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And all this time I thought I lived in a "country of immigrants"
Wow, I must have been seriously off-base.
See, all this time I thought I was living in a "country of immigrants". You know, Statue of Liberty and such.
Now, MSNBC features an article where the author had the nerve to ask Are Immigrants Bad for America?
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12874209/from/RS.1/
Not just illegal immigrants mind you, immigrants in general. Not on some marginal website, but on MSNBC.
Ok, maybe I didn't get enough sleep and can't think straight yet this morning, but that's not how I read that article. Are you saying that the letter's author is against America, or the person responding? The columnist's response isn't against immigration, therefore I don't understand your problem with MSNBC's columnist answering the question. It's just a common citizen who thinks that they're bad, and the columnist is saying that they aren't, but instead "a critical resource that have kept America a vibrant, entrepreneurial and forward-looking country."
Re: And all this time I thought I lived in a "country of immigrants"
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| Originally posted by HardTranceProd Wow, I must have been seriously off-base. See, all this time I thought I was living in a "country of immigrants". You know, Statue of Liberty and such. Now, MSNBC features an article where the author had the nerve to ask Are Immigrants Bad for America? http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12874209/from/RS.1/ Not just illegal immigrants mind you, immigrants in general. Not on some marginal website, but on MSNBC. |
Let me clarify...
I admit that the sentiment of the article is not necessarily anti-immigrant, but what really made me angry is the title because it's the title that gets displayed on the main MSNBC page.
When someone opens up www.msnbc.com, browses the headlines, and sees one saying "Are immigrants bad for America?" that really gets my blood boiling. I think it would get anyone pretty angry.
I already mentioned in some other recent thread that America wants to have its cake and eat it too. America wants to bask in its multicultural image (which, by the way, is nowhere near as true as say Canada's -- the true multicultural country), but on the other hand it also prints headlines like this.
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| Originally posted by HardTranceProd I already mentioned in some other recent thread that America wants to have its cake and eat it too. America wants to bask in its multicultural image (which, by the way, is nowhere near as true as say Canada's -- the true multicultural country), but on the other hand it also prints headlines like this. |
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| Originally posted by ShadoWolf Outside of Toronto, Montreal and Vancouver, Canada's far more homogenous than the U.S. |
This is so lame. You obviously have no idea how the media works if you're upset with how MSNBC titled that article. It's even phrased as a question.
How about this one.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12888599/site/newsweek/
The End of Motherhood?
OMG no! Mothers are totally needed and it's terrible that MSNBC would post a link to an article in the phrase of a question and by that totally prove that they hate mothers and want them gone.
Get a clue, and while you're at it learn how to stop exaggerating.
Go check Mexican immigration laws before talking about ILLEGAL immigrants 
here's something.
enter here
another one
MEXICO CITY - If Arnold Schwarzenegger had migrated to Mexico instead of the United States, he couldnt be a governor. If Argentina native Sergio Villanueva, firefighter hero of the Sept. 11 attacks, had moved to Tecate instead of New York, he wouldnt have been allowed on the force.
Even as Mexico presses the United States to grant unrestricted citizenship to millions of undocumented Mexican migrants, its officials at times calling U.S. policies xenophobic, Mexico places daunting limitations on anyone born outside its territory.
In the United States, only two posts the presidency and vice presidency are reserved for the native born.
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In Mexico, non-natives are banned from those and thousands of other jobs, even if they are legal, naturalized citizens.
Foreign-born Mexicans cant hold seats in either house of the congress. Theyre also banned from state legislatures, the Supreme Court and all governorships. Many states ban foreign-born Mexicans from spots on town councils. And Mexicos Constitution reserves almost all federal posts, and any position in the military and merchant marine, for native-born Mexicans.
Encouraging tighter restrictions
Recently the Mexican government has gone even further. Since at least 2003, it has encouraged cities to ban non-natives from such local jobs as firefighters, police and judges.
Mexicos Interior Department which recommended the bans as part of model city statutes it distributed to local officials could cite no basis for extending the bans to local posts.
After being contacted by The Associated Press about the issue, officials changed the wording in two statutes to delete the native-born requirements, although they said the modifications had nothing to do with APs inquiries.
These statutes have been under review for some time, and they have, or are about to be, changed, said an Interior Department official, who was not authorized to be quoted by name.
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But because the model statues are fill-in-the-blanks guides for framing local legislation, many cities across Mexico have already enacted such bans. They have done so even though foreigners constitute a tiny percentage of the population and pose little threat to Mexicos job market.
Just 0.5 percent
The foreign-born make up just 0.5 percent of Mexicos 105 million people, compared with about 13 percent in the United States, which has a total population of 299 million. Mexico grants citizenship to about 3,000 people a year, compared to the U.S. average of almost a half million.
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There is a need for a little more openness, both at the policy level and in business affairs, said David Kim, president of the Mexico-Korea Association, which represents the estimated 20,000 South Koreans in Mexico, many of them naturalized citizens.
The immigration laws are very difficult ... and they put obstacles in the way that make it more difficult to compete, Kim said, although most foreigners dont come to Mexico seeking government posts.
J. Michael Waller, of the Center for Security Policy in Washington, was more blunt. If American policy-makers are looking for legal models on which to base new laws restricting immigration and expelling foreign lawbreakers, they have a handy guide: the Mexican constitution, he said in a recent article on immigration.
Calls for change
Some Mexicans agree their country needs to change.
This country needs to be more open, said Francisco Hidalgo, a 50-year-old video producer. In part to modernize itself, and in part because of the contribution these (foreign-born) people could make.
Others express a more common view, a distrust of foreigners that academics say is rooted in Mexicos history of foreign invasions and the loss of territory in the 1847-48 Mexican-American War.
Speaking of the hundreds of thousands of Central Americans who enter Mexico each year, chauffeur Arnulfo Hernandez, 57, said: The ones who want to reach the United States, we should send them up there. But the ones who want to stay here, its usually for bad reasons, because they want to steal or do drugs.
Some say progress is being made. Mexicos president no longer is required to be at least a second-generation native-born. That law was changed in 1999 to clear the way for candidates who have one foreign-born parent, like President Vicente Fox, whose mother is from Spain.
But the pace of change is slow. The state of Baja California still requires candidates for the state legislature to prove both their parents were native born.
i deleted the source link for this but it was msnbc.
Lepanto, there's a big difference, Mexico never really advertised itself as "the land of immigrants," this has never been a cultural symbol for them, despite some immigration.
America on the other hand likes to parade immigrants as its foundation and cultural distinction.
Who the f*ck cares about Mexico, you could just as well list some facts about Iceland for all I care.
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| Originally posted by HardTranceProd Lepanto, there's a big difference, Mexico never really advertised itself as "the land of immigrants," this has never been a cultural symbol for them, despite some immigration. America on the other hand likes to parade immigrants as its foundation and cultural distinction. Who the f*ck cares about Mexico, you could just as well list some facts about Iceland for all I care. |
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| Originally posted by HardTranceProd Lepanto, there's a big difference, Mexico never really advertised itself as "the land of immigrants," this has never been a cultural symbol for them, despite some immigration. America on the other hand likes to parade immigrants as its foundation and cultural distinction. Who the f*ck cares about Mexico, you could just as well list some facts about Iceland for all I care. |
Re: And all this time I thought I lived in a "country of immigrants"
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| Originally posted by HardTranceProd Wow, I must have been seriously off-base. See, all this time I thought I was living in a "country of immigrants". You know, Statue of Liberty and such. Now, MSNBC features an article where the author had the nerve to ask Are Immigrants Bad for America? http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12874209/from/RS.1/ Not just illegal immigrants mind you, immigrants in general. Not on some marginal website, but on MSNBC. |
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