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WTF IS WRONG WITH THIS WORLD?
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From the AP:
Spectators and family members of some of the 17 Muslim men accused of plotting terror attacks in Canada were stunned Tuesday when they heard allegations of plans to storm Parliament, take hostages and behead the prime minister.
Authorities during a hearing at the Ontario Court of Justice further alleged that one of the suspects, Steven Vikash Chand, also plotted to take over media outlets, including Canadian Broadcasting Corp.
The details of the charges _ notably the purported plot to take political leaders hostage and behead them if Muslim prisoners were not freed in Afghanistan _ added a chilling dimension to a case that has led U.S. authorities to toughen security along the border and unsettled Canada's large Muslim community.
Police say they expect more arrests, and intelligence officers are probing whether 12 adults and five juveniles arrested over the weekend had any ties to Islamic terror cells in the United States and five nations in Europe and Asia.
Chand, a 25-year-old restaurant worker from Toronto, was one of 15 suspects who made brief court appearances Tuesday. They were held behind a glass enclosure, brought in as groups of four or five, chained together in ankle shackles and handcuffs.
Chand, bearded with shoulder-length hair, blew a kiss to supporters as he was led away as formal bail hearings for him and the 14 others were postponed until at least Monday.
"There's an allegation apparently that my client personally indicated that he wanted to behead the prime minister of Canada," said Chand's lawyer, Gary Batasar. "It's a very serious allegation. My client has said nothing about that."
Speaking outside the courthouse, Batasar said the charges were based on fear-mongering government officials.
"It appears to me that whether you're in Ottawa or Toronto or Crawford, Texas, or Washington, D.C., what is wanting to be instilled in the public is fear," he said.
He also suggested that Prime Minister Stephen Harper, who expressed happiness at the arrests, should "keep out of the case."
In Ottawa, Harper appeared to take the alleged beheading threat in stride. "I can live with these threats as long as they're not from my caucus," he joked.
The Ontario Court of Justice in Brampton, a small city just west of Toronto, had said earlier that the suspects faced charges that included participating in a terrorist group, importing weapons and planning a bombing. The specific details were made public Tuesday.
Lawyers and family members said they were being given too little information about the case, and charged that the suspects' rights were not being respected.
Rocco Galati, a lawyer for suspect Ahmad Mustafa Ghany, 21, told the judge that his client's constitutional rights had been violated because he was only able to interview him in the presence of an armed guard.
"The right to private counsel was afforded even at Nuremberg," Galati said.
Outside the court, Donald McLeod, a lawyer for Jahmaal James, 23, also complained of restricted access to his client, including only being allowed to speak to the accused through Plexiglas and not being allowed to have private discussions.
Arif Raza, who represents Saad Khalid, 19, said he had never been allowed to speak to his client and was not even allowed to slip him his business card so Khalid could attempt to call the lawyer from the Maplehurst Correctional Center outside of Toronto.
U.S. Ambassador David Wilkins praised Canadian authorities.
"We appreciate the swift and effective action taken by Canadian law enforcement officials," Wilkins said in Montreal. "They stepped in decisively and I think helped defuse a very dangerous situation. No country is immune to terrorism and we frankly applaud their swift, decisive, heroic efforts."
The U.S. Border Patrol, meanwhile, put agents on high alert along the 4,000-mile border and stepped up inspections of traffic from Canada.
Some American commentators and politicians have accused Canada of having a lax immigration policy and suggested building a fence along the border. But Harper told Parliament on Tuesday most Americans admire Canada for "our shared concern about the security of this continent."
The case has stunned many Canadians, who have not experienced such a major anti-terrorism case since security measures were intensified after the Sept. 11 attacks in the United States.
"It's breathtaking that this is going on in Canada," International Trade Minister David Emerson told the CBC. "To see the homegrown nature of it is shocking to me."
Police say there is no evidence the suspect group had ties to al- Qaida, but describe its members as sympathetic to al-Qaida's violent jihadist ideology. Officials are concerned that many of the 17 suspects are about 20 years old and became radicalized in a short amount of time.
Officials announced the arrests Saturday, saying the sweep was ordered after the group acquired three tons of ammonium nitrate, which can be mixed with fuel oil to make a powerful explosive. One-third that amount was used in the deadly bombing of the Oklahoma City federal building in 1995.
The 12 adult suspects all are charged with one count of participating in a terrorist group.
Three of them _ Fahim Ahmad, 21, Mohammed Dirie, 22, and Yasim Abdi Mohamed, 24 _ also are charged with importing weapons and ammunition for the purpose of terrorist activity.
Nine face charges of receiving training from a terrorist group, while four are charged with providing training. Six are charged with intending to cause an explosion that could cause serious bodily harm or death.
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What do you guys think? Right wing media or actual cause of worry?
we live in a fucked up world now days.
To be honest, all the coverage on this is making it seem like these guys were professionals, yes they had the materials but were probably using a website to assemble it all and learn how to do what. I doubt there is a website out there that tells someone specifically how to storm parliament and behead the prime minister, these guys were amatures, that's why they got caught.
Just like all the other arrests, eh?
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they should be beheaded.
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| Originally posted by Azia they should be beheaded. |
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| Originally posted by Hman beheaded they wont do that , but getting tortured everyday for the rest of ur life is even worse than beheading . |
or behead them 
solitary confinement > execution...let them sit completely alone in a cell for the rest of their lives thinking about what they did (or were planning on doing). i think that's far worse than a quick death, because this is most certainly a slow torture.
while we're on the topic of "terrorism" - have any of you guys seen the internet movie Loose Change? it's about 9/11 and the supposed conspiracy behind it (which i believe completely). It's very well documented without bias...afterall, you can't argue with facts and proof! and many, many of the facts that are presented cannot just be coincidence (ahem...all the insider trading that occurred pre-9/11 and antebellum)...if you're interested, search for it online, or i'll be happy to share it with you 
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| Originally posted by Caela while we're on the topic of "terrorism" - have any of you guys seen the internet movie Loose Change? it's about 9/11 and the supposed conspiracy behind it (which i believe completely). It's very well documented without bias...afterall, you can't argue with facts and proof! and many, many of the facts that are presented cannot just be coincidence (ahem...all the insider trading that occurred pre-9/11 and antebellum)...if you're interested, search for it online, or i'll be happy to share it with you |
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| Originally posted by Hman or behead them |
if the american gov didnt start wars on false pretenses(i didnt know OIL was a weapon of mass destruction)this problem would not exist.I think acts of terrorism are very wrong, but these people are fighting back the only way they can.If the biggest kid in the yard runs around beating everyone up, sonner or later he will get his ass kicked himself
Want to stop terrorism?
Simple, stop invading countries for nothing more then to pilfer natural resources.It isnt about arabs, its about humans.If the united states would have invaded an asian country,asians would most likely also use terrorist acts.What the american and canadian governments are doing, is almost equivalent to the treatment of italians and germans in North america during WW2.Its not as bad as this yet, but the media and gov are setting this up mark my words.In 10 years, North America will be so divided by fear and by race that everything will turn to shit.
And in regards to the conspiracy stuff, yes it could be true, but there are more suspicious things that have happened in the USA's short history, JFK for instance. If it was a conspiracy to fly planes into the world trade center and the pentagon, thats one thing. The fact that there are extremists now who actually do believe what Osama Bin Laden is "preaching" (Whether he is involved in the conspiracy or not) is the threat we should be more worried about, well worried is probably not the best word but... "Concerned". The idealists are always more dangerous than the so-called ring leaders, anyone at the head of anything is a puppet.
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| Originally posted by all-nite-freak if the american gov didnt start wars on false pretenses(i didnt know OIL was a weapon of mass destruction)this problem would not exist.I think acts of terrorism are very wrong, but these people are fighting back the only way they can.If the biggest kid in the yard runs around beating everyone up, sonner or later he will get his ass kicked himself Want to stop terrorism? Simple, stop invading countries for nothing more then to pilfer natural resources.It isnt about arabs, its about humans.If the united states would have invaded an asian country,asians would most likely also use terrorist acts.What the american and canadian governments are doing, is almost equivalent to the treatment of italians and germans in North america during WW2.Its not as bad as this yet, but the media and gov are setting this up mark my words.In 10 years, North America will be so divided by fear and by race that everything will turn to shit. |
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| Want to stop terrorism? Simple, stop invading countries for nothing more then to pilfer natural resources.It isnt about arabs, its about humans. |
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| Originally posted by all-nite-freak Want to stop terrorism? |
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| Originally posted by Alex The idealists are always more dangerous than the so-called ring leaders, anyone at the head of anything is a puppet. |
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| Originally posted by Caela while we're on the topic of "terrorism" - have any of you guys seen the internet movie Loose Change? it's about 9/11 and the supposed conspiracy behind it (which i believe completely). It's very well documented without bias...afterall, you can't argue with facts and proof! and many, many of the facts that are presented cannot just be coincidence (ahem...all the insider trading that occurred pre-9/11 and antebellum)...if you're interested, search for it online, or i'll be happy to share it with you |
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| Originally posted by Marcus007 Al Qaeda originally targeted the US due to their support for Isreal. The attacks started before the US entered Iraq people... don't forget that... |
Time for Canada to remove all religious freedoms from all religions.
Deport immigrants who break any type of law, also applies to any immigrant within the 5 years of getting their canadian citizenship.
I know its extreme, but it must be done.
The world has to see Canada is not a safe haven for "terrorists" anymore.
It will bring more problems among Canadians and probably a 9/11 attack here in Canada.
Time for a safer Canada.
Some of you will dislike what I said.
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| Originally posted by jesteraver Time for Canada to remove all religious freedoms from all religions. Deport immigrants who break any type of law, also applies to any immigrant within the 5 years of getting their canadian citizenship. I know its extreme, but it must be done. The world has to see Canada is not a safe haven for "terrorists" anymore. It will bring more problems among Canadians and probably a 9/11 attack here in Canada. Time for a safer Canada. Some of you will dislike what I said. |
typical zionist how so?
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| Originally posted by jesteraver typical zionist how so? |
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| Originally posted by all-nite-freak i dont know really, i just say this to my jewish buddies usually when i really want to piss them off. |
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| Originally posted by aria_clubber i agree 100% on this man !!! And for sure north america is turning to shit more and more as the time goes by. All they do is divide people by religion/color/race/style/mentality ... forgetting we're all human beings. Terrorism is an act of rebellion, not an act for free violence. It's not in Muslims mentality to do terrorism as alot of people think. You need people like this , that actually do something about what's happening in the world(even if its not the right solution). And the media are hiding the truth and making people live in ignorance thinking : OMG these terrorist are soo bad , they always plot these killings FOR NO FUCKN REASON except that BEING MUSLIM !!! |
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| Originally posted by all-nite-freak maybe you should think why the us supports israel...ie a friendly face near a land rich with oil |
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