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Ridiculous new anti-drug commercials!

Many of you have probably seen the stupid new anti-drug commercials put out by the Bush government saying basicly that anyone buying drugs is helping terrorism...

Well hopefully most of you got as mad as I did when I saw that commercial, and wanted to speak your outrage.. Well here's your chance, a well known website Workingforchange.com has put up a page where you can send Mr Bush an email over this outrage.

There is a lot of things wrong with that commercial, if I had more time I'd write out an essay on all the things that upset me over ridiculous AD campaign..

Anyways, if it bothered you, please take 5 minutes and join the mass emailing campaign currently under way.

Superbowl AD out of Bounds

Yeah those commercials were completely rediculous. Its turning into the Reagan's Just Say No to Drugs shit again in the US. The reason they were completely out of bounds was, YET AGAIN, they failed to discriminate between soft and hard drugs use, and the perpetuate the myth that drug users are BAD people. Society(meaning the US govt especially) needs to learn that people with drug problems need to be treated medically, not imprisoned or in this case - or thrown into the category of terrorist. Plus you know what the best way to keep terrorists from funding campaigns with drug money? Make them legal, or AT LEAST the soft drugs, and tax them. They can be controlled for purity and the money WONT go to terrorists, itll stay in the US. It's rediculous that shit like alcohol and cigarettes are legal, but these substances which are supposedly MUCH worse for you arent. You know why? Because the govt says so. Without the stigmatization and punishment, it wouldnt BE a problem. The war on drugs is completely misguided... late/

I laugh at gov't's commericials........most don't work except health canada's visually disgusting commercials to get ppl to stop smoking. They have worked and same with their labels on cigarette packs. That worked and studies show it has worked. But the usa gov't commercial is laughable, oh well. Sit back and laugh imo.

You wanna know whats sad? They probably have 10 dudes sittin around in a room making more money than they should, thinkin this dumb shit up. Talk about a lame scare tactic, I was working one night and I saw that commericial on TV, and I thought, Holy shit somebody needs to try harder than that, thats just fuckin lame.

Not to mention the very underfunded re-hab programs that are seeing HUGE lineups and turning away desperate drug addicts.. That money spent on these fucking stupid commercials could have been used to fund these desperately under-funded programs for the next year...

BUT WHO CARES about the people who need help, just get this dumb and blind to support Bush's stupid drug-war which has been a HUGE failure for over a decade and that will never be won in the way its approached.

Thanks again to you two who have obviously thought this out, mean you are not part of the media sheep

Cheers!

That advert makes NO sense at all!!! The Gov't wants to make people think that ALL drugs are bad and the people who use them are bad as well. Here's my opinion: Gov't, want to make money? Legalise ALL drugs and TAX the shit out of it!!! It doesn't make sense that something that YOU are taking a health risk using and YOU KNOW it has to be illegal. Look at Alcohol and Cigarettes: They present a health risk (Liver damage, Lung Cancer, etc.), YET they're legal and ADVERTISED! There are drugs that are better on your health than those 2 substances combined and the government says that these are GOOD for you? It would make more sense if the drugs were legal because everyone would be happy-- Users (no more worries about getting caught), Government (they're making more money than ever now!), etc.! Who agrees with me?
Also, what are the drug laws for The Netherlands? Over there, what's legal and what's not? I know Marihuana is legal over there but, what about the other drugs?

"I helped children kill each other today. It was just some harmless fun"

"I helped terrorists fund their operations today. Just some harmless fun!"

This almost makes me want to go out and buy a bag of weed just to send a big fuck you to whoever thought this shit up . Its so silly its nearly comical. How many millions of dollars did the gov't spend to fund these commercials? What about the 20 million spent on superbowl airtime for this shit? How about scratching the propaganda bullshit, and instead giving those millions to a charity, or a rehab center (for people who _really_ need it), or to food to help hungry people... or something, other than wasting money on a stupid message that noone with half a brain is going to pay attention to?

just my $.02

guess what everyone! coffee and tea are also drugs. i bet ya 20 bucks bush is a junkie just like oh i dunno about 2/3s (at least) of north americans

anyways, government ads ARE stupid. a good canadian ad that contains the same amount of stupidity as that bush campaign is the smoking ad. where they have some nerdy guy kicking a cigarette and theres some equally nerdy girl jumping up behind the dude (purpose of that girl still remains a mystery to me after having to see that ad everywhere for over a year)
my point is, these kinds of ads are there for a reason, they were inteded to be stupid. see, a regular ad against smoking or drugs wouldnt make you go 'OMG this ad is soooooo dumb' but these ones do. they are noticible (what the gov't wants), ppl see them and talk about them with their friends eventually talking about smoking and drugs and discussing issues associated with them as well as their effects (what the gov't wants). see, these ads strike discussions like this one, it is them who make us really think not some ad whith a 15 yr olddude going, 'oh, my father used to smoke 2 packs a day, now he's dead'

see my point?

i was waiting for someone to start talking about this.....

First off...i DO NOT LIKE THESE COMMERCIALS....

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.......the commercials do not say EVERYONE buying drugs is helping terrorism..its says that people who buy drugs MAY BE helping terrorism..thats not everyone...and Bush has not be on a drug campaign for 10 years...i dont know where u got that from...

..........Reagan's JUST SAY NO campaign reduced teenage drug use in the 80's by 40% with those 3 little words..how can u say thats "shit"...do u feel that young kids who DO NOT know any better should experiment drugs that are no good for them in the first place??..persoanlly i think if you are an ADULT then u can make that decision but that campaign was aimed at children mainly

...then u said that it implys that all drug users are bad people...well that is not entirely false...the majority of people who use drugs tend to be criminals or degenerates..that is a fact...and drugs have shown OVER AND OVER again that they lead to criminal behavior...NOT all the time...but the majority of time...

.......WHY WOULD THEY tell the difference between hard or soft drug use...it makes NO difference...they are saying if u buy drugs your money MAY fund terrorist behavior...whether u buy weed or crack...

Look u have to understand that these commercials are geared towards children....i dont agree with the approach but if they make just 1 kid not try crack then they are well worth the time and effort....

drugs should not be legal...and u CAN NOT compare the effects of Crack, Coke, PCP, Dust, Shrooms, Crank, or Acid to the effects of cigarrettes...those drugs are mind altering garbage that in most cases lead to violence, crime, and/or poverty....they are no good and to make them legal would do absolutley nothing but cause more problems....

I can see that marijuana could be lagal but not those other drugs...maybe u guys should go visit the hospital and take a look at a crack baby or go to a psyc-ward and visit all the people who took mind-altering drugs that can no-longer function in our world cus they are far gone...or maybe u should go to crime scene where people are beaten or murdered for drugs...then u might have a glimpse of what drugs do....or maybe u need to grow older and have YOUR own children try drugs and then u can visit them at the morge when or if they OD..and u can identify there body.,..then tell me drugs should be legal......saying drugs (besides weed) should be legal is an ignorant and obscene statement....seriosuly think about what u are saying....

Being from the UK I havn't seen these commercials. However worryingly they are working to some degree, because I've had people use the terrorism argument against me.

ps. I posted a trip report on your site Thor. Hope I did it right

Firstly let me say that some of you have read my drug rants before, I just want those people to know that its people like this that make any FAIR/OPEN drug discussion impossible. The ignorant statements made by Tiesto14 (must be 14yrs old) are outrageous and most importantly quite ill informed... Saying all drug users resort to crime is just like me calling all black people stupid or criminals....

Ignorance is society's most dangerous enemy, especially when it comes to the absolute disgrace that is the drug war. Countless millions being wasted on a war that would make Vietnam look like a smart idea.

Drug use continues all over the world to be steady, the only thing the drug war has done is make drugs more expensive and make the cartels MUCH wealthier... There are solutions to the drug war, the best on is to remove the cartels by controlling all illegal drugs, and bringing in medical help to dangerous drugs like crack, opium, heroin, etc... But most importantly legalizing a drug like Marijuana that is no worse than Alcohol. Police all over America waste their resources on weed, filling up prisons with non-violent people who like to smoke a joint!

This post has upset me, its not often I see such BS posted by anyone... Thanks Tiesto14, you make me appreciate running my website to help fight against ignorance that people like you spout.

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First off...i DO NOT LIKE THESE COMMERCIALS.... BUT... .......the commercials do not say EVERYONE buying drugs is helping terrorism..its says that people who buy drugs MAY BE helping terrorism..thats not everyone...and Bush has not be on a drug campaign for 10 years...i dont know where u got that from...

Wow, you have so much to learn. Listen how much do you really know about the drug war? There are hundreds of Police Chiefs in the USA that met almost a year ago to discuss matters of concern. They overwhelmingly said that the drug war is a joke and that new ideas and approaches to the problem were needed. Look at Amsterdam for example, they are not perfect, but compared to the USA its like brilliant and dummer..

Bush has had input on the drug war for a LONG time, his father and his family have been seriously involved with drug policy in the USA for over a decade.

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..........Reagan's JUST SAY NO campaign reduced teenage drug use in the 80's by 40% with those 3 little words..how can u say thats "shit"...do u feel that young kids who DO NOT know any better should experiment drugs that are no good for them in the first place??..persoanlly i think if you are an ADULT then u can make that decision but that campaign was aimed at children mainly

Hmm, I support any campaign that speaks HONESTLY about drugs and keeps underage people from DRUGS, ALCOHOL, DRIVING... There is a time for people to handle the responsibility of certain things. But what you neglect to mention is that 'just say no' has no direct meaning. Its a useless blurb like Nike's JUST DO IT campaign. If you want to educate the world with stupid catch frases, please do so, but it teaches people NOTHING.

I believe in honesty, truth, knowladge, and letting people make their own decisions when they are old enough.

By the way where did you get that silly 40% number that you quoted, I want an exact source for that, because its just not true.

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...then u said that it implys that all drug users are bad people...well that is not entirely false...the majority of people who use drugs tend to be criminals or degenerates..that is a fact...and drugs have shown OVER AND OVER again that they lead to criminal behavior...NOT all the time...but the majority of time...

Wow, its rare that I see such utter ignorance, this statement sounds like 'all blacks are criminals'... You can't even imagine how insulting that statement is! I've done drugs for quite some time now, and I used to be a anti drug proponent. I've been on both sides, now I own a website dedicated to a drug that has been used for THOUSANDS of years to enlighten people.

Your ignorance in this statement only tells me that you have been brainwashed by the mass media and haven't spend 2 minutes to read anything about de-crimininalization movements, etc... You know nothing about drugs if you think all drug users are criminals. Hell in my city most of my friends use Marijuana occasionally, some use E once in a while, and yes many use mushrooms... Most of my friends are degree holders, own houses, some have families.. NONE of them have ever been involved in a crime, NONE..

Your statement is ignorant and I am ashamed to read this in a Trance forum considering most Trance fans are quite into love and respect. You show ZERO respect and make HUGE judgements over a segment of people that represents people from all over the world in all of societies classes.

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.......WHY WOULD THEY tell the difference between hard or soft drug use...it makes NO difference...they are saying if u buy drugs your money MAY fund terrorist behavior...whether u buy weed or crack...

It makes a HUGE difference! Listen you dumbass, you've obviously read nothing about the drug war, did you know the US government FUNDED the TALIBAN with 40 million US dollars to wipe out the opium trade in their country. The TALIBAN used that money to fund TERRORISM, this is FACT smart boy.... The US government is the drug CARTELS best friend, why?? Because if drugs weren't illegal and were rather approached with more intelligent means, the CARTELS would lose the vast fortunes they have, and crime would decrease dramaticly.

Did you know well over 40% over imprissoned inmates are in on Marijuana charges! I mean you drink Alcohol and you think people who use MJ are somehow worse than you?!

The US government is the BIGGEST supporter of the illegal drug trade, this is why that commercial is so unbelievably upsetting... The marijuana in this continent is locally grown, has nothing to do with terrorism. Some drugs have their roots in crime organizations, but they only exist because of STUPID American drug policy.

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Look u have to understand that these commercials are geared towards children....i dont agree with the approach but if they make just 1 kid not try crack then they are well worth the time and effort....

These commercials are geared towards ALL who watch it, no person is excempt. EDUCATION stops people from making stupid choices like trying crack... I've never done crack, NEVER will, but I use other illegal drugs that I like, MJ, Mushrooms, MDMA... I made all those choices based on what I read, and I know for a fact that mushrooms/MJ are damn fucking safe.

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drugs should not be legal...and u CAN NOT compare the effects of Crack, Coke, PCP, Dust, Shrooms, Crank, or Acid to the effects of cigarrettes...those drugs are mind altering garbage that in most cases lead to violence, crime, and/or poverty....they are no good and to make them legal would do absolutley nothing but cause more problems....

The only difference is the government tells you what to be addicted to... Nicotine is one of mankinds most addictive substances, yet its legal. Alcohol kills so many people, ruins lives, yet we don't ban it because the VAST majority of alcohol users use it responsibly and without any addiction problems... Same can be said for many drugs, and I mean in regards to things like Weed, Mushrooms, Mdma, etc.... Cocaine is even something that can be used without ruining your life, but I'd recommend not messing with it. When you say illegal drugs there are vast differences between marijuana and crack... Its like comparing a hand gun to a nuclear warhead...

Amsterdam has the best drug laws in this world, and they have MUCH less crime, MUCH less drug problems thant the USA does... If you want to see the opposite approach to the USA, look at Amsterdam, they approach drugs with a 'medical' view, the USA looks at it with an archaic LOCK EM UP approach... One works, one is a dismal failure that many police chiefs feel is a joke.

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I can see that marijuana could be lagal but not those other drugs...maybe u guys should go visit the hospital and take a look at a crack baby or go to a psyc-ward and visit all the people who took mind-altering drugs that can no-longer function in our world cus they are far gone...or maybe u should go to crime scene where people are beaten or murdered for drugs...then u might have a glimpse of what drugs do....or maybe u need to grow older and have YOUR own children try drugs and then u can visit them at the morge when or if they OD..and u can identify there body.,..then tell me drugs should be legal......saying drugs (besides weed) should be legal is an ignorant and obscene statement....seriosuly think about what u are saying....

Wow, mind altering drugs that make people crazy? How many stupid drug myths do you know?? Does cat piss make you high? OK DUMBASS, psychadelics can only be dangerous to people who have psychological problems.. This is science fact, healthy people can use these drugs and be totally fine.. The dangers of mushrooms/lsd are pale in comparison to alcohol/nicotine...

It seems you have done ZERO reading, you just spout bullshit that you hear on TV and stupid commercials.. I do read, I learn, and then I speak my mind on this shit, but obviously you are just an ignorant anti-drug moron who thinks he's so smart.

hehe

THOR....

....first of all who the hell are you to call me ignorant...dont be rude...people who have to resort to insults are ignorant...

NOW...

I NEVER said ALL drug users resort to crime.,.i said in MANY cases drugs tend to lead to crime...maybe u should read more carefully...and if u doubt then u are very much not informed on todays society....

and AGAIN maybe if u read u would see that i said MAYBE marijuana should be legal...shit and u call me ignoranrt..u cant even quote me correctly

i dont have a site or some bullshit to back up the 40% sorry ...but comparing Nike to JUST SAY NO is nonsense....that phrase like i said is geared towards children not adults...and saying JUST SAY NO is a cute litle catch phrase that helped children understand that they dont have to fall victom to peer pressure and the sorts....how could u be against something that TRYS and helps kids not
to use drugs...what the fuck is wrong with you !!!!!


I AM FUCKING SORRY I DONT BELEIVE DRUGS SHOULD BE LEGAL....AND I DO NOT APPRECIATE YOUR FUCKING ABUSE ....I HAVE SEEN 2 FRIENDS DIE OF DRUGS...1 FROM "E" AND THE OTHER FROM ACID THAT MADE HIM JUMP OUT OF A FUCKING WINDOW TO HIS DEATH, WHICH I WAS THERE TO WITNESS HIS FUCKING BODY BUST OPEN...DONT U EVER FUCKING TELL ME I DONT KNOW WHAT DRUGS DO...WHY DONT U GO TELL MY FRIENDS MOTHER THAT HE WAS INSANE TO BEGIN WITH AND THATS WHY HE WENT NUTS...OR MAYBE U SHOULD HAVE BEEN THERE TO SEE HIS FUCKING INTESTINES ON THE SIDEWALK AND THEN U COULD SEE THE PAIN THAT DRUGS HAVE CAUSED IN MY LIFE....HOW FUCKING DARE U ATTACK ME WITH YOUR RETORICT...U HAVE SOME FUCKING NERVE TO ATTACK ME SIMPLY BECAUSE U ARE PRO-DRUGS...AND I AM NOT...

AND YOU ARE ASHAMED OF MY POST ON A TARNCE BOARD WELL FUCK YOU...I FEEL I HAVE ESTABLISHED A GOOD REP HERE...BUT WITH THE SHIT YOUR GIVING ME MAYBE I AM WRONG...

I NEVER SAID ALL DRUG USE LEADS TO CRIME I SAID THE VAST MAJORITY DOES...I LIVE IN NYC AND SEE SHIT EVERYDAY...MAYBE U DONT....

YOU ARE AN ARROGANT LITTLE FUCK AND I REFUSE TO GET INTO A CHALLENGING CONVERSATION WITH SOMEONE WHO CONDONES THE LEGALIZATION OF DRUGS THINKING IT WILL HELP THE SITUATION...MAYBE WE SHOULD LEGALIZE MURDER AND RAPE TO REDUCE THOSE PROBLEMS....THIS IS BULLSHIT...

Very heroic of you to 'wish I would over dose' in private messages' shows what a classy character you are.. I would NEVER wish death to anyone I disagreed with, guess that shows how you are an opinionated guy who can't handle someone that shows the error of his ignorant statements.. If you can't handle arguments, don't call the vast majority of responsible drug users criminals..

And another favor, LEARN before you speak shit you obviously know NOTHING about

To show you what class I have, I wish you no harm whatsoever, I hope you live a long and happy/healthy live... I will however not do what you wish and never overdose, because last time I checked smoking pot a few times a year, and taking mushrooms a few times a year will not kill me

In fact magic mushrooms are quite safe

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....first of all who the hell are you to call me ignorant...dont be rude...people who have to resort to insults are ignorant...

Hmmm, here's a quote from what you said, to anyone who uses drug its nothing but ignorance, since anyone who's educated themselves on drug use knows this is total bullshit.

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quote by tiesto14the majority of people who use drugs tend to be criminals or degenerates..that is a fact...and drugs have shown OVER AND OVER again that they lead to criminal behavior...NOT all the time...but the majority of time...

Read above, thats VERY ignorant, don't try to deny that simple fact.

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NOW... I NEVER said ALL drug users resort to crime.,.i said in MANY cases drugs tend to lead to crime...maybe u should read more carefully...and if u doubt then u are very much not informed on todays society....

You said the MAJORITY, which is TOTALLY false. I read SHITLOADS of things about drugs in the media, criminal cases, etc... Its something I am interested in, but of course you must know so much more than me since you spout such numbers and statements without ANY backing to your bullshit.

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and AGAIN maybe if u read u would see that i said MAYBE marijuana should be legal...shit and u call me ignoranrt..u cant even quote me correctly

Yes I call you ignorant, read your above quote ONCE AGAIN. Just because you thing MJ should be MAYBE legalized covers up for your fucking ignorant statement about the majority of drug users resorting to crime.. Pfft, stand by your words, if you can't handle the truth coming back at you, don't waste your ignorance on informed people.

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i dont have a site or some bullshit to back up the 40% sorry ...but comparing Nike to JUST SAY NO is nonsense....that phrase like i said is geared towards children not adults...and saying JUST SAY NO is a cute litle catch phrase that helped children understand that they dont have to fall victom to peer pressure and the sorts....how could u be against something that TRYS and helps kids not to use drugs...what the fuck is wrong with you !!!!!

Yeah because the 40% is total and utter BULLSHIT. I know that the numbers are in the range of 5-10% decrease in certain drug use, however many drugs remain quite constant in the last decade. CUTE CATCH FRASES ARE USELESS.. WHY NOT TEACH PEOPLE FACTS INSTEAD OF TELLING THEM NOT TO DO IT.... Your parents told you not to drink, did you try drinking like most people, probably yes... Instead of TELLING PEOPLE WHAT TO THINK, why not EDUCATE THEM?

My probem, the "what the fuck is wrong with me" is that you are calling the vast majority of RESPONSIBLE drug users criminals and saying that instead of TRUTH/EDUCATION that we instead teach kids CATCH FRASES... So I'm an ASS for wanting EDUCATION, while you want to spout stupid SLOGANS.. Get a job for PEPSI, your dying for it, I just know it....

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I AM FUCKING SORRY I DONT BELEIVE DRUGS SHOULD BE LEGAL....AND I DO NOT APPRECIATE YOUR FUCKING ABUSE ....I HAVE SEEN 2 FRIENDS DIE OF DRUGS...1 FROM "E" AND THE OTHER FROM ACID THAT MADE HIM JUMP OUT OF A FUCKING WINDOW TO HIS DEATH, WHICH I WAS THERE TO WITNESS HIS FUCKING BODY BUST OPEN...DONT U EVER FUCKING TELL ME I DONT KNOW WHAT DRUGS DO...WHY DONT U GO TELL MY FRIENDS MOTHER THAT HE WAS INSANE TO BEGIN WITH AND THATS WHY HE WENT NUTS...OR MAYBE U SHOULD HAVE BEEN THERE TO SEE HIS FUCKING INTESTINES ON THE SIDEWALK AND THEN U COULD SEE THE PAIN THAT DRUGS HAVE CAUSED IN MY LIFE....HOW FUCKING DARE U ATTACK ME WITH YOUR RETORICT...U HAVE SOME FUCKING NERVE TO ATTACK ME SIMPLY BECAUSE U ARE PRO-DRUGS...AND I AM NOT...

I didn't say legal, "de-criminalization" like the experts who deal with drugs; Police Chiefs are recommending in the USA. But what do they know, you heard a commercial that said "JUST SAY NO TO DRUGS", so obviously your an expert!

I've seen friends die from car accidents, boating accidents, etc.. We should definately ban cars, and also not allow people to go on lakes and rivers... I KNOW what drugs do, one fucking guy kills himself on ACID and everyone else who uses it safely should not be able to use it? Then nobody in this world should use alcohol, or drive cars. I had a friend die in a car accident this year, the 3rd close friend that I know who died in a fucking car accident.. Should we stop the 99% of drivers who don't die from driving, since my friend died...

Use your fucking brain. Sorry for you friends, I sincerely mean that, but its still not logical, your just using passion instead of logic.

I AM NOT PRO-DRUGS, I am PRO EDUCATION.. One thing you seem to not understand, I have a website that is there to help stop the dangerous spread of dis-information, unlike you who believe in all propoganda on drugs, I actually LEARN about it...

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AND YOU ARE ASHAMED OF MY POST ON A TARNCE BOARD WELL FUCK YOU...I FEEL I HAVE ESTABLISHED A GOOD REP HERE...BUT WITH THE SHIT YOUR GIVING ME MAYBE I AM WRONG... I NEVER SAID ALL DRUG USE LEADS TO CRIME I SAID THE VAST MAJORITY DOES...I LIVE IN NYC AND SEE SHIT EVERYDAY...MAYBE U DONT....

Drugs like crack, heroin lead to crime.. But the VAST MAJORITY of illegal drug users are 'soft drug' users.. Marijuana doesn't lead to crime, yet thats the overwhelmingly popular drug of choice...

I don't care about REP, you may be a good guy, but your ingorant statements DESERVED my response.. If you can say what you did, I have EVERY right to set you in your place for that unbelievably ignorant shit...

I know people from all over the world, I know more about illegal drugs than the vast majority of people, I know that the shit you are saying is not based on FACT, but based on what you think is real.. Well I'm here to tell you that you are DEAD WRONG.

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YOU ARE AN ARROGANT LITTLE FUCK AND I REFUSE TO GET INTO A CHALLENGING CONVERSATION WITH SOMEONE WHO CONDONES THE LEGALIZATION OF DRUGS THINKING IT WILL HELP THE SITUATION...MAYBE WE SHOULD LEGALIZE MURDER AND RAPE TO REDUCE THOSE PROBLEMS....THIS IS BULLSHIT...

Arrogant? Why because I know something about drugs and you DONT? You don't like your ideas challenged? Well why then bother to share these stupid remarks? I know more about de-criminalization, and other solutions to the drug war... There are countless people who support the end of the drug war, from law enforcement, politicians, and even religious icons.. YES some people LOOK at the problem and think of solutions, instead of promoting a policy that has been an FUCKING JOKE OF A FAILURE FOR OVER A DECADE.. The drug war is pointless, and there are MANY solutions, but you wouldn't know since you are too damn afraid to consider other ideas...

I'm glad you compared legalizing RAPE/MURDER to legalizing drugs, considering its one of the dumbest statements I've ever read.. If you don't know why I'm laughing when I read this, you really need to think about what you just said...

I'm glad I upset you, know you have a clue to why what you said is so damn insulting and totally out of line....

Good day sir, read before you speak next time...

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Originally posted by nrjizer "I helped children kill each other today. It was just some harmless fun" "I helped terrorists fund their operations today. Just some harmless fun!"

i guess these are lines from the commercial...well maybe the USA (or any other country) shall stop exporting weapons....

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Originally posted by nrjizer "I helped children kill each other today. It was just some harmless fun" "I helped terrorists fund their operations today. Just some harmless fun!"

if i had the chance to those guys who made this commercial i surely would!

Thor......
.......your last PM to me seemed to be pretty good but then i come in here and i see that u insisted on ranting and raving how your ways are superoir and that i am some kind of moron...

SO.....why dont u answer these questions for me...

1. What would the world benefit if drugs where legal or decriminalized?

2. How would we handle the SURPRISING increase of drug addicts that WOULD occur if this was to happen..because if they where legal more peoplle would have access to them and would experiment with drugs they have not tryed before due to laws?

3. What would be the age limit for kids to try them?..do we allow a 16 year old girl who thinks Britney Spears is an icon to try any drug she desires?


legalizing drugs would accomplish nothing....it would instead develop new relationships for people to drugs that may have been scared to try before cus they where illegal....we would have a tremendous increase in drug addiction which we can barely handle now...

YOU WANT FACTS...WELL HERE YOU GO

This is from U.S. Justice Bureau of Statistics...

In 1998 an estimated 61,000 convicted jail inmates said they had committed their offense to get money for drugs. Of convicted property and drug offenders, about 1 in 4 had committed their crimes to get money for drugs. A higher percentage of drug offenders in 1996 (24%) than in 1989 (14%) were in jail for a crime committed to raise money for drugs.

The Uniform Crime Reporting Program (UCR) of the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) reported that in 1999, 4.5% of the 12,658 homicides in which circumstances were known were narcotics related. Murders that occurred specifically during a narcotics felony, such as drug trafficking or manufacturing, are considered drug related.

In the 1997 Survey of Inmates in State and Federal Correctional Facilities, 33% of State prisoners and 22% of Federal prisoners said they had committed their current offense while under the influence of drugs. Drug offenders (42%) and property offenders (37%) reported the highest incidence of drug use at the time of the offense.
About 60% of mentally ill and 51% of other inmates in State prison were under the influence of alcohol or drugs at the time of their current offense.

Abused State inmates were more likely than those reporting no abuse to have been using illegal drugs at the time of their offense. This pattern occurred especially among female inmates. Forty-six percent of the abused women committed their current offense under the influence of illegal drugs. Among women who were not abused, 32% committed their offense while on drugs.

A third of the parents in State prison reported committing their current offense while under the influence of drugs. Parents were most likely to report the influence of cocaine-based drugs (16%) and marijuana (15%) while committing their crime. About equal percentages of parents in State prison reported the use of opiates (6%) and stimulates (5%) at the time of their offense, while 2% used depressants or hallucinogens.
Thirty-two percent of mothers in State prison reported committing their crime to get drugs or money for drugs, compared to 19% of fathers.

In 1998 an estimated 138,000 convicted jail inmates (36%) were under the influence of drugs at the time of the offense.
In 1996, those jail inmates convicted of drug trafficking (60%), drug possession (57%), fraud (45%), or robbery (44%) were most likely to have reported to be using drugs at the time of the offense.

Of those inmates held in local jails, only convicted offenders were asked if they had used drugs in the time leading up to their current offense. In 1996, 55% of convicted jail inmates reported they had used illegal drugs during the month before their offense, up from 44% in 1989. Use of marijuana in the month before the offense increased from 28% to 37% and of stimulants from 5% to 10%. Reported cocaine or crack use was stable at about 24%.

Half of inmates in both 1989 and 1996 reported trying cocaine. Overall, 82% of all jail inmates in 1996 said they had ever used an illegal drug, up from 78% in 1989. A higher percentage of jail inmates in 1996 than in 1989 reported ever using for every other type of drug:

marijuana rose from 71% to 78%;
stimulants (amphetamine and methamphetamine) from 22% to 34%;
hallucinogens, including LSD and PCP, from 24% to 32%;
depressants, including Quaalude, barbiturates, and tranquilizers without a doctor's prescription, from 21% to 30%; and
heroin or other opiates from 19% to 24%.

Domestic disputes were also one of the most commonly reported experiences associated with drug use:

In the 1997 Survey of Inmates in State and Federal Correctional Facilities, over 570,000 of the Nation's prisoners (51%) reported the use of alcohol or drugs while committing their offense.

In 1991, 60% of Federal prisoners reported prior drug use, compared to 79% of State prisoners. In 1997 this gap in prior drug use was narrowed, as the percentage of Federal inmates reporting past drug use rose to 73%, compared to 83% of State inmates. This increase was mostly due to a rise in the percentage of Federal prisoners reporting prior use of marijuana (from 53% in 1991 to 65% in 1997) and cocaine-based drugs (from 37% in 1991 to 45% in 1997).


In May 1999 the Office of Community Policing Services and the Bureau of Justice Statistics published a joint report on criminal victimization and citizen perception of 12 cities across the United States: Chicago, IL; Kansas City, MO; Knoxville, TN; Los Angeles, CA; Madison, WI; New York, NY; San Diego, CA; Savannah, GA; Spokane, WA; Springfield, MA; Tucson, AZ; and Washington, DC. Residents of these 12 cities were asked various questions about community attitudes, citizen actions to prevent neighborhood crime and attitudes toward the police and community policing.

Residents who said they were aware of serious crimes in their neighborhood were asked to identify the types of serious crimes that had occurred in their neighborhood over the past 12 months. Of all residents who identified serious crimes, people openly selling drugs (16%) and people openly using drugs (14%) were among the types of crimes that had occurred in their neighborhood.
Residents were also asked about various activities which may have been present in their neighborhood. They frequently said that illegal public drinking and/or drug use (29%) and public drug sales (24%) were among the activities that existed in their neighborhood.
Residents who identified a neighborhood condition or activity were asked if any of these condition or activities made them feel less safe in their neighborhood and, if so, which one impacted their feeling of safety the most. Between 17% and 36% of all the residents in each city said the conditions or activities made them feel less safe. Across the cities, public drinking/drug use (15%) and drug sales (17%) were among the conditions that affected residents' sense of safety.

Drug use among teens, and even younger children, has been steadily increasing for the past several years. According to the 1998 National Center on Addiction and Substance Abuse survey, teen marijuana use is up almost 300 percent since 1992. In 1999, 55 percent of high school seniors reported having used an illicit drug, while just seven years ago, only 41 percent said they had, according to the Monitoring the Future Study. Between 1991 and 1999, illicit drug use among younger children, 13 and 14 year-olds, increased by 51 percent, from 18.7 percent to 28.3 percent.

There is another disturbing trend in the attitude many kids have towards illegal drugs. According to a Partnership for a Drug-Free America survey, kids today are far more naive about the dangers of drugs than they were at the beginning of the decade. For example, the survey found that 72 percent of teenagers in 1990 viewed marijuana as harmful. Last year, that number dropped to 54 percent. When young people think drugs are harmless, drug use increases dramatically. This correlation is clearly illustrated by the recent rise in marijuana use.

While most Americans are aware that drug use in the United States is becoming more prevalent among our younger citizens, many do not realize the profound impact that this drug epidemic has on the country as a whole. Widespread drug use results in a less efficient, less productive workforce. According to a Substance Abuse and Mental Health Services Administration survey, employees who test positive for drug use make more than twice as many workers' compensation claims, use almost twice the medical benefits, and take one-third more leave time as non-users. They are also 60 percent more likely to be responsible for accidents. The Office of National Drug Control Policy (ONDCP) estimates that the monetary cost of illegal drug use to society is $110 billion a year.

In addition, drug-related violence and crime pose a grave, and much more direct threat to the United States. According to the 1999 Arrestee Drug Abuse Monitoring Program, 75 percent of the male adults arrested in New York City for committing a violent crime tested positive for drug use. The report also showed that in smaller cities like Albuquerque, New Mexico, and Ft. Lauderdale, Florida, these figures ranged as high as 64 percent.


The drug epidemic is also taking a toll on the very core of American society - the family. According to the ONDCP's 1998 National Drug Control Strategy, drug use causes violence and abuse within families:



One-quarter to one-half of all incidents of domestic violence are drug-related.


A survey of state child welfare agencies found substance abuse to be one of the key problems exhibited by 81 percent of the families reported for child maltreatment.


3.2 percent of pregnant women - nearly 80,000 mothers - used drugs regularly.
These statistics, while alarming, reflect only the physical effects of drug abuse, and therefore, show only a small portion of the suffering endured by American families as a result of drugs. Emotional abuse, as well as financial strain on families, are other unfortunate symptoms of drug abuse.


WOW thats amazing....i thought drugs DONT lead to crime....shit i am sorry...you where right....

War against Drugs is Useless..

All I can say is that the war on drugs is going nowhere, prohibition only opens up black market and induces skyrocketing prices. Just like the prohibition of alcohol donkey years back...

One thing Bush could do is to legalize drugs in certain areas (like Australia), see a pattern of mild migration, a drop in drug prices worldwide, and force whoever, be it the terrorists or Cartels, out of business...simple laws to pass....but who has the guts to...not any US Presidents for a long time to come...

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Originally posted by tiesto14 Thor...... .......your last PM to me seemed to be pretty good but then i come in here and i see that u insisted on ranting and raving how your ways are superoir and that i am some kind of moron... SO.....why dont u answer these questions for me... 1. What would the world benefit if drugs where legal or decriminalized? 2. How would we handle the SURPRISING increase of drug addicts that WOULD occur if this was to happen..because if they where legal more peoplle would have access to them and would experiment with drugs they have not tryed before due to laws? 3. What would be the age limit for kids to try them?..do we allow a 16 year old girl who thinks Britney Spears is an icon to try any drug she desires? legalizing drugs would accomplish nothing....it would instead develop new relationships for people to drugs that may have been scared to try before cus they where illegal....we would have a tremendous increase in drug addiction which we can barely handle now...

ill take a crack at these, even tho i KNOW thor will have the last word...

1)speaking from the US's standpoint decriminalization would benefit society simply thru acknowledging the fact we cant BEAT drugs. they have existed as long as man, and we cant keep man from doing them. soft drugs could be taxed, quality could be assured, rehab programs could be easily available and finally the stigmatization problem in the US could be adressed.

2)would this be a SURPRISING increase, or just an acknowledgement of what we currently TRY to ignore? sure some people that had no access to drugs before may choose to begin using them, but wouldnt those people using drugs BECAUSE they are illegal and 'cool' slow down or stop? its pretty rediculous to believe that in this day and age a large number or 'scared' people as you put it cannot get drugs. throughout a lifetime most people encounter drugs and are only scared because of ignorance. a decrim of drugs MAY create wider access, but also a greater social knowledge and understanding...which i feel would compensate for all those ignorant drugs users out there today (which seems to be a large %).

3)age limit...huh. seems to me that age limits are sometimes stupid too. of course they are to protect the kids, but look at Europe. there isnt a specific drinking age in some countries, and in others there may be, but with an easier access to booze than America. now do THEY have MORE alcoholism or not? thats debateable, but i doubt it. regardless of age limits we need to bring up our own kids and form societies where knowledge and safety is key, not ignorance and measures to deny people things, making them only want them more.

addiction in many studies has been shown to be genetic or a product of your surroundings socially. im not at all convinced that decriminalizing drugs would change this much. hard core addicts can get ANYTHING they want at ANYTIME. making drugs safer, education more prevalent and rehab easier to get could only help.

as for your justice bureau stats, remember these are derived from the ever present 'War on Drugs' so take them with a grain of salt and realize who is 'feeding' them to you...mmm how bout them drugs! late/

YA that right the Dept of Justice is trying to fool us ALL on the facts that drugs ;lead to crimes....YOUR RIGHT ITS 1 BIG CONSPIRICY TO TRICK THE PUBLIC....LOL...thats riduclous...

making drugs legal would accomplish nothing....sorry but why make something like drugs legal , that is a cop out...so what your saying is since we havnet been so successful on stopping drug use and abuse that we should make it legal....thats absurd....we would be quiting....

I jus dont understand why drugs are that important to people...when studies and statistics have shown that they cause harm, crime and death....

i mean seriously what the fuck is so great about shooting heroin and smoking crack....are these temporary highs so good that we should make them legal for all people to try freeley...

you would have more people trying drugs if they where legal...THATS A FACT...then you would have more abuse and more addiction and more people committing cries to feed their DISGUSTING habits purely for a high.....

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Originally posted by tiesto14 YA that right the Dept of Justice is trying to fool us ALL on the facts that drugs ;lead to crimes....YOUR RIGHT ITS 1 BIG CONSPIRICY TO TRICK THE PUBLIC....LOL...thats riduclous... making drugs legal would accomplish nothing....sorry but why make something like drugs legal , that is a cop out...so what your saying is since we havnet been so successful on stopping drug use and abuse that we should make it legal....thats absurd....we would be quiting.... I jus dont understand why drugs are that important to people...when studies and statistics have shown that they cause harm, crime and death.... i mean seriously what the fuck is so great about shooting heroin and smoking crack....are these temporary highs so good that we should make them legal for all people to try freeley... you would have more people trying drugs if they where legal...THATS A FACT...then you would have more abuse and more addiction and more people committing cries to feed their DISGUSTING habits purely for a high.....

you are telling me that there will be a point in time where NO ONE on the planet does drugs cause they are bad for you? you are still confusing LEGAL with DECRIMINALIZATION tho. free legality and not treating people like felons for having some pot are 2 different things. i know Thor is better in this area than i am tho...

in most of my cases im NOT referring to the hard drugs like coke and heroin - sure thats a large part of the drug war, but what about prescription narcotics that are just as dangerous and addictive, but since someone can forge a slip of paper it's socially acceptable? frankly i dont think the idea that these specific drugs are dangerous will disappear with a decriminalization. actually the safety could be monitored in many cases (as with prescription drugs). its like drinking paint thinner. you KNOW its dangerous and you shouldnt do it, some 4 yr old MIGHT, but in general the average person wont do it. sure there prolly isnt a HIGH with thinner, but people learn to avoid it cause its dangerous, and i fail to see how the same knowledge wont be applied to the harder drugs as well...late/

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Originally posted by biznology you are telling me that there will be a point in time where NO ONE on the planet does drugs cause they are bad for you? you are still confusing LEGAL with DECRIMINALIZATION tho. free legality and not treating people like felons for having some pot are 2 different things. i know Thor is better in this area than i am tho... in most of my cases im NOT referring to the hard drugs like coke and heroin - sure thats a large part of the drug war, but what about prescription narcotics that are just as dangerous and addictive, but since someone can forge a slip of paper it's socially acceptable? frankly i dont think the idea that these specific drugs are dangerous will disappear with a decriminalization. actually the safety could be monitored in many cases (as with prescription drugs). its like drinking paint thinner. you KNOW its dangerous and you shouldnt do it, some 4 yr old MIGHT, but in general the average person wont do it. sure there prolly isnt a HIGH with thinner, but people learn to avoid it cause its dangerous, and i fail to see how the same knowledge wont be applied to the harder drugs as well...late/

NO there will never be a time when NOONE will use drugs cus they are bad for you...that is an impossiblity...

If people would read my posts CARFULLY they would see that i stated that marijuana may be legal....i dotn feel it is any worse then alcohol...in fact it causes less harm....when i talk about drugs i am meaning the hard ones .

Prescription drugs are approved by the FDA and are deemed safe if taken for medicinal purposes in moderation and under strict care of physicians...they are not handed out to whoever wants them....they are used to treat ailments or other disorders...

I feel that using the drug EXCTASY for treatment has GREAT benefits but i dont feel it should be able to be bought at the corner store

That paint thinner thing was riduclous...people dont drink it cus it will kill you..end of story...not cus they can get high and maybe die...it is a fact that if u drink paint thinner u are going to die...drugs are different...people take them to get high and MAY or MAY NOT die from the effects...that depends..

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Originally posted by tiesto14 NO there will never be a time when NOONE will use drugs cus they are bad for you...that is an impossiblity... If people would read my posts CARFULLY they would see that i stated that marijuana may be legal....i dotn feel it is any worse then alcohol...in fact it causes less harm....when i talk about drugs i am meaning the hard ones . Prescription drugs are approved by the FDA and are deemed safe if taken for medicinal purposes in moderation and under strict care of physicians...they are not handed out to whoever wants them....they are used to treat ailments or other disorders... I feel that using the drug EXCTASY for treatment has GREAT benefits but i dont feel it should be able to be bought at the corner store That paint thinner thing was riduclous...people dont drink it cus it will kill you..end of story...not cus they can get high and maybe die...it is a fact that if u drink paint thinner u are going to die...drugs are different...people take them to get high and MAY or MAY NOT die from the effects...that depends..

well so what about precrips...they arre still abused more than YOU apparently know. e has NO benefits as a precription drug, only as a treatment substance with COUNSELING...

i figured you would call the paint thinner thing rediculous. 1 non applicable statement compared to many propaganda-ish figures doesnt worry me much. they point is that people arent as stupid as you want to believe if it will kill you, people will avoid it, or at least be careful. anything and everything will kill you in the end, its just how you deal with your own shit. the best way to do this is by helping others, not telling people what they should be doing...late/

well the paint thinner thing made no sense....people tkae drugs to get high and have fun or experience good feelings or cus they like the taste of the drug....they dotn say hey let me take this drug even thought it is a fact it will kill me..like paint thinner...sorry

and aslong as kids keep dying from drugs and crimes keep getting committed cus ofdrugs then the government needs to keep acting on it....or maybe we should jus let people run wild in the streets doing as they please and abolish all laws..theres an idea u all might like....

Yea, I too got a little upset when i saw that add. I have noticed that there are a coupple of different ones out now. It is a stupid add, but I don't let it bother me...I know the truth hahaha

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