite .. ahahah damn .. now i know .

check storedj.com.au Its the same guys who are VW but sometimes the stock is different between the two. They may just be sold out of the NC S, email them and ask and see if they can get soem in for you.

Posted by gorex on May-08-2006 02:00:

nightclubs all the way

Posted by T-Soma on May-08-2006 07:06:

Is there a differnce bettween the concord nightclub cart and the concord pro s cart? Im thinking of buying the the pro s for money reasons and then when the stylus needs replacing just buying the nightclub. Can anyone tell the difference in the two?

Posted by jun139 on May-08-2006 08:14:

well .. i think they if u do get pro-s carts and nightclub E stylus .. that may improve the sound a little bit .. i m not sure though .. hahaha but im saving up now for a set of nightclubs Es..

oh and VW say they don't sell nightclub S as a kit .. if u want it .. u can get the nightclub E as a whole then get another sets of Nightclub S stylus. that would just be a waste of money i feel .

Posted by Liam on May-08-2006 17:56:

you can mix and match the carts/needles.

i wish i knew someone to swap scratch carts for my eleketros. Pink carts with white stylii would be dope.

Posted by Zoso on May-08-2006 19:16:

So who, other than Ortofon, carries an eliptical stylus? That post above about the shape of the stylus was a great read. Now I find myself wanting t3h eliptical. But the only eliptical model I see is an Ortofon from TopDJGear.com that runs about $190 per cart. Jebus! The wife would fall out and die if I told her I dropped $380 on farkin turntable carts!

Posted by Timski on May-08-2006 22:19:

Nah she would love it...

Anyway the best way to describe the difference between S = Spherical and E = Eliptical, is that spherical has a needle tip that comes down straight like a nail head so it will hold the groove of the record better... i.e. for scratching, and the eliptical has a slight bend in the the stylus tip so it will ride more free in the record grooves. But
will provide better quality of sound.

To the true audiophile/wanker the one to go with for sound quality is an eliptical tip stylus and will be slightly better on your records.

Also another thing you might see that has a chance of confusing is a double tube cantilever... the cantilever is what the needle sits on... That springy little peice of metal that rides along the records... Either way if its a double tube it also means it can take more of a bashing... again, scratchers.

Posted by Rebel Brown on May-08-2006 23:22:

quote:
Originally posted by jun139
and very very low vinyl wear..

Sorry to break it to you fella, but Ortofon carts are notorious for their record wear.

Shure are well known to be gentle on your records, but are you prepared to fork out the steep price for the Whitelabels...

Posted by jun139 on May-09-2006 04:53:

hmmmm.. i dunno abt those man .. ive got a friend who told me that the whitelabels are not conpatible with the M5Gs. which are what i have .. i dunno if thats true or not .. but still i have my mind set at ortafons.. probably the nightclubs E i can get a twin pack for 388

Posted by TazZ-erT on May-09-2006 04:59:

I use the Concord Scratch's to spin trance an i think ther're pretty good, hell of a step up from my Stanton 505's

Posted by antronx on May-09-2006 06:22:

I have Ortofon Nightclub S's and Stanton Trackmaster II E's
THe elliptical tips sound clearer and sharper, but the records have to be very clean, because those tips pick up every little dust partickle on the record. Ortofons Sphericals sound smoother, and dirty records are not a big problem, but the record wear and lower sound clarity are the disadvantages. I am planning to try the Elliptical tips on the Ortofons.

Oh, an BTW, since someone asked, I tried Ortofons Pro's tips on the nightclub's carts and it sounded worse that nightclub's tips.

Posted by T-Soma on May-09-2006 09:59:

quote:
Originally posted by antronx
Oh, an BTW, since someone asked, I tried Ortofons Pro's tips on the nightclub's carts and it sounded worse that nightclub's tips.

I figured that much but i wonna know if theres much of a difference between the carts. IE - Swapping the nightclub E stylus onto a pro s cart.

Posted by djkoolaide on May-09-2006 12:58:

low record wear? don't get ortofons and get some Shure M44-7's.

but i'll admit I do have ortofon Pro S concordes as my backup carts and they sound amazing.

Posted by Protege on May-09-2006 15:07:

I just got my nightclub yesterday. The sound is awesome, much better than the M44G I had. Its definitely worth the price imo.

Posted by Zoso on May-09-2006 19:07:

This thread has me so confused over which carts I want to buy next. I want light record wear, as I only mix at home as a hobby. No need to worry about some maximum, l337 club performance. Skipping isn't really an issue unless the kids are raising cain in the same room.

Are the Whitelabels a bitch to mix with due to the balance issue? How about the M44-7s? But then again everyone has nothing but praise for the Ortofons, and god they're sexy carts!

*Pulls out already short hair*

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