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Ok Which JP Should I Get???

I'm starting to build the studio up and was wondering should I get the 8000 or the 8080? I don't have any other midi controllers or synths, or softsynths yet. Better yet, should I just forget the Roland and grab a Virus C or TI instead? I know the Rolands have been used extensively by everyone and possibly exploited to the max?

Thanks

PS..are the Mackie HR824's worth it, or is there an equivalent set thats cheaper and as powerful?

first, speaking of "overused one-trick pony" - JP would definitely be a #1 contender for the spot. If you don't have a MIDI controller, 8080 is out of the question, as it doesn't have the keys. You'll need to get something that DOES have keys. If you must have JP, 8000 is yor only bet, unless you plan to shell out for add'l kbd to be your MIDI master.


second, to call a virus "overused" is like saying that just because everyone drives cars, you shouldn't. If you plan to stick to standard sounds, patches, etc - virus is definitely not your primary choice. However, if you want to have some room for creativity - virus is your best bet at the moment. as far as its sound being "overused", unlike JP - virus sound can be made to sound like just about anything. It's only the user that becomes the limiting factor of the synth. the modulation capability on C and TI series are virtually unparalleled by anything short of OB Matrix 12 or Andromeda. Though, keep in mind that the price tag difference between JP and Virus can be substantial. You can probably get something like kC for about $900-$1000 or if you look hard and lucky - somewhere in the ballpark of $700 (if you can find it). Ti also has many issues at the moment, however, they are being erradicated and it's an overall wondersynth. I personally would not trade 10 JP's for 1 Ti, but that's just me. Furthermore, if you could only buy one synth and one synth only - Ti would be it.

My "deserted island" gear list would start with Ti Polar (though I doubt it will be of much use without the power - realistically speaking )

do some research on www.harmony-central.com in User Review section of the synths. Vintagesynth.com is another good spot (but a bit dated and doesn't have all the latest and greatest info).

bottom line - stay away from JP8xxx - and don't let the "supersaw" junkies convince you otherwise. it's a lame and overused piece of crap.

/flame_suit: ON - bring it on JP pansies!!! raaaaaaaaaawrrrrrrrrrrrrr

Hi

I own the hr624's and i can't recommend them enough the hr824's are for big studios with lots of acoustic space the hr624's are more for small studios or rooms. But your best bet is to go down to your local music shop and try a few different monitors out. As for hardware synths the jp is a good buy as i use it mainly as a midi controller for other vsts just assigning various parts of the vst to each knob and still use it for pads and when layered with soft synth sounds you get a nice and fresh sounding synth if used correctly...i think the virus is a good allrounder though from what i have heard. Best option go down to your local store and see what suits your style your wanting to produce. I think people on here can only advise you it's down to you as an individual to find that piece of equipment which suits you.

Hope this helps

Craig

ps. I use HR824's (have been using them for quite some time) - great monitors, though, some claim they are "too dark". I find them just right but you can probably get something else cheaper. The best suggestion - take the music you know well and listen.

Eventide 8 series or even Yamahas are worthy runners-up. I might be selling mine HR's, as I'm downsizing my studio - so, drop me a line if you're interested. Mine are in fantastic shape and look great. I even have the original boxes.

Cheers!

jp80x0 makes the cleanest supersaw. Best for airy pads.

Eh, you dont have to use saw waves to make pads...These days I mix in wavetables and samples pitched down a few octaves...Great way to make atmospheric sounds by dropping wavetables, ambient sound samples and elctromechanical keyboard samples down by 48 semi tones.

The supersaw is fecking hard to get right without a supersaw/feedback oscillator though. Been trying on and off for a few months now on my Virus B and its still not there...

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Originally posted by emc^2 first, speaking of "overused one-trick pony" - JP would definitely be a #1 contender for the spot. If you don't have a MIDI controller, 8080 is out of the question, as it doesn't have the keys. You'll need to get something that DOES have keys. If you must have JP, 8000 is yor only bet, unless you plan to shell out for add'l kbd to be your MIDI master. second, to call a virus "overused" is like saying that just because everyone drives cars, you shouldn't. If you plan to stick to standard sounds, patches, etc - virus is definitely not your primary choice. However, if you want to have some room for creativity - virus is your best bet at the moment. as far as its sound being "overused", unlike JP - virus sound can be made to sound like just about anything. It's only the user that becomes the limiting factor of the synth. the modulation capability on C and TI series are virtually unparalleled by anything short of OB Matrix 12 or Andromeda. Though, keep in mind that the price tag difference between JP and Virus can be substantial. You can probably get something like kC for about $900-$1000 or if you look hard and lucky - somewhere in the ballpark of $700 (if you can find it). Ti also has many issues at the moment, however, they are being erradicated and it's an overall wondersynth. I personally would not trade 10 JP's for 1 Ti, but that's just me. Furthermore, if you could only buy one synth and one synth only - Ti would be it. My "deserted island" gear list would start with Ti Polar (though I doubt it will be of much use without the power - realistically speaking ) do some research on www.harmony-central.com in User Review section of the synths. Vintagesynth.com is another good spot (but a bit dated and doesn't have all the latest and greatest info). bottom line - stay away from JP8xxx - and don't let the "supersaw" junkies convince you otherwise. it's a lame and overused piece of crap. /flame_suit: ON - bring it on JP pansies!!! raaaaaaaaaawrrrrrrrrrrrrr

Oh, cool, you own a JP?

You mean you don't think it makes some amazing basses too?

Oh wait, what? You don't own a--oh.. oh i see.

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Originally posted by DJ Shibby Oh, cool, you own a JP? You mean you don't think it makes some amazing basses too? Oh wait, what? You don't own a--oh.. oh i see.

haahaha! Oh, sorry - that was too synthetic of a laugh. I USED to own JP8080 and after I reallised what a toy it was - I dumped it. But hey, toys for boys. When you grow up, come and see me - I'll point you in a general direction of "pro" gear.

Ok, laddie?

coming from a guy who needs books to help him produce

HAHA YOU LOSE MOTHERFUKKAH.

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Originally posted by Derivative HAHA YOU LOSE MOTHERFUKKAH.

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Originally posted by dj_kane coming from a guy who needs books to help him produce

Children, grow up oh, and kiss my ass too...

p.s... why don't you lift my kilt and blow my bagpipe, ya stinky leperchauns?

Sillyness.

Mackie HR 824's

I use the Mackie HR 824�s in my small bedroom come studio and my wife says that she can hear the dam things coming down the street.
I�ve played loads of CD�s through the Mackie�s and you cannot believe how many CD�s where poorly mastered and produced.
Lots of CD�s I don�t listen too now because they sound so bad, on my car CD player or on my home stereo they sound good?
Normal speakers are boasted in the mid range and don�t produce certain frequencies and make music sound good.
Music I had made that sounded well on my cheap monitors sounded good on my Mackie�s, but the music that sounded bad on my cheap monitors sounded bad on my Mackie�s.
I played thriller and bad by Michael Jackson and I knew the mastering was spot on and the music sounded amazing and the bass sounded tight on these babies.
I played music through them that I knew sounded good and they sounded the same on the Mackie�s. To me these monitors don�t lie and they are completely honest.
They can handle anything you throw at them and more, they just yawn and say bring it on.
They go dam loud and really go down so low you really think there is a sub, they can handle bass and I�ve played hip hop reggae and all types of bass heavy music and they just yawn.
I played some bass heavy keyboards and vst�s through them and the whole place shakes; I think the house will fall down and the Mackie�s will still be playing
I�m getting the sub to go with the Mackie�s and I play the music loud and my 14 year old daughter tells me to turn the music down.
Get the Mackie HR 824�s and feel the power! Don�t have them at full volumes for long as they like to slap you about a bit and you ears hear bells.

For what it's worth: I have the KRK RP-6 monitors, I can really recommend them, probably my best purchase ever.

There are many speaker discussion threads in the archives.

The KRK RP-8s are very good or th money. They are a little more "Forward" Than the Mackies, it comes down to personal preference and your room.

My reccomendation is to find somewhere that has a great return policy. Try one set out at home and then the other, make a choice and then enjoy.

Re: Ok Which JP Should I Get???

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Originally posted by KiNeTiC ENeRgY I'm starting to build the studio up and was wondering should I get the 8000 or the 8080? I don't have any other midi controllers or synths, or softsynths yet. Better yet, should I just forget the Roland and grab a Virus C or TI instead? I know the Rolands have been used extensively by everyone and possibly exploited to the max? Thanks PS..are the Mackie HR824's worth it, or is there an equivalent set thats cheaper and as powerful?

Buy the best pair of monitors you can afford, and use softsynths until you have money for a Virus B. This is only a suggestion.

Thank u guys I really appreciate all your feedback I'm gonna head over to Guitar Center and try out the Mackies and everything else they have for monitors. I'm kinda torn as to what type of Synth I should start out with, beit a softsynth or hardware. I have a newly built, water cooled computer that can handle the programs so I'm good to go there. I know its still hard to beat out hardware as far as the warmth and fullnes of sounds are concerned, but in the end, I guess both soft and hardware are needed these days and can compliment each other.

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Originally posted by KiNeTiC ENeRgY Thank u guys I really appreciate all your feedback I'm gonna head over to Guitar Center and try out the Mackies and everything else they have for monitors. I'm kinda torn as to what type of Synth I should start out with, beit a softsynth or hardware. I have a newly built, water cooled computer that can handle the programs so I'm good to go there. I know its still hard to beat out hardware as far as the warmth and fullnes of sounds are concerned, but in the end, I guess both soft and hardware are needed these days and can compliment each other.

Get either Propellerheads Reason or Fruity a shot first. Quite a few professional producers nowdays are software only. And as far as software sounding "thinner" than hardware - thats's total BS. it all depends on which VSTi and how you program it. If it sounds thin - layer it. Something like Pro53 can tear a new a-hole out of any monitors without even trying too hard. z3ta is also known to shred quite a few measly cones

Give these few a shot. I'd recommend starting out with software anyway. This way you are not laying out too much cash upfront, unless you go totally nuts. Get a decent hardware interface, nice MIDI controller like CME if you want a decent feel on keys or a cheap synth with fantastic keys and sound like AN1x - and off you go.

cheers!

get a jp 8000. dont listen to einstein. his not that smart!

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Originally posted by dj_kane get a jp 8000. dont listen to einstein. his not that smart!

Oh, I suppose you're a bright candle on the cake... FYI "He is" is spelled "he's" not "his". mmokay pumpkin?

edit: on a side note: who cares, whatever works for ya... get a JP - what do I care?

Roland JP 80X0 is for pansy wimps that have to wipe their arse with half a roll of toilet paper because they are scared of getting shit on their hand.

*REAL* men use one ping only.

Linky:

http://www.smartelectronix.com/~bram/plugins.php?id=11

a jp8000 and a virus c is all you need dude!

well i must be a pansy then. but as the saying goes it not what you've got its how you use it so your views on the jp are your own.

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