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Posted by NYCTrancefan on Jun-06-2006 15:33:

U.S. offers Iran nuclear technology

From: http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNe...?hub=TopStories


The United States will reportedly provide Iran with nuclear technology if it stops enriching uranium, according to diplomats familiar with a package of incentives.

The package -- drawn up last week by six world powers -- is aimed at getting Tehran to curb its nuclear program. It was presented to Iran by EU foreign policy chief Javier Solana.

Shortly after it was delivered, Iran's top nuclear negotiator Ali Larijani said the package of incentives contained some "positive steps" -- but also some "ambiguities."

"We hope, after we study the proposal in detail, we will have another round of talks and negotiations to achieve a balanced and logical conclusion," he added.

Details of the package have not been made public, but diplomats close to the negotiations told The Associated Press on condition of anonymity that the U.S. would give Iran nuclear technology.

The U.S., along with the four other members of the UN Security Council -- Britain, France, Russia and China -- agreed on the proposals with Germany in a meeting in Vienna on Friday.

Iran says it is enriching uranium for the peaceful production of nuclear energy, but Western leaders fear it could be used to build weapons-grade uranium for nuclear warheads.

The package reportedly offers economic and political rewards if Iran abandons domestic uranium enrichment. It also contains the implicit threat of UN sanctions if Iran remains defiant.

The Associated Press, citing diplomatic sources, reports that Washington sweetened the original offer drawn up by France, Britain and Germany, saying it will lift some trade sanctions on Tehran. Those include a ban on Boeing passenger aircraft and related parts if Iran agrees to stop enrichment.

One of the diplomats also told AP that Washington would be prepared to take some "dual-use" technology -- products that have military as well as civilian uses -- off its banned list of exports to Iran.

Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad indicated over the weekend that an agreement was possible and welcomed the U.S. offer to join talks, although he rejected preconditions.

Iranian officials have repeatedly ruled out using oil as weapon. Nevertheless, the nuclear dispute propelled oil prices to $73 a barrel Monday.

Iran is the world's fourth-largest oil exporter and the second-largest producer in the Organization of Petroleum Exporting Countries (OPEC).


****** Well since Iran is looking to have nuclear technology see know reason why they will turn this down, right? Seems like they have also gotten a bunch of other incentives for trade, industry, etc. from Europe and U.S. as well as continuing their dealings with China, Russia. Now we will see their response. Heaven forbid if they accept and Ahmedinajhad has to now focus on acutally dealing with internal issues like poverty which he mentioned in his campaign to be president. We shall see. Sometimes I am left with the feeling that the Iranian leadership often needs this concept of a confrontation with the West i.e. U.S. to keep the domestic populace in control and hold on to the Islamic Revolutionary fervor.

The solution to this issue seems pretty obvious, if Iran says it wants nuclear technology and doesn't intend to develop weapons and Russia, China, E.U. and now the U.S. according to this report are now offering nuclear technology isn't that what they were seeking. I wait to see the response from the clerics in Tehran.


Posted by Renegade on Jun-06-2006 15:43:

Russia offered Iran a similar deal a month or two ago (i.e. the provision of low-grade uranium suitable for use in power stations but not the development of nuclear weapons, in exchange for Iran's abandonment of its uranium-enrichment programs) but Iran rejected that offer, so I'm not sure if we should be confident that this deal will end up any differently.

The fact is that Ahmadinejad has the Western world at his beck and call right now - why would he want to give that up?

EDIT: Now with more linky goodness:

http://en.rian.ru/russia/20060411/45575203.html


Posted by NYCTrancefan on Jun-06-2006 15:57:

quote:
Originally posted by Renegade

The fact is that Ahmadinejad has the Western world at his beck and call right now - why would he want to give that up?


Because ultimately it will prove the Supreme Council's true intentions to the world and not just relying on the same old tired lines about American imperialism, etc. After all to be offered all of these incentives and to not accept would be very dubious on their part as to the motives. What else could the world do besides just letting them build a nuclear bomb if they don't accept strong proposals delivered by Solano. The ball is fully in Iran's corner.

Its not just Russia now but the E.U. U.S. China as well that are offering up economic, political incentives to them to stop enrichment of uranium and pursue a nuclear program that will provide nuclear power but not weapons. Let's be honest many claim the U.S. was ready to invade,never mind the Iraq situation, now they are offering nuclear technology, that is a big difference in my mind.


Posted by Renegade on Jun-06-2006 16:08:

quote:
Originally posted by NYCTrancefan
Because ultimately it will prove the Supreme Council's true intentions to the world and not just relying on the same old tired lines about American imperialism, etc. After all to be offered all of these incentives and to not accept would be very dubious on their part as to the motives. What else could the world do besides just letting them build a nuclear bomb if they don't accept strong proposals delivered by Solano. The ball is fully in Iran's corner.


You're completely right here of course. If Iran is being sincere about its motives, then it has absolutely no rational reason to reject this offer - but then when has the current Iranian administration ever inspired you to believe that it is in the least bit sincere or in the least bit rational? As you said, so long as Ahmadinejad can use the leverage of nuclear proliferation against the West "to keep the domestic populace in control and hold on to the Islamic Revolutionary fervor" then I imagine he will continue to do so.

I hope I'm wrong, naturally, but given that the Russian offer failed, I'm not sure that this offer stands much of a realistic chance of succeeding either.


Posted by emc^2 on Jun-06-2006 17:38:

It's all a game of political chess. Sometimes you have to surrender a Queen in order to get 2 Queens. The problem, as I see it, that there's enough pressure in the White House to just dump some coal into the White House lobby and be pretty certain you can come back next morning to collect pure diamonds.

So much for "No negotiating under the gun". However, I do think that Washington is trying to portray to the world that Iran has failed to accept any compromise and is after a nuke. However, even if US does manage to build its case, all the blunders in Iraq will be enough to offset any response from "allies". And Russia or China will have their mandatory "so what" response. Because Iran's nukes will not be aimed at Iran's best customers and patron saints.

Furthermore, expect some dirty tactics from Russia or China, should US start planning a strike. Two of the best intel agencies in the world will most likely be supplying intelligence to Iran. And shahs don't even need to get their own satelites into orbit to get it. Most likely it will even be delivered in a nice box with gift ribbons around it.

Sadly, US at the moment is a victim of (pick your own analogy, if you must) "A boy who cried 'wolf' too many times" predicament. Texas rodeo clown only has an imaginary stick he can wave, the real one has been lost among sand dunes of Iraq in the eyes of the world...


Posted by Fir3start3r on Jun-06-2006 18:02:

quote:
Originally posted by NYCTrancefan
Because ultimately it will prove the Supreme Council's true intentions to the world and not just relying on the same old tired lines about American imperialism, etc. After all to be offered all of these incentives and to not accept would be very dubious on their part as to the motives. What else could the world do besides just letting them build a nuclear bomb if they don't accept strong proposals delivered by Solano. The ball is fully in Iran's corner.

Its not just Russia now but the E.U. U.S. China as well that are offering up economic, political incentives to them to stop enrichment of uranium and pursue a nuclear program that will provide nuclear power but not weapons. Let's be honest many claim the U.S. was ready to invade,never mind the Iraq situation, now they are offering nuclear technology, that is a big difference in my mind.


People seem to forget that the U.S. has always said that they will not take anything off the table and would use all available dialouge available before doing anything drastic.

I think it's great if Iran actually comprimises with the conditions.
If they don't, you're right NYCTrancefan, they certainly will look like cretins to everybody...


Posted by juzfugen on Jun-06-2006 18:17:

quote:
Originally posted by emc^2
It's all a game of political chess. Sometimes you have to surrender a Queen in order to get 2 Queens. The problem, as I see it, that there's enough pressure in the White House to just dump some coal into the White House lobby and be pretty certain you can come back next morning to collect pure diamonds.

So much for "No negotiating under the gun". However, I do think that Washington is trying to portray to the world that Iran has failed to accept any compromise and is after a nuke. However, even if US does manage to build its case, all the blunders in Iraq will be enough to offset any response from "allies". And Russia or China will have their mandatory "so what" response. Because Iran's nukes will not be aimed at Iran's best customers and patron saints.

Furthermore, expect some dirty tactics from Russia or China, should US start planning a strike. Two of the best intel agencies in the world will most likely be supplying intelligence to Iran. And shahs don't even need to get their own satelites into orbit to get it. Most likely it will even be delivered in a nice box with gift ribbons around it.

Sadly, US at the moment is a victim of (pick your own analogy, if you must) "A boy who cried 'wolf' too many times" predicament. Texas rodeo clown only has an imaginary stick he can wave, the real one has been lost among sand dunes of Iraq in the eyes of the world...


I disagree with this the perfect scenario for Washington, if Iran accepts its win/win for everyone, if they dont accept it gives Washington/EU/Israel the leverage it needs to strike against Iran either finanacially or militairly



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