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Posted by Spacey Orange on Jun-07-2006 16:26:

is the heterosexual lifestyle a choice?

or not?


Posted by Lira on Jun-07-2006 16:36:

Why exactly wouldn't it be?


Posted by Fir3start3r on Jun-07-2006 17:45:

this sounds like a rhetorical question...


Posted by NeoPhono on Jun-07-2006 18:04:

For reproduction: No.
For fun in the backseat of a Chevy: Yes.


Posted by Marc Summers on Jun-07-2006 18:45:

Heterosexuals are acting on instinct. Homosexuals are the exceptions. Different instincts? I don't know.


Posted by WM2 on Jun-07-2006 19:05:

Isn't just about everything in life a choice? This one just happends to be one more interesting ones. Especially if she's hot.


Posted by josh4 on Jun-07-2006 20:54:

This thread smells like the COR.


Posted by NYCTrancefan on Jun-07-2006 21:57:

From a great majority natural human and animal standpoint being heterosexual is not a choice after all our bodies have developed to be able to produce in such a manner. After all two gay men or two lesbian women no matter the love can never reproduce together which is ultimately what nature is all about whether we realize it and admit it or not, our drive to produce makes us heterosexual by default.

With that stated I also doubt people simply choose to be gay as well, if they really are gay and not some bi or whatever we have today in this world. I say that because I could never imagine myself being gay, that leads me to believe that something deep within the mindset of someone who is homosexual lends them to be that way. Why that is the case is like deciphering the meaning of life, good luck.

There is a reason why the overwhelming majority of human society across all cultures is heterosexual, I guarantee its not a choice they made.


Posted by Aquarian on Jun-07-2006 22:27:

quote:
Originally posted by Marc Summers
Heterosexuals are acting on instinct. Homosexuals are the exceptions. Different instincts? I don't know.


Bullshit, the human sexual script is completely learned, it's not genetically hard-wired like most people seem to think. By default, we're asexual.


Posted by Renegade on Jun-07-2006 22:54:

quote:
Originally posted by Aquarian
Bullshit, the human sexual script is completely learned, it's not genetically hard-wired like most people seem to think. By default, we're asexual.


Do you want a minute to think that all the way through?


Posted by Marc Summers on Jun-07-2006 22:57:

quote:
Originally posted by Aquarian
Bullshit, the human sexual script is completely learned, it's not genetically hard-wired like most people seem to think. By default, we're asexual.


Not at all. Reroduction is an instinct. You can only reproduce with the opposite sex. The brain develops from the inside, and outward(The onion analogy). The primitive reptilian brain in the center is developed first, which gives us basic Survival instincts. First level of survival is the survival of oneself, the second level is the survival of the species, reproduction.


Posted by josh4 on Jun-07-2006 23:09:

quote:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kinsey_scale

Kinsey scale


RatingDescription
0Exclusively heterosexual
1Predominantly heterosexual, only incidentally homosexual
2Predominantly heterosexual, but more than incidentally homosexual
3Equally heterosexual and homosexual
4Predominantly homosexual, but more than incidentally heterosexual
5Predominantly homosexual, only incidentally heterosexual
6Exclusively homosexual

Kinsey reports

Main article: Kinsey Reports
  • Men: 11.6% of white males aged 20-35 were given a rating of 3 for this period of their lives.[1]

  • Women: 7% of single females aged 20-35 and 4% of previously married females aged 20-35 were given a rating of 3 for this period of their lives.[2] 2 to 6% of females, aged 20-35, were given a rating of 5[3] and 1 to 3% of unmarried females aged 20-35 were rated as 6.[4]


Posted by Marc Summers on Jun-07-2006 23:11:

quote:
Originally posted by josh4


I'm curious, what is considered a homosexual incident?


Posted by josh4 on Jun-07-2006 23:12:

quote:
Originally posted by Marc Summers
I'm curious, what is considered a homosexual incident?

fuck if i know, read the reports


Posted by ali92 on Jun-07-2006 23:33:

Re: is the heterosexual lifestyle a choice?

quote:
Originally posted by Spacey Orange
or not?
I think sexual preference originates from a comination of variables and conditions - biological/genetic/natural, social/nurteur (sp?), and randomness/luck.

With that said, it may not still accurately explain the 10 % non-heterosexual (or is that just homosexual) population no matter where you are in the world (it's around 10 % everywhere and the same average world-wide).


Posted by pkcRAISTLIN on Jun-08-2006 00:23:

Re: Re: is the heterosexual lifestyle a choice?

quote:
Originally posted by ali92
I think sexual preference originates from a comination of variables and conditions - biological/genetic/natural, social/nurteur (sp?), and randomness/luck.


dont you think its a pretty weird coincidence that all these vastly different factors combine to make the world 90% hetero though?


Posted by DJ Shibby on Jun-08-2006 16:53:

They say only 1 in 10 people are heterosexual.


Posted by DJ Shibby on Jun-08-2006 16:54:

quote:
Originally posted by Marc Summers
Heterosexuals are acting on instinct. Homosexuals are the exceptions. Different instincts? I don't know.


You mean heterosexuals and homosexuals aren't acting on the same instict?

Sex?


Posted by DJ Shibby on Jun-08-2006 17:01:

quote:
Originally posted by NYCTrancefan
From a great majority natural human and animal standpoint being heterosexual is not a choice after all our bodies have developed to be able to produce in such a manner. After all two gay men or two lesbian women no matter the love can never reproduce together which is ultimately what nature is all about whether we realize it and admit it or not, our drive to produce makes us heterosexual by default.

With that stated I also doubt people simply choose to be gay as well, if they really are gay and not some bi or whatever we have today in this world. I say that because I could never imagine myself being gay, that leads me to believe that something deep within the mindset of someone who is homosexual lends them to be that way. Why that is the case is like deciphering the meaning of life, good luck.

There is a reason why the overwhelming majority of human society across all cultures is heterosexual, I guarantee its not a choice they made.


Is it possible that nature actually drives us NOT to reproduce in many instances, and we do it anyway, thus directly working against optimal evolution?

Interesting food for thought.


Posted by trancaholic on Jun-08-2006 19:25:

I think the answer depends on how you define "homosexual". Is it a practice or a desire? In the former case, then yes, homosexuality is clearly a choice (except for rape), just as sex between man and woman is a choice of the two partners.
In the latter case, I find the matter much more interesting. I think that it is obvious that we cannot choose our desires (although we may be able to choose to combat them). But consider a submissive in a S/M relationship ordered to have sex with a member of its own sex. Even if the submissive is not prone to finding members of its own sex attractive, the fact that it is *ordered* to do this may make the experience desirable. Should we classify such a mindset as "homosexual"? And do the submissive through choosing a humiliating experience also *choose* a homosexual experience? I'm not convinved. Another example would be the exhibitionist which is given the chance to appear in a gay porn movie. The person may not feel attracted to its same-sex on-screen partner, but yet find the setup enthralling due to the cameras. Homosexual? As a choice?
And don't even get me started on the even more extreme blurring of the concept once we consider transexuality, hermaphrodites, and autogynaphilia...


Posted by Marc Summers on Jun-08-2006 20:10:

quote:
Originally posted by DJ Shibby
You mean heterosexuals and homosexuals aren't acting on the same instict?

Sex?


nope


Posted by NeoPhono on Jun-08-2006 22:42:

quote:
Originally posted by Marc Summers
nope


Yeah, I kinda gotta agree with that. Most of the time people might just be looking for sexual gratification, but I do think there is a "mating to reproduce" instinct as well. I'm not sure if homosexuals have a "mate to reproduce" instinct when they're []Insert Euphemism Here[/].


Posted by metalgearsolid on Jun-08-2006 23:21:

I am surprised that no one has mentioned about having a gay sibling. Do any of you have a gay sibling? Do any of you really know a homosexual?

I disagree with all those who say, "they might be looking for sexual gratification," when in fact they were actually born that way.

A person's sexuality does not unable them to be responsible caring parents.


Posted by Psy-T on Jun-09-2006 00:21:

quote:
Originally posted by trancaholic
And don't even get me started on the even more extreme blurring of the concept once we consider transexuality, hermaphrodites, and autogynaphilia...


by all means! i'd love to hear


Posted by Groundhog Boy on Jun-09-2006 01:06:

quote:
Originally posted by metalgearsolid
I am surprised that no one has mentioned about having a gay sibling. Do any of you have a gay sibling? Do any of you really know a homosexual?

I have shared an apartment with one for two years. It's never been an issue. I also have a gay friend from college and my girlfriend has a few gay friends.


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