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Which VSTi's for supersaw sounds has SUB oscillators?!

Hi,

Correct me if I am wrong, but isn't it so that something like V-Station doesn't have sub oscillators? Maybe you could transpose one of the oscs 1 octave down in V-Station for the sub, but then you only have 2 oscillators left to make the supersaw sound which is too little. What do yo think?

I was wondering which VSTi's that are good for making supersaw sounds have SUB oscillators. Everybody can list them here please? Thanks!

Sub oscs reallly add that extra bottom end to a sound.

I'm making a "supersaw"-sound with V-station at home right now for a song and I'm trying to use 2 V-stations to get a fat sound. One panned to the right and one panned to the left.

Each V-station has one Osc transposed 1 octave down and two "untouched" Oscs.

Haven't got the sound all right yet, but it might work for you =)

I am more looking for VSTi's that can do the whole supersaw sound with sub osc with only 1 instance to keep things simple.

triangle has a sub and its free

with fm7 you can add an oscillator one octave lower and still use unison, but seriously, it's not really a good idea to use subosc for supersaws. You might prefer to play lower and highter notes at the same time.

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Originally posted by Dance123 I am more looking for VSTi's that can do the whole supersaw sound with sub osc with only 1 instance to keep things simple.

Hah! good luck finding that synth! I guess you could build one in Reaktor like Ross did or if your DSP coding is top notch you could do it that way, provided you have a DSP card.

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Originally posted by everyMan with fm7 you can add an oscillator one octave lower and still use unison, but seriously, it's not really a good idea to use subosc for supersaws. You might prefer to play lower and highter notes at the same time.

Why it not a good idea to use sub osc for supersaws?? Doesn't the JP8000 have a sub osc?? Please explain.. thanks!

try Cakewalk's Rapture. it's a wavetable synth, so if you're anal about multisamples you might not like it. the supersaw in it sounds pretty good. i have a JP as well, so i have something to compare it to. i don't remember if Rapture has a sub-bass "oscillator", but i'm pretty sure it does since it has something ridiculous like 300 different wavetables. aside from having the supersaw waveform, it's a pretty badass synth all around. it's basically Z3TA's big brother.

Sytrus is pretty nice .

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Originally posted by Dance123 Why it not a good idea to use sub osc for supersaws?? Doesn't the JP8000 have a sub osc?? Please explain.. thanks!

Because you have more control over the sound. if you want to play chords of the same patch, you also might want the lower notes to play differents keys than the highter. If you have set a subosc, it will follow the same keys as the highter notes, some octaves lower, and will sounds messy.

In this example, no subosc is used, the lower and the highter parts plays differents keys and it still has the lower ends you expect : http://perso.wanadoo.fr/TranceDevotion%20/cygnus.mp3

! Powerful clip !

Edit : oh, and the JP doesn't have a suboscillator. you might think of the virus. JP has only two oscs that you can transpose two octaves up or down.

and anyway you'll cut the lower frequencies while mixing. no need for a subosc..

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Originally posted by everyMan In this example, no subosc is used, the lower and the highter parts plays differents keys and it still has the lower ends you expect : http://perso.wanadoo.fr/TranceDevotion%20/cygnus.mp3 ! Powerful clip !

Massive ;P Yours?

Getting a second V-Station to go along with your first doesn't mean you have a Unison of 6. It's just a Layer of 2, 3-osc synths. Doesn't mean it sounds bad though ofcourse. But they will be out of synch with eachother.

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Originally posted by nhibberd But they will be out of synch with eachother.

they need to be out of sync/phase to get the unison effect. so actually it's unison of 6 voices created with 2 instances of one synth

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Originally posted by PutBoy Massive ;P Yours?

Of course, otherwise how I would have been able to know the played notes?

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Originally posted by thecYrus they need to be out of sync/phase to get the unison effect. so actually it's unison of 6 voices created with 2 instances of one synth

Well the point of a dedicated multi-osc synth is that you can controll the synchronisation. If you have two synths playing, the synch to eachother is just about random going through MIDI. That's what the difference is between layering two 3-osc synths to a 6-osc synth.

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Originally posted by nhibberd the synch to eachother is just about random going through MIDI.

only the initial startpoint of the phase is random and it will stay the same way trough the whole midi. so it isn't a problem and normally you can't control the phase on a synth.. so actually it's still the same.

Korg Polysix has a really nice sub OSC.

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