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Ecler Nuo 3...worth it?

I'm thinking about getting a new mixer to replace my Vestax PCV 275. I want something with better sound quality and better EQs. I've had mine for almost three years and would like to upgrade either this summer or around Christmas of this year. I am looking at the Ecler Nuo 3, as i've heard some great things about it on here and in various reviews i've read online, professional and user reviews. I've also heard great things about the A&H Xone 32, which is a little more but the Nuo 3 seems easier to use, especially since the layout is very similar to my PCV 275. But my biggest question is...is it really an upgrade?

A bigger upgrade would be to say a Pioneer DJM 800 or an A&H Xone 62 or 92, but I don't need that many channels. I dunno if I need an effector since I really just like to mix and haven't gotten into the effects yet, and dont have the $$ for it. I also am curious about the advantage to more than 2 or 3 channels if you only have say two CDJs?. I also don't plan on getting two TTs, I used to own them but not anymore, just CDJs. I may get one TT but I just don't think I need any more than three channels. I could just save my Vestax PCV 275 as backup, since it would always be nice to have one until I find someone who might want it. But is it worth getting a Nuo 3?

Edit: I've also thought about the Pioneer DJM 400, but I think I want to stick with three channels in case I get a TT so I can play my old records..

A lot of people are upgrading from older Vestax 275's to the NUO3. It's similar to the Vestax in layout, so you'll be familiar, but it has newer features like adjustable curves and reverses on all faders, better, smoother faders (with ETERNAL upgrade optional) and better sound quality overall. You can still add external FX later on, as it does have an FX loop

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Originally posted by Soundwerks A lot of people are upgrading from older Vestax 275's to the NUO3. It's similar to the Vestax in layout, so you'll be familiar, but it has newer features like adjustable curves and reverses on all faders, better, smoother faders (with ETERNAL upgrade optional) and better sound quality overall. You can still add external FX later on, as it does have an FX loop

Thanks i'm thinking about getting an effects unit seeing as though if I do get a TT it wont be a Techs, i'm just getting one to play records on, or rip records that I can't get digitally anymore, I regret not doing that when I had TTs. So yeah I think i'll mess around with the Nuo 3 at a GC near me and see about getting it this summer or by Christmas. The Xone 32 looks cool too but the layout seems a bit weird and the volume faders seem different. So yeah I think the Nuo 3 might be cool. Heard it doesn't have split cue but you can still monitor with the PFL which I heard allows you to cross between left and right.

I might think about getting the Nuo 4 actually, seeing as I found it at Pssl.com for $749. So hopefully it will stay that way, cause that's a pretty good price, about $250 more then the Nuo 3.

I have a Nou4 and it kicks some serious ass. The EQ's and faders are so nice.

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Originally posted by failsafe I have a Nou4 and it kicks some serious ass. The EQ's and faders are so nice.

What about the Eternal crossfader, do you really need it? Says it doesn't come with it, but that's pretty stupid that they wouldn't include that with the price of the mixer. Only the Nuo 5 does...but i guess I really don't use the crossfader anyways so it doesn't matter i guess..

So now it's between the Nuo 3 and the Nuo 4. I dunno if I'de use the MIDI capabilities of the Nuo 4 though....

I was just checking out the nuo site, and I see they use 'surface mount technology'. That is how behringer makes their gear. It means the parts are put on the circuit board and then dipped into a solder bath. They are not individually soldered (which gives a stronger join).
Nuo 5 does look nice tho

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Originally posted by skot_e I was just checking out the nuo site, and I see they use 'surface mount technology'. That is how behringer makes their gear. It means the parts are put on the circuit board and then dipped into a solder bath. They are not individually soldered (which gives a stronger join). Nuo 5 does look nice tho

So would that make their parts inferior then, because Behringer I heard makes pretty crappy stuff, esp mixers. The Nuo 5 is way out of my league, just looking to spend $500 to $800 on a mixer, no more...

I wouldn't say the 'parts' are inferior - I don't really know as you'd have to check for sound quality. What is the issue for me is that a solder bath is the cheapest way of manufacture, common among products being built in China. This is because it requires less manufacturing. basically the componets are put on the board and then the borad is run through a pool of solder. The build quality is not as effective and excessive force on the knobs etc 'can' break the join.
The positive of this build is that it is cheaper (hence why Behringer products are less expensive) and the products should sell for less. If they're not, then that means greedy manufacturer.

It's just something to think about, thats all. it does not mean the product is no good. You'd probably find most dvd, tv etc products are going the same way due to the build efficiency.

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Originally posted by skot_e I wouldn't say the 'parts' are inferior - I don't really know as you'd have to check for sound quality. What is the issue for me is that a solder bath is the cheapest way of manufacture, common among products being built in China. This is because it requires less manufacturing. basically the componets are put on the board and then the borad is run through a pool of solder. The build quality is not as effective and excessive force on the knobs etc 'can' break the join. The positive of this build is that it is cheaper (hence why Behringer products are less expensive) and the products should sell for less. If they're not, then that means greedy manufacturer. It's just something to think about, thats all. it does not mean the product is no good. You'd probably find most dvd, tv etc products are going the same way due to the build efficiency.

Yeah I see, i'm just looking for a good 3 channel or 4 channel mixer for under $1,000 with good sound quality and is reliable. My Vestax PCV 275 has held up really well but with digital, I don't think the sound quality is up where it should be, due to the fact when it was made, it was made with more Turntables in mind not CDJs. The DJM 800, Xone 92 or Nuo 5 are way past what I'm willling to spend and need...

may dedon's dn-x500, as discussed in previous posts

For me I had the option of the Nuo3 or the XOne:32... the price back when I started comparing the two was $666 for the Nuo and the XOne was hovering around $780.... However just recently I noticed that the XOne32 dropped down to an astonishing $695.. ONLY $30 dollars more than the Nuo3.

So my choice has been made for me... XOne32 it will be for me. it doesn't have effects, but the filters will be a load of fun to use!!

ALL Eclers are built with the highest quality components, and are 100% MADE IN EUROPE (Spain). I can assure you that they have NOTHING in common with Behringer The have one of the lowest failure rates in the biz, and a 3-year warranty.

BTW, most modern electronics are made using SMD technology

PS--there are open-box NUO4's selling for $550 on www.music123.com !

Does the Ecler Nuo mixer have filters?

only the NUO5 comes with onboard effects, which includes 3 filter types

Im looking to upgrade to a Nuo4, cheaper than a xone32 and with 4 channels instead of 3.

don't forget that an awesome 3 channel mixer is the rane empath...although i have only used it once...i can say that is was probably the best mixer that my hands have touched (better than ecler hak and djm-600) and the sound quality is very good...

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Originally posted by Soundwerks ALL Eclers are built with the highest quality components, and are 100% MADE IN EUROPE (Spain). I can assure you that they have NOTHING in common with Behringer The have one of the lowest failure rates in the biz, and a 3-year warranty. BTW, most modern electronics are made using SMD technology PS--there are open-box NUO4's selling for $550 on www.music123.com !

Well they do have ONE thing in common and that's the solder bath. That's my original objection, not so much to the parts themselves. i just feel it's a lesser build quality as the join strength is weaker, but as long as you don't treat it too rough, it's probably gong to be ok. And a 3 yr waranty is exceptional in modern electronic gear. It shows they really stand behind their products.

but it's probably the only way to be able to supply a quality product, to a certain market.

the money you save on the manufacturing can be spent on using higher quality components, which allow you to offer a better warranty, because you have the confidence to able to do that and not go bankrupt from having to constantly fix things for free.

plus, having someone hand solder every little component would be nuts... the price of the mixer would be totally outrageous, and then a bunch of people would complain about why didn't ecler go w/ SMD?

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Originally posted by sr126 but it's probably the only way to be able to supply a quality product, to a certain market. the money you save on the manufacturing can be spent on using higher quality components, which allow you to offer a better warranty, because you have the confidence to able to do that and not go bankrupt from having to constantly fix things for free. plus, having someone hand solder every little component would be nuts... the price of the mixer would be totally outrageous, and then a bunch of people would complain about why didn't ecler go w/ SMD?

yeah i certainly understand the lower cost of manufacture etc, but it can just be converted to higher pprofits too.
And hand soldering- that'd be robots anyway, but again the cost of the 'plant' would be higher, again pushing up the price.

Anyone who has experience with an Ecler product wouldn't doubt their build quality.

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Originally posted by skot_e yeah i certainly understand the lower cost of manufacture etc, but it can just be converted to higher pprofits too. And hand soldering- that'd be robots anyway, but again the cost of the 'plant' would be higher, again pushing up the price.

Um no, if its called "hand soldering" then it is done by humans, the only way to effectivly make modern electronics is by solder bath, from your posts that I have read, I get a feeling that you dont know what you are talking about. The solder that the components attach to is on the board, Its called pads and they have solder already on them. A robot then lays out the parts which have an adhesive on the underside, and after all the components are placed in their respective spots it then runs under a big heat gun which melts the solder. In all respects smd is a very reliable technology that does not break easily, with out it our circut boards would be twice as big because you'd technically only have one side to work with.

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Originally posted by Devil Bunny Um no, if its called "hand soldering" then it is done by humans, the only way to effectivly make modern electronics is by solder bath, from your posts that I have read, I get a feeling that you dont know what you are talking about.

small technicality, as for not knowing, i don't work in a factory, so your right I have never seen the process in action. I am relying on the input of an electronic 'engineer' (if that what he's called) who is my lecturer, and claims that the process is inferior.

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The solder that the components attach to is on the board, Its called pads and they have solder already on them. A robot then lays out the parts which have an adhesive on the underside, and after all the components are placed in their respective spots it then runs under a big heat gun which melts the solder. In all respects smd is a very reliable technology that does not break easily, with out it our circut boards would be twice as big because you'd technically only have one side to work with.

i'm not saying it's not effective, but from what your saying here the components sit on the board until the solder is melted. They do not have legs that go through to the other side which is what inreases the strength of the join. Hence leaving it suceptable to being easily broken if enough force is applied. As I have already said, if you treat it well enough you'd have no problems.
i'm not sure why you say there'd only be one side to work with. PCB's can be used on both sides, but the components are on one side in every application I have seen. Can you elaborate.

Okay, I have produced PCB's (Printed Circut Boards for those reading). With the standard DIP package, the pins go through the board, thus limiting what you can place on the other side, and same goes for a double sided PCB usins the same Dip package. Now if you look at the SMD DIP the pins only need to be solderd on the same side of the board that the chip is on, thus leaving no pin pads to prevent the placement of chips on that side of the board. SMD technology also opens up the fact that you can place traces Inside the board to allow even more complex PCBs to be created. As I also stated, the factory puts glue on the bottom of the SMD chip to attach it more securely.

Simply bashing a company because they chose to use SMD technology instead of standard Pin through boards is pathetic, shure it can be cheaply produced. In fact, most companys do it to add more features to their product. Look at the MP3 player market, and cell phones, those two things go through a ton of abuse, and look at them, they use SMD technology. In all my time of dealing with electronics I have never seen a SMD chip pop off the board because of abuse. Don't forget, theres this thing called Quality Control, and in electronics they have to be tested, every chip, every circut board, and every "final product" have to go through a so called "Burn In Test" infact, most of the time it is just that, operating the equipment in ovens and freezers for days on end to weed out the faulty products.

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