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Posted by Emperor on Jun-08-2006 05:41:

hardstyle-style kicks..

im not to into hardstyle but im listening to this defqon anthem track and im just wondering if anyone know how they keep those kind of kicks so clean yet reverbed? anytime ive tried to reverb a kick it getsall messy and clicks and all kinds of horrible things.......this sounds VERY reverbed (wet) with a long tail.....yet very clean...any ideas ..im bored

Posted by Dj Cola on Jun-08-2006 06:00:

how long is the tail?
maybe they have a long tail but with a lil amount of real reverb?

gtg to school.

Posted by BOOsTER on Jun-08-2006 06:47:

gated reverb maybe? or compression on the reverb so it makes the tail audible but not so long to make track unclear?

Posted by substorm on Jun-08-2006 09:44:

Two layerd kicks. One dry and one with the effects.

Posted by Four_On_Four-er on Jun-08-2006 17:46:

quote:
Originally posted by substorm
Two layerd kicks. One dry and one with the effects.

Yep... this is probably very true.

Posted by BOOsTER on Jun-08-2006 18:25:

Hi,
what I would find easier is putting your kick fx on a send channel...

then if you send your kick to the send you get a sort of "copy" of your kick which gets "effected"
then you can easily gate/compress/adjust the tail of your reverb :-)

that just came on my mind...hope it helps:-)

Posted by Emperor on Jun-08-2006 18:29:

layering two would not make it clean..im talking about a nice clean reverb...maybe you could layer two and put a highpass on the reverb'ed one or something.....but i dont see how putting two would help......could just highpass the 1 by itself......any new ideas?

Posted by BOOsTER on Jun-08-2006 20:06:

generally I wouldn't want to go in hard sound...but hey...this sounded interesting...I'm not sure if I get right what sound you're after but you might want to check my sample at http://tmp.djbooster.net/verbkick.mp3 tell me if it's it or if it's close ... if it is we can build it into what you need

Posted by Emperor on Jun-08-2006 23:45:

well booster that is what i meant....thats what happens when you reverb a kick.........you hear all the dirtyness after the kick??that doesnt really expetend the kick.....just adds a bunch of dirty sounding 'air' after it.....

Posted by mysticalninja on Jun-09-2006 02:17:

most likely a layred kick.

Posted by Emperor on Jun-09-2006 02:50:

you guys and your 'layered kicks'...haha.......YES most people layer a few kicks to make new ones...if they dont know how to design them from scratch.....im not talking about layers.....im tlaking about ..length...or reverb..

Posted by Emperor on Jun-09-2006 02:51:

listen to the 'anthem' on this page....for the kick drum

Posted by Emperor on Jun-09-2006 02:52:

http://events.q-dance.nl/2006-06_17-juni_defqon1/

Posted by Eldritch on Jun-09-2006 09:47:

Ugh, that was uh, interesting.
Well, first of all I didn't hear any reverb on the kick. It could be these crappy speakers I'm listening to.
What you could do is EQ the reverb itself, remove the higher frequencies. Or just choose/create a kick with a longer tail.

Posted by BOOsTER on Jun-09-2006 10:59:

I think there's no reverb...and what you think is reverb is just that the kick has a longer tail...and also it's a bit "destroyed" by the MP3 quality it is in.

Posted by Emperor on Jun-09-2006 13:58:

hmm maybe there isnt a reverb...when the kick stops it sounds like there is some large majorly distorted bass behind the kick that keeps playing ..or something..?

Posted by david.michael on Jun-09-2006 20:38:

Sounds like a regular-ass kick to me. Are you sure you're not just hearing the bassline...?