letter by President Ahmadinejad to President Bush

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Posted by Refinnej on May-10-2006 23:07:

letter by President Ahmadinejad to President Bush

I don't know if anyone has had a chance to read the letter that Iran's President wrote to George Bush. He brings up some very very good questions and I love the tone of this letter. Not attacking at all..just asking questions I think almost everyone in the world has asked.

Letter:
http://www.payvand.com/news/06/may/1081.html

Post your comments I am interested in hearing what others thought of this letter.

Posted by jon jon on May-10-2006 23:24:

quote:
September eleven was not a simple operation. Could it be planned and executed without coordination with intelligence and security services � or their extensive infiltration? Of course this is just an educated guess. Why have the various aspects of the attacks been kept secret? Why are we not told who botched their responsibilities?

I lose him here, is he talking consipiracy theories (CIA involvement), or collab between terrorits and Israel? I'm confused. lol

quote:
History tells us that repressive and cruel governments do not survive.

Well sure, ok, fine, not forever, but some last centuries.

Posted by Jer on May-10-2006 23:43:

I don't mind saying that I actually look at him differently now.

Posted by Refinnej on May-11-2006 00:13:

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Those in power have specific time in office, and do not rule indefinitely, but their names will be recorded in history and will be constantly judged in the immediate and distant futures.

Posted by Ace_of_Spades on May-11-2006 00:14:

He talks like he's a presedent of a country that has democrasy!

IF he really believes in things that he mentioned he should let all the political parties to participate in the elections .

It's so funny how they do it , they say vote for me or my freind or my freind's friend...others don have the right to be here. and they call that Democrasy. about half of iran's people don't even vote.

I wish he could question himself as well.

Posted by rabbitjoker on May-11-2006 00:17:

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Originally posted by Refinnej
Those in power have specific time in office, and do not rule indefinitely, but their names will be recorded in history and will be constantly judged in the immediate and distant futures.

Iran is a "democracy" - as long as you ignore the fact that the unelected Supreme Spiritual Leader is the real source of power in Iranian politics; and that the reactionary Council of Guardians filters out the genuine reformist candidates for parliament and the presidency; or that the Revolutionary Guards ultimately provide the force that underpins clerical rule.

And let's not forget the vigilantes of Ansar-e-hezbollah, who go around beating up students and immodestly-attired women.

Don't let Iran's "president" fool you with skillfully crafted propaganda.

Iran has a constitutional theocracy, and is not a democracy by any intentional definition. The whole idea of democracy is being able to choose the laws you live under, representative democracy is about choosing the people that will write the laws you want to live under and Iran doesn't offer anything like that -- you vote for radical Islamicist A or radical Islamicist B because those are the choices the mullahs give you.

Of the +1000 nominees for President, +900 were prevented from running by the ruling theocrats. The same thing happens with their legislature every time they have an "election" for those seats too. They also regularly veto laws that contradict Islamicist values, while directly authoring the others.

Posted by jon jon on May-11-2006 00:24:

^ haha owned

Posted by Ace_of_Spades on May-11-2006 00:28:

well saied RJ

how do you know all about these?

Posted by Carney on May-11-2006 00:59:

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Originally posted by extacy_bomb
well saied RJ

how do you know all about these?

RJ knows everything...he's one smart dude

Posted by MarkT on May-11-2006 01:11:

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Originally posted by rabbitjoker
...Don't let Iran's "president" fool you with skillfully crafted propaganda.
...

yep...

While what he says isn't complete bullshit...it's far from an objective analysis of the situation...and nothing he says is new or profoundly observant.

His words have neither any more credibility nor contain any more honesty than anything that comes out of Bush's mouth...as each individual and country has it's own agenda which often conflicts with the other.

While this isn't the case of "good" vs. "evil" (as the U.S. likes to spin it), it's *quite* ironic that an Iranian president would preach about injustice to the president of the U.S.

it's kinda like the pot calling the kettle black...both countries are notoriously "unjust" in many regards.

Posted by Abercrombie on May-11-2006 01:22:

quote:
Originally posted by rabbitjoker
Iran is a "democracy" - as long as you ignore the fact that the unelected Supreme Spiritual Leader is the real source of power in Iranian politics; and that the reactionary Council of Guardians filters out the genuine reformist candidates for parliament and the presidency; or that the Revolutionary Guards ultimately provide the force that underpins clerical rule.

And let's not forget the vigilantes of Ansar-e-hezbollah, who go around beating up students and immodestly-attired women.

Don't let Iran's "president" fool you with skillfully crafted propaganda.

Iran has a constitutional theocracy, and is not a democracy by any intentional definition. The whole idea of democracy is being able to choose the laws you live under, representative democracy is about choosing the people that will write the laws you want to live under and Iran doesn't offer anything like that -- you vote for radical Islamicist A or radical Islamicist B because those are the choices the mullahs give you.

Of the +1000 nominees for President, +900 were prevented from running by the ruling theocrats. The same thing happens with their legislature every time they have an "election" for those seats too. They also regularly veto laws that contradict Islamicist values, while directly authoring the others.

Very well said.

Posted by neuromancer on May-11-2006 01:38:

yeah rigth. dictators usually are very skilled talkers.
they abide by the rule 'if you cannot convince them, confuse them'.

Posted by Shaya007 on May-11-2006 01:52:

Posted by DJ_Elyot on May-11-2006 01:54:

It's no different than the bullshit in any of Bush's speeches. Obviously a lot of what this guy says makes sense... but some of it is horse manure. I kinda lost interest when he started babbling about religion.

Posted by 7-4-7 on May-11-2006 01:58:

as only the moronic autocrat Bush can, he dismisses this letter as being void of having one aspect of policy change or proposal...much like his entire presidency.

kudos to the letterwriter, and an additional 10 points for questioning Bush on his prior knowledge of 9/11.

Posted by hardcore trancer on May-11-2006 02:54:

I love the fact that he is telling Bush to fuck off basically and Bush has nothing to say to him,because to him everyone is s terrorist anyways.

This president is exactly what Bush needs,Someone just as fanatic as himself.

Posted by rabbitjoker on May-11-2006 03:13:

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Originally posted by Shaya007
Well said...

There is no point in re-phrasing what has already been eloquently stated by others.

Posted by geroin on May-11-2006 04:40:

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Originally posted by Shaya007
Well said..but where's the actual article (s) you got all this from?!

found some of it here;

http://hurryupharry.bloghouse.net/a...t_come_back.php

god call, at least citing the article would be nice if the quotes were taken from there

Posted by Shade on May-11-2006 05:21:

quote:
Originally posted by hardcore trancer
I love the fact that he is telling Bush to fuck off basically and Bush has nothing to say to him,because to him everyone is s terrorist anyways.

This president is exactly what Bush needs,Someone just as fanatic as himself.

You're being quite near-sighted if all you're looking for is someone to deface Bush. I'm not saying I agree with everything he does, hell I think he's been just plain stupid about many things - but the Iranian president certainly is not the right person to go out and deface Bush.

I didn't really bother reading this whole thing; as has previously been said, I too lost interest in the letter once he started basing things on strict religion. Though I did keep reading a fair bit after, it just started sounding really dumb and repeatative to me. The letter looks like it was sent just for the sake of pissing people off and creating commotion among the denizens of the world - chiefly in the U.S., of course.

RJ: Regardless of where that came from I think that was probably the most accurate/appropriate thing to say IMO, well done.

Posted by hardcore trancer on May-11-2006 05:36:

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Originally posted by Shade
You're being quite near-sighted if all you're looking for is someone to deface Bush. I'm not saying I agree with everything he does, hell I think he's been just plain stupid about many things - but the Iranian president certainly is not the right person to go out and deface Bush.

why not?he talks just like Bush and talks about god all the time and he also claims that god helps him in his decision makings again just like Bush.

These two guys are made for eachother and I hope they end up kill eachother because the world would be better off without them.

Posted by Sylent Syd on May-11-2006 10:49:

The letter is too long and has no pictures - My guess is Bush just didn't bother reading it and watched TV instead...

Posted by Moral Hazard on May-11-2006 12:35:

There is nothing quiet as entertaining as two heritics claiming to be true followers of their faith bickering over which one of them is just and which will suffer "divine retribution." Despite their claims neither of these men act in accordence with that which they espouse to believe.

Posted by fairy godfather on May-11-2006 14:39:

This letter is nothing but propaganda from a country that ceratinly has no right to question what goes on anywhere else in the world.

This week is was decreed that women could not attend soccer games in Iran.

A Canadian educator is currently being held prisoner in the country in the same prison where a Canadian journalist was BRUTALY murdered a few years ago.

Last year, two young men 16 and 18, were held prisoner for over a year. Tortured, and finally hung. Their crime? They were gay...

Whilst I understand that many do not support the actions of the US and its' president over the past few years, let's not affirm the daily violations of basic human rights by a repressive government...don't buy into this attempt to divert the real issue. Imagine this government with nuclear technology?

If you have the stomach for it...watch the video in the link below and then ask yourself what knid of letter should western governments send to this lunatic...

Video of Stoning to Death - Islam in action
Stoning to death is still carried out in the current era, in Iran and was carried out in the previous Taliban-ruled Afghanistan. ...

http://www.apostatesofislam.com/media/stoning.htm

Posted by DigDeep on May-11-2006 14:45:

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Originally posted by fairy godfather
Last year, two young men 16 and 18, were held prisoner for over a year. Tortured, and finally hung. Their crime? They were gay...

so i take it iran is not on your 'places to visit' list danny?

lol

(ok, that was pretty bad).

Posted by zokissima on May-11-2006 14:58:

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Originally posted by MarkT
yep...

While what he says isn't complete bullshit...it's far from an objective analysis of the situation...and nothing he says is new or profoundly observant.

His words have neither any more credibility nor contain any more honesty than anything that comes out of Bush's mouth...as each individual and country has it's own agenda which often conflicts with the other.

While this isn't the case of "good" vs. "evil" (as the U.S. likes to spin it), it's *quite* ironic that an Iranian president would preach about injustice to the president of the U.S.

it's kinda like the pot calling the kettle black...both countries are notoriously "unjust" in many regards.

Smartest reply yet.

This is indeed a well crafted propaganda narrative, but it is no different that what spews from the US government on a daily basis. It is no less accusatory, demeaning, self-justifying.

I'm just curious if all of these facts are so well known by everyone, how come we assume that the US is trully the "good guys"?

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