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How Flight 77 Hitting The Pentagon Would Really Look?

Is this what Flight 77 hitting the Pentagon would really look like from nearby security cameras instead of the nondescript blur footage we have been subject to?

This is obviously a crude collection of doctored frames but if the government had released something similar yesterday would you have believed it? Many would.

Wary therefore we are of the potential for the government to eventually release clear footage of the impact from the 84 other cameras that were dotted around the Pentagon and would have easily documented the event to debunk 9/11 skeptics.

The government claims all 84 cameras either didn't capture the impact or that tape in the cameras was mysteriously empty and yet returned as normal to film the cleanup operations.

Judicial Watch has said it will continue to pursue footage from the other 84 cameras. If the government is telling the truth in saying that the tapes show nothing of interest then what are they trying to hide by not releasing them?

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The Pentagon is a lot bigger than that relative to a jumbo jet. It is one of the biggest buildings in the country. That diagram shows the tail rudder nearly as tall as the building itself! Not to mention that at 500mph, a camera taking pictures at 1 second intervals could and would very easily miss the plane in its field of view better than 5 times out of 10. This is not 30 fps film.

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Originally posted by Shakka The Pentagon is a lot bigger than that relative to a jumbo jet. It is one of the biggest buildings in the country. That diagram shows the tail rudder nearly as tall as the building itself! Not to mention that at 500mph, a camera taking pictures at 1 second intervals could and would very easily miss the plane in its field of view better than 5 times out of 10. This is not 30 fps film.

so not one of the 84+ cameras show anything? and the ones they released are the best they got?

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Originally posted by dcougar99 so not one of the 84+ cameras show anything? and the ones they released are the best they got?

84 cameras in a very large area. The land around the pentagon, and the building itself is HUGE!

BTW, I am not saying there might not be anymore footage, I'm just saying it's possible that the cameras might not cover all the areas.

Remember, these cameras weren't meant to catch a plane crash into the side of the building. They are basically there to watch over the perimeter of the property, the parking lot, and the roads leading up to the pentagon building. I imagine they put some cameras looking at the building, and looking at the lawn, but those aren't very vital spots, so they probobly don't have the areas covered. Cameras are there, I would imagine, to look for attackers on foot, and trespassers looking to make some crazy political statement.

Maybe even burglars... but that seems silly

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Originally posted by dcougar99 so not one of the 84+ cameras show anything? and the ones they released are the best they got?

The 84 cameras aren't all directed towards a single point. They're diversified all around the perimeter. There's no reason why more than 1 camera should be covering a specific region of space. And as someone said, a plane traveling at 500mph is going at 200 meters per second, therefore a crappy security camera that takes snapsohts of the area only 1-2 times a second is very lucky to even catch a glimpse of the plane. There's no reason why they'd not release the video if it existed. I mean the twin towers were filmed by a bunch of amateurs anyways. One video more or less wouldn't make that much of a difference.

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Originally posted by DrUg_Tit0 The 84 cameras aren't all directed towards a single point. They're diversified all around the perimeter. There's no reason why more than 1 camera should be covering a specific region of space. And as someone said, a plane traveling at 500mph is going at 200 meters per second, therefore a crappy security camera that takes snapsohts of the area only 1-2 times a second is very lucky to even catch a glimpse of the plane. There's no reason why they'd not release the video if it existed. I mean the twin towers were filmed by a bunch of amateurs anyways. One video more or less wouldn't make that much of a difference.

they are not all pentagon cameras... ex. they took the tapes from a hotel 5 minutes after it happened... so more then one camera is pointed around the same location. 84+ tapes that they did not release... why not just release them all, no problem with that right?

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Originally posted by dcougar99 Is this what Flight 77 hitting the Pentagon would really look like from nearby security cameras instead of the nondescript blur footage we have been subject to? Judicial Watch has said it will continue to pursue footage from the other 84 cameras. If the government is telling the truth in saying that the tapes show nothing of interest then what are they trying to hide by not releasing them? link

You've just proven why it will never matter what they release, because it's either not going to be good enough to silence the conspiracy theorists, or, they will claim it's doctored, just like the one you presented.

In the meantime, let's all wonder what the government is "hiding", despite all the other over-whelming evidence that terrorist acts took place that day, shall we?

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Originally posted by donnybrasco You've just proven why it will never matter what they release, because it's either not going to be good enough to silence the conspiracy theorists, or, they will claim it's doctored, just like the one you presented. In the meantime, let's all wonder what the government is "hiding", despite all the other over-whelming evidence that terrorist acts took place that day, shall we?

terrorist acts did take place... I say they were state sponsored terror attacks.

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Originally posted by dcougar99 terrorist acts did take place... I say they were state sponsored terror attacks.

oh gawed, here we go....

yea, the government paid terrorists to fly a plane into their own building...are you listening to yourself??

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Originally posted by dcougar99 terrorist acts did take place... I say they were state sponsored terror attacks.

So what good will seeing the other supposed "84" cameras do? You're already convinced. I'll bet you could see the footage of 1,000 cameras and still draw your same conclusion.

And now that you think 9-11 is all a big lie, what now? What are you going to do with that "knowledge" as you call it? Are you going to start a Revolution? Have you ever tried to run your "knowledge" about 9-11 by the average person out there in the world? Just how much support do you really think there is for this nut-ball conspiracy theory?

Get a hobby. This stuff is a waste of your life.

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Originally posted by donnybrasco So what good will seeing the other supposed "84" cameras do? You're already convinced. I'll bet you could see the footage of 1,000 cameras and still draw your same conclusion. And now that you think 9-11 is all a big lie, what now? What are you going to do with that "knowledge" as you call it? Are you going to start a Revolution?

Don't forget the 'Che' shirt!!

I appreciate one's questioning of one's own government, but I feel this has gone a little too far.

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Originally posted by donnybrasco So what good will seeing the other supposed "84" cameras do? You're already convinced. I'll bet you could see the footage of 1,000 cameras and still draw your same conclusion. And now that you think 9-11 is all a big lie, what now? What are you going to do with that "knowledge" as you call it? Are you going to start a Revolution? Have you ever tried to run your "knowledge" about 9-11 by the average person out there in the world? Just how much support do you really think there is for this nut-ball conspiracy theory? Get a hobby. This stuff is a waste of your life.

you may be very surprised at how many people agree, that 911 was an inside job. In-fact many polls show this (can you find any that contradict this?)... but your also set in your ways so its not worth my time. we can agree to disagree. and i have a lota hobby�s in-fact... so dont tell me whats a waste of life... its mine to do what ever the fuk i want... just like yours.






Zogby poll says that 49% of New Yorkers polled believe bush and this administration are complicit in the 9/11 attacks.

I'd REALLY like you to link me to the EXACT page where these supposed "polls" are on CNN's website, because I have looked and can not locate them.

While you're at it, show me where the Zogby poll is on their website, because I can't locate it there either, no matter what I type in the search engine on their page ("9-11 conspiracy", "Conspiracy", "conspiracy poll", etc...).




Beginning to think these are photo-shopped polls dude.

Like this REALLY needed its own thread when something similar is on the same page, but since you insist on wasting HDD space here goes.

FACT Engines pieces from a Rolls-Royce RB211-535C turbofans were found at the scene, the same engines used by AA in 757's

FACT Matching wheels and tire debris to a 757 were found at the scene

FACT Several hundred eye witnesses saw a 757 crash into the Pentegon

FACT The black boxes were found at the scene

FACT AA painted nosecone from a 757 was found at the scene


Now for your claim about the video, plane traveling 500 mph wont be seen clearly on any camara that records at such low fps and resolution. Im not gonna do the math but 500 mph = alot of feet per second hence the reason of the blur.
Second for the missle theorist, a cruisemissle strikes its target froman angle of 30 degress to 90 degrees from the ground, not parallel to the ground like the object in the video.

I posted this in the other thread and here it is again http://www.abovetopsecret.com/pages...e_evidence.html

There is no evidence whatsoever that can put up reasonable doubt that anything other then a plane hit the Pentegon.
Why the hell would the US government orchestrate this anyways? It makes no sense, and honestly the believers are giving the government WAY TOO much credit. We cant even keep mexicans from illegally crossing the border yet they could pull this off.... /rolls eyes

you people make me want to buy stock in Reynolds Aluminum foil

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Originally posted by juzfugen Like this REALLY needed its own thread when something similar is on the same page, but since you insist on wasting HDD space here goes. FACT Engines pieces from a Rolls-Royce RB211-535C turbofans were found at the scene, the same engines used by AA in 757's FACT Matching wheels and tire debris to a 757 were found at the scene FACT Several hundred eye witnesses saw a 757 crash into the Pentegon FACT The black boxes were found at the scene FACT AA painted nosecone from a 757 was found at the scene Now for your claim about the video, plane traveling 500 mph wont be seen clearly on any camara that records at such low fps and resolution. Im not gonna do the math but 500 mph = alot of feet per second hence the reason of the blur. Second for the missle theorist, a cruisemissle strikes its target froman angle of 30 degress to 90 degrees from the ground, not parallel to the ground like the object in the video. I posted this in the other thread and here it is again http://www.abovetopsecret.com/pages...e_evidence.html There is no evidence whatsoever that can put up reasonable doubt that anything other then a plane hit the Pentegon. Why the hell would the US government orchestrate this anyways? It makes no sense, and honestly the believers are giving the government WAY TOO much credit. We cant even keep mexicans from illegally crossing the border yet they could pull this off.... /rolls eyes you people make me want to buy stock in Reynolds Aluminum foil

Nice job and good link.
Amazing what a nice round of factual logic will do...

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Originally posted by dcougar99 they are not all pentagon cameras... ex. they took the tapes from a hotel 5 minutes after it happened... so more then one camera is pointed around the same location. 84+ tapes that they did not release... why not just release them all, no problem with that right?

Ok..so suppose you have like 2-3 cameras..half of them wouldn't catch a glimpse of anything because of their low fps. And what's the point of releasing a tape from the opposite side of pentagon that shows an empty meadow or people walking in and out of the building?

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Originally posted by donnybrasco I'd REALLY like you to link me to the EXACT page where these supposed "polls" are on CNN's website, because I have looked and can not locate them.

Oh my God! I found out where he got those polls from!

I found another.



Actually, two questions about those polls.

1. Why does the first poll have everything in line, except for the percentages? Photochop, anyone?

2. Why did the first poll get only 8,000+ votes and the second one get 44,000+ votes?

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Originally posted by NeoPhono Oh my God! I found out where he got those polls from! I found another. Actually, two questions about those polls. 1. Why does the first poll have everything in line, except for the percentages? Photochop, anyone? 2. Why did the first poll get only 8,000+ votes and the second one get 44,000+ votes?

They're not photochoped. I VOTED on the damn poll myself, and it was removed pretty soon once roughly 90% voted that they believed there was a Government coverup.

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Originally posted by dcougar99 you may be very surprised at how many people agree, that 911 was an inside job. In-fact many polls show this (can you find any that contradict this?)... Zogby poll says that 49% of New Yorkers polled believe bush and this administration are complicit in the 9/11 attacks.

well, i know i always wait to see what others think before forming my own opinion the viewpoints of the moronic american public are pretty irrelevant to the rest of us. here is a public that voted bush in x2, but now they think he was complicit? fickle, ignorant slack-jawed halfwits. i reckon theres a damn good chance that the opposite of whatever the US public think is the truth. when the average US citizen can find me iraq on a map, ill start listening

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Originally posted by shaolin_Z They're not photochoped. I VOTED on the damn poll myself, and it was removed pretty soon once roughly 90% voted that they believed there was a Government coverup.

Riiiiiiiiiiight, another "conspiracy"...please.

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Originally posted by NeoPhono Oh my God! I found out where he got those polls from! I found another.

LOL! Exactly. These "polls" are bullshit. If you'd taken 2 seconds to look it up for yourself couger, you could have saved yourself a lot of paranoia. Either that, or YOU are the "conspiracy" maker, and you know it!

You are an ass dcougar99, and you've been outed. Now fade away.........

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN well, i know i always wait to see what others think before forming my own opinion the viewpoints of the moronic american public are pretty irrelevant to the rest of us. here is a public that voted bush in x2, but now they think he was complicit? fickle, ignorant slack-jawed halfwits. i reckon theres a damn good chance that the opposite of whatever the US public think is the truth. when the average US citizen can find me iraq on a map, ill start listening

Please Packistani. Do some reseach before you give any consideration to the morons.

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Originally posted by donnybrasco Please Packistani. Do some reseach before you side with the morons.

um, did you read my post? when was i siding with the morons?? (for the record, average US citizen = the morons)

i wonder how more productive this country would be if people had better things to do with their time.

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Originally posted by Lepanto i wonder how more productive this country would be if people had better things to do with their time.

not much. these people would just put their energy into growing pot or something

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