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Posted by rabbitjoker on May-20-2006 21:22:

The Da Vinci Deception



The Da Vinci Deception
by Mark Shea, Edward Sri

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/19...5Fencoding=UTF8

The Truth about the Lies in The Da Vinci Code!

Why has The Da Vinci Code sold tens of millions of copies worldwide? Is the book�s phenomenal success due to its compelling characters, thrilling plot points, or impeccable research? No. The Da Vinci Code has become an international hit because of its lurid prose and its sensationalistic�even blasphemous�claims regarding the "true" history of Christianity. In the end, it is nothing more than a thinly veiled assault on the person of Jesus Christ and His Church. Millions of people, who are not experts in history, art, theology, or archeology, are being led astray by The Da Vinci Code�s fraudulent assertions and invented history.

On May 19th, The DaVinci Code will be released as a major motion picture. Film critics have predicted it will be one of the year�s biggest blockbusters. The Da Vinci Deception is a powerful antidote to the spiritual poison found in The DaVinci Code. This easy-to-read, question-and-answer book tackles the key errors in this devastating cultural phenomenon.


Posted by rabbitjoker on May-20-2006 21:25:

The Da Vinci Deception uses Q&A format to dispel the falsehoods contained in DVC.

Example taken from text below:

QUESTION: But the Da Vinci Code says the bible evolved though countless additions and revisions. After all, there weren't printing presses or copy machines in the ancient world. How do we know that the New Testament we have today is an accurate representation of the original NT?

ANSWER: Let's compare the NT manuscript traditions to the second best attested work of antiquity: The Iliad, the ancient Greek epic by Homer. Homer wrote The Iliad around 800 BC, but we have no original manuscript of the work. Or modern day editions of this classical work are based on manuscripts that date from long after Homer's lifetime. Of the approximately 650 extant manuscripts of The Iliad, the oldest dates from around AD 200 to 300 - about 1000 years after Homer's lifetime! Nevertheless, most scholars recognize that these very late copies of The Iliad are reliable representations of Homer's original work, even through they date from more than a millennium after Homer himself.

The New Testament has a much stronger manuscript tradition than The Iliad. First, there are many more ancient manuscripts of the New Testament: we have well over 5000 manuscript copies of the New Testament in whole or in part. Second, these manuscripts are much closer in date to the originals. The New Testament was written within the first century AD, and we have copies of some of those New Testament writings within just a few decades after they were composed.

We have fragments and major portions of individual New Testament books dating from the second and third centuries, AD, and we have bond copies of the entire NT from the 4th and 5th centuries. So there are only 200 to 300 years between the copies and their original manuscripts. But with the very reliable Iliad, there's a 1000 year gap between Homer and the earliest extant copies of the work. Therefore the NT has a much stronger manuscript history than any other work of the ancient world.

QUESTION: Okay. But how do we know these NT manuscripts faithfully represent the original texts?

ANSWER: Because when you place those 5000 or so existing NT manuscripts side by side, they match up almost perfectly. It's important to note that these manuscripts were copied by many different people, from various parts of the world, at different times. Yet scholars have shown how these 5000 copies are 99.5% a match with each other on all major points. There may be some minor variations in terms of spelling or word order or vocabulary, but nothing that changes the sense of a particular verse or passage - nothing affecting matters of doctrine or morals.

This remarkably low rate of variation between the thousands of NT manuscripts should not surprise us. Remember the early Christians who passed on the Scriptures were copying the sacred texts they used for teaching, praying and worship. Indeed, they believed they were copying the very Word of God Himself. These manuscripts were copied with great care and reverence. In sum, the NT is the most reliable text we have from antiquity...

If the New Testament is not trustworthy, then no writings from the ancient world can be considered reliable - not Cicero, not Homer, not Plato, not Caesar. If we can't trust the NT manuscripts, then all university history and classics departments across the country should be shut down because they have no reliable documents from which to teach!


Posted by FunkyCrew on May-20-2006 22:07:

i don't understand why clergy all around the globe is angered so much - the book is freaking fiction

i'm not beting, but i'm sure there were books of similar nature done before, are they just jealous that Brown is now one of the most rich writers in the world?

the amount of religious anger these past couple of weeks makes me wonder if they do, in fact, have something to hide, and Brown's book just makes they feel threatened


Posted by Dj Smitty20 on May-20-2006 22:49:

Of course the Church has something to hide. They're as full of shit and corrupt as any other global corporation. And that's precisely what they are!

Ian Mckellan hit it square on the head by saying the Bible should have a disclaimer at the front seeing it is a work of fiction.

personally, the movie doesn't look that interesting so I'll wait for it to hit the cheap theatre here.


Posted by Cosmic Fur on May-20-2006 22:50:

quote:
Originally posted by FunkyGroove
i don't understand why clergy all around the globe is angered so much - the book is freaking fiction

i'm not beting, but i'm sure there were books of similar nature done before, are they just jealous that Brown is now one of the most rich writers in the world?

the amount of religious anger these past couple of weeks makes me wonder if they do, in fact, have something to hide, and Brown's book just makes they feel threatened


Ok now, fess up, who's using FunkyDrew's account?


Posted by FunkyCrew on May-20-2006 22:51:

quote:
Originally posted by Cosmic Fur
Ok now, fess up, who's using FunkyDrew's account?


wtf?


Posted by Chris Allen on May-20-2006 22:55:

The book may be fiction, but I've heard from many sources that the author is projecting his views as fact.

Also, anything to attack/question the views of something so powerful is going to be challenged back. We all know confrontation and religion go hand in hand

I for one enjoyed how everyone is wrapped up in a movie around the world so much on religion. Proves my thoughts that religion was 'created' for a basis of control.


Posted by Cosmic Fur on May-20-2006 22:55:

quote:
Originally posted by FunkyGroove
wtf?


There's the FunkyMove we all know and love.

My previous post was just highlighting how strangely coherent, intelligent, and on-topic your post was.


Posted by FunkyCrew on May-20-2006 22:56:

quote:
Originally posted by Cosmic Fur
There's the FunkyMove we all know and love.

My previous post was just highlighting how strangely coherent, intelligent, and on-topic your post was.


wow, well thank you

i'll try to come up with stuff like that more then


Posted by Dj Smitty20 on May-20-2006 22:56:

quote:
Originally posted by [NFC]Wave
Proves my thoughts that religion was 'created' for a basis of control.


interesting insight. And I agree totally....perhaps not created as such, but definitely used by the powers that be for exploitive purposes over the course of history.


Posted by FunkyCrew on May-20-2006 23:02:

quote:
Originally posted by [NFC]Wave
The book may be fiction, but I've heard from many sources that the author is projecting his views as fact.

Also, anything to attack/question the views of something so powerful is going to be challenged back. We all know confrontation and religion go hand in hand

I for one enjoyed how everyone is wrapped up in a movie around the world so much on religion. Proves my thoughts that religion was 'created' for a basis of control.


someone once said - religion is opium for the masses

many dictators in the past felt very threatened by the amount of power religion and clergy can have on people


Posted by rabbitjoker on May-20-2006 23:08:

quote:
Originally posted by FunkyGroove
many dictators in the past felt very threatened by the amount of power religion and clergy can have on people


If I was a dictator I'd be scared of God as well.


Posted by FunkyCrew on May-20-2006 23:12:

quote:
Originally posted by rabbitjoker
If I was a dictator I'd be scared of God as well.


ha! that's the point, it was the clergy not God himself they were scared of


Posted by Rodrico on May-20-2006 23:18:

quote:
Originally posted by rabbitjoker
If I was a dictator I'd be scared of God as well.


Thats why you become a christian dictator like Hitler! Then you cant go wrong for sure.


Posted by neuromancer on May-20-2006 23:27:

quote:
Originally posted by FunkyGroove
someone once said - religion is opium for the masses

many dictators in the past felt very threatened by the amount of power religion and clergy can have on people


thats why castro in cuba erradicated all religious congregations after the revolution of 59. i was basically educated as an atheist. i don't believe he is afraid of god at all.

about the book and god: god is dead. there is no god and the book is not good, there are way better detective stories out there.


Posted by FunkyCrew on May-20-2006 23:31:

i'm pretty far from the church too, but still...i do believe there are higher powers out there..


Posted by Rodrico on May-20-2006 23:36:

I've come to the motto of "Dont hate the man, hate the fanclub." type of thought as well.


Posted by Fir3start3r on May-20-2006 23:58:

quote:
Originally posted by FunkyGroove
someone once said - religion is opium for the masses


Yes, that would be Karl Marx; not exactly a great guy you want as support for your agruement. Which leads me to this director and his movie...

Actually, before I get into this, let me disclaimer myself now.
While I'm not a 'religious' person myself (if asked, I would classify myself as 'Christian'), I do have great respect for those that choose to align themselves with whatever religious denomination.
Now with that out of the way...

I'm getting the drift that the movie/book is very misleading and full of theoretical holes but for whatever reason, a good portion of the public is passing it off as fact and are therefore, 'astonished'.
Why would people do that if they don't know the whole truth?
Either the book/movie is that good or people are willing to be lead by the nose into a realm they really no nothing about. Because it's such a high profile religion, something must be wrong. Really?
A cloak and dagger senario within the Catholic Church isn't anything new. Why does the Catholic Church get picked on so much?
My theory is because it's one of the oldest yet most misunderstood even though we walk or work by people of Catholicism every day.
There's an area of mystery behind centeries old books and traditions which has caught the mind and imagination of millions, so the author has done his job in that, however does he disclaimer himself before leading people down this path?

The church should be upset. This guy is making millions of dollars on a lie. How much has he offered the church for his damages?
If this had been done in the Muslim realm you can bet there'd be a fatwa tagged on his ass, fiction or not...

You can argue that he may have just done his job as an author, I would argue that while he may have done that, he's hurt others in the process as well.
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Posted by Cosmic Fur on May-21-2006 00:22:

quote:
Originally posted by Fir3start3r
The church should be upset. This guy is making millions of dollars on a lie. How much has he offered the church for his damages?
If this had been done in the Muslim realm you can bet there'd be a fatwa tagged on his ass, fiction or not...


How much evil has been done in the name of The Church's lies?

How much has The Church offered to the people it led its inquisitions and crusades against?

Yes, well, the Muslims don't even allow images of Muhammad (see sig), but thankfully the Christians are a little more rational than THAT.


Posted by FunkyCrew on May-21-2006 00:35:

i'm sorry but what "damages"? true Catholics will not turn away from their religion in the name of some Hollywood movie or a book

or should the author make some generous donations to go directly into oh so corrupted clergy's pocket to silence the angry?


Posted by adi26 on May-21-2006 00:41:

quote:
Originally posted by FunkyGroove
i don't understand why clergy all around the globe is angered so much - the book is freaking fiction



The priests in India did not allow the movie to be released there!!


Posted by Fir3start3r on May-21-2006 01:29:

quote:
Originally posted by FunkyGroove
i'm sorry but what "damages"? true Catholics will not turn away from their religion in the name of some Hollywood movie or a book

or should the author make some generous donations to go directly into oh so corrupted clergy's pocket to silence the angry?


Well at least we know where you stand lol.

A straightforward disclaimer would have been a good idea...
Now we have nutjobs believing it's actually true, Da Vinci tours, yata, yata.

I don't understand how people figure the author isn't responsible for anything.
I'm not excusing the church, every religion has had it's problems but the fact is, billions of people follow this particular religion.
You just don't bad-mouth a religion for nothing without an agenda.
There's nothing with wanting to make a buck but I object to the ethics in this case.


Posted by Izra on May-21-2006 04:12:

Personally I am angered by the little book called the bible. I think it is one big massive lie ! They are hipocrites being angered by Dan Brown, at least he admits his writing is fictional.


Posted by RapidFire on May-21-2006 04:14:

Re: The Da Vinci Deception

quote:
Originally posted by rabbitjoker
Why has The Da Vinci Code sold tens of millions of copies worldwide? Is the book�s phenomenal success due to its compelling characters, thrilling plot points, or impeccable research? No. The Da Vinci Code has become an international hit because of its lurid prose and its sensationalistic�even blasphemous�claims regarding the "true" history of Christianity.


WRONG! its because of the hot chick on the cover


Posted by Euphorica on May-21-2006 05:42:

Just saw the movie. It was decent imo despite all the hype and bs surrounding it.

but give the church more money? are you frikken kidding?

People take it as fact cause they are dumb. Sure some of it may....may be true..who really knows, but its a frikken book/movie. its sad how people can see one thing and take it as fact even though its obviously not. People just need to be smarter about things like this.(which is easier said then done)


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