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More Liberal Behaviour Modification Schemes... Drop out? No driver's licence

Lame!!

The nanny state strikes again!

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Students who quit school may have to wait until they are 18 to be able to apply for a driver's licence, under legislation expected to be passed by the Ontario government on Thursday. At the same time, the provincial Liberals also plan to introduce other changes to the Education Act meant to increase graduation rates at the province's high schools, including new co-op programs, courses and a new type of high-school diploma. Dropouts could face fines of up to $1,000 and parents who do not push their children to attend school could also be financially penalized. Only 71 per cent of eligible high-school students graduated in the 2004-05 school year, while about 45,000 young people drop out each year. Education Minister Gerard Kennedy, who tabled the proposed changes in December 2005, said the government wants to increase the graduation rate to 85 per cent by 2010, halving the number of dropouts. But NDP education critic Rosario Marchese said in December that the plan was short-sighted. "In my view, if a students needs to leave for economic, academic, emotional or social reasons, they will find it a punitive way to hold students in school." The province's current laws, passed in 1954, require students to stay in school until 16. "With files from the Canadian Press"

for once i actually agree with the NDP

BTW... its funny how everyone was afraid of stephen harper's so called hidden agenda which never materialized. Meanwhile, who has been the greatest force in taking away our rights? Our very own ontario liberals.

I think that if you drop out of highschool for no good reason you should be sterilized.

How 'bout that?

ppl leave school for all sorts of reasons. you can't fucking penalize them for that! comeplete BS

Just remember that the provincial election is in 2007. And also remember that you never hear of such ridiculous bans when conservatives are in power. In fact it was Harris that actually EXTENDED the drinking hours from 1 until 2.

When the conservatives pass a law... it usually has a useful purpose. Such as the new law banning 50 year olds from screwing 14 year olds.

its good that they want to get the drop out rate to be less...cause tonnes of kids are dropping out of hs these days for NO FRIKKING REASON at all other then they are lazy and dont want to go...

although I dont think this woudl really solve the problem.



harris fucked up so much for schools btw.

Sterilization is the answer. Stupidity breeds stupidity, and we don't need more of that! HAW HAW HAW

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Originally posted by VERTiG0 Sterilization is the answer. Stupidity breeds stupidity, and we don't need more of that! HAW HAW HAW

+1

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Originally posted by Jayx1 Lame!! The nanny state strikes again! for once i actually agree with the NDP BTW... its funny how everyone was afraid of stephen harper's so called hidden agenda which never materialized. Meanwhile, who has been the greatest force in taking away our rights? Our very own ontario liberals.

please move to Alberta if this concerns you, in Ontario,we have a high dropout rate.

If you have a solution, rather than political rhetoric...air it, cause as it stands now you are complaining.

We need to solve this problem. The Liberals have the foresight to make parents accountable for their children, and children, accountable for themselves.

This should be followed by an insane amount of funding by the conservative lackys, into the Ontario education system. Which will NOT happen. Make school a worthwhile venture, so that people will stay....let's see how the conservative autocrats deny any increase in funding.

This is more about the education situation and the status of our youth, than it does about politics.

crime, education, unemployment rates...etc etc would all be positivly affected by this.

Well, they gotta undo those dropout rates resulting from PC education reforms somehow! :P

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Originally posted by 7-4-7 please move to Alberta if this concerns you, in Ontario,we have a high dropout rate. If you have a solution, rather than political rhetoric...air it, cause as it stands now you are complaining. We need to solve this problem. The Liberals have the foresight to make parents accountable for their children, and children, accountable for themselves. This should be followed by an insane amount of funding by the conservative lackys, into the Ontario education system. Which will NOT happen. Make school a worthwhile venture, so that people will stay....let's see how the conservative autocrats deny any increase in funding. This is more about the education situation and the status of our youth, than it does about politics. crime, education, unemployment rates...etc etc would all be positivly affected by this.

By denying driver's licences to kids who drop out, you are actually promoting poverty. Why? Perhaps the kid is forced to get a job due to family hardship? Now how will the kids get to work in areas without public transit?

The liberals really need to think twice about this law. If they really wanted to make someone accountable, they would say that a child must stay in school until 18 unless their parents say otherwise. But this liberal government has a pattern of thinking they know better than everyone else.

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Originally posted by Matt Well, they gotta undo those dropout rates resulting from PC education reforms somehow! :P

Yes, those awful PC reforms. Forcing teachers and students to write evaluation tests. So bad!!!

it doesn't effect me directly atm so oh well.. and when it does effect me (when I have my own kids), if they drop out of school I will beat their asses myself so the government won't have to worry about much

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Originally posted by magikb it doesn't effect me directly atm so oh well..

precisely the attitude of most people with most bans. Which is the precisely the problem.

Who implemented the 4 year high school program, and eliminated OAC?

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Originally posted by Orko Who implemented the 4 year high school program, and eliminated OAC?

and i say good... OAC was a waste of time

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Originally posted by Jayx1 and i say good... OAC was a waste of time

I liked that extra year.

Felt much more prepared to venture off on my own in uni with it.

I support it and think we should stil have it around (as an option like it was before for those who wanted to take advantage!)

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Originally posted by Jayx1 and i say good... OAC was a waste of time

I didn't ask if it was a good thing or not, I asked who implemented it? I actually wanted to know which government was responsible. Again, instead of answering a question in a straight forward matter, you try and push an agenda.

You think it was a waste of time? Have you seen any of the serveys of first year uni student comprehension levels? Have you talked to any professors in uni in the last 4 years? Have you talked to any high school teachers about it in the last 8 years?

Please talk to the educators about it being a waste of time or not. They will tell you that the four year system eliminated a lot of essential material for post secondary education (mainly math). The number of tutorial, extra help sessions (in uni and college) has increased since the elimination of OAC.

I completly saw the value of OAC. I was happy that I went through that system, as it actually gave me time to grow as a person, let alone learn. OAC was much more than about just material, it was about age and maturity level.

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Originally posted by Orko OAC was much more than about just material, it was about age and maturity level.

+1

(plus I wanted to be able to drink the 2nd I hit first year!! )

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Originally posted by Orko Who implemented the 4 year high school program, and eliminated OAC?

+1

it's another topic, but I couldn't agree more...dumbest move ever.


this legislation is, IMHO, clearly shortsighted and will prove ineffective on it's own.

but...I'd also like to see stats on the % of people on welfare who don't have a high school education, for starters. It's hard enough to earn a living out there...but when you don't even obtain a BASIC education...

let's also assume that parents are playing less and less of an active role in their kids lives...don't we have to target kids themselves if we're to keep them in school instead of trying to go after absent/uncaring/busy/whatever parents?

so if not the driver's license...what? it's easy to bash the legislation...but let's hear some alternative initiatives.

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Originally posted by Jem_hadar +1 (plus I wanted to be able to drink the 2nd I hit first year!! )

Maybe I just got a good set of teachers, but we were treated completly different in OAC. The same teachers gave us so much more freedom and autonomy. They gave us first year level work, and expectations.

When I got to first year, I had no problem adjusting to the work load, or difficulty level. I had a much harder time with the transition from 12->OAC.

I'm totally for this....if kids want to drop out of high school for a no good reason then they should lose their license!

I don't know how work permits work in Canada....but in the US they are trying to push it so kids who drop (without a legitimate reason) out lose their work permits along with their license. I think it's a great idea....maybe dropping out of high school and working at Burger King wont be so tempting.

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Originally posted by Jayx1 BTW... its funny how everyone was afraid of stephen harper's so called hidden agenda which never materialized. Meanwhile, who has been the greatest force in taking away our rights? Our very own ontario liberals.

Harper's hidden agenda is still hidden because he won't let the medai ask him any questions about it

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Originally posted by Jayx1 By denying driver's licences to kids who drop out, you are actually promoting poverty. Why? Perhaps the kid is forced to get a job due to family hardship? Now how will the kids get to work in areas without public transit?

Do the kids still have feet?

If so, there are many ways to get around.

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Originally posted by Jayx1 By denying driver's licences to kids who drop out, you are actually promoting poverty. Why? Perhaps the kid is forced to get a job due to family hardship? Now how will the kids get to work in areas without public transit?

My understanding of the legislation is that there are exceptions available if the child's withdrawl from the education system was necessary for economic reasons.

I didn't do OAC (out of province) but my impression of my friends is that it was a waste of time - most of them took easy courses and had tons of free time to kill.

Kids dont need that extra year of school, and it's a waste of taxpayers money. I came from a high school in BC (no OAC) and did very well in Engineering. OAC is not neccessary. If you can't hack uni at 18, either get a job to mature, or maybe uni is not for you.

I must say, usually I find Jayx1's posts to be against my political views, however with this recent smoking ban, the threat to ban "body odor/perfumes" and now this driving liscenece, I'm starting to see what he means. The ontario gov't is getting way to controlling.

Smoking was already effectivly banned - and I liked it, I could go to clubs and not come back all smokey, but those who smoked, still could go to private clubs, or places with ventilated smoking rooms. Now, they are going to far, The dangers of smoking are well documented, and if they choose to smoke, let them do it. Previously the laws kept smokers together (in private clubs and ventilated rooms), but now they have nowhere to go.

The question remains - what will they ban next? e.g. clubs have to close at last call (this is what its like in san fransisco) - only a few of us enjoy these clubs, but the vast majority of ontario wouldnt care. It could happen.

This is another reason, among many, in August, I'm moving to Calgary.

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